[W:257] Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

[CLAX1911]

Re: Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

Don't want to hurt anybodies feelings.

okay that came off a little more raw that I expected it to and you didn't hurt my feelings.

It's just that I want you to understand that it was different for you. Then it was for me. That your experience of thinking about or even fantasizing or even going through with experimenting with other men or boys depending on your age is not really comparable.

Let me just say this....regarding the Lord Jesus, He wants you to come to Him just the way you are. I don't think we have talked about Him yet.

Well I agree completely. And I did. It was over something completely unrelated to this.

He will not judge you, He will accept you for you are as you are. The rest you two can work it out as you go.

I agree again completely. Christ always identified with the sinners. I think he and I we were made for one another.

I am not saying you, but I hope no one uses being Gay as an excuse not to come to Christ and ask Him to be your Lord and Savior. It is God's will for all to come to Him. Thank you for the amazing insight.

well I'm a little worried that opening up like I did might have been taken the wrong way. I didn't do it to make you feel bad or even call you out I have a lot of respect for you as a poster. I said what I said to give you an insight a lot of people won't talk this way these things make people feel bad. I fancy myself a pretty strong person and I am very blunt if you can't tell lol because I want the truth.

So I hope it didn't come off as a lecture it really felt like I was lecturing you. I certainly didn't mean it that way. When I open up it's hard to turn it off.

 

[CLAX1911]

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This is a promise from God to all of us.

1 Corinthians 10:13 (KJV)

13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

He knows we think of things like homosexual lust among other things, that's not a sin. He has a way to help us.

I think his way of helping me was coming to terms with it. Because after I did my cup runneth over not with Earthly Delights but meaningful what I consider a Godly gifts.

 

[Davey]

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okay that came off a little more raw that I expected it to and you didn't hurt my feelings.

It's just that I want you to understand that it was different for you. Then it was for me. That your experience of thinking about or even fantasizing or even going through with experimenting with other men or boys depending on your age is not really comparable.


Well I agree completely. And I did. It was over something completely unrelated to this.

I agree again completely. Christ always identified with the sinners. I think he and I we were made for one another.

well I'm a little worried that opening up like I did might have been taken the wrong way. I didn't do it to make you feel bad or even call you out I have a lot of respect for you as a poster. I said what I said to give you an insight a lot of people won't talk this way these things make people feel bad. I fancy myself a pretty strong person and I am very blunt if you can't tell lol because I want the truth.

So I hope it didn't come off as a lecture it really felt like I was lecturing you. I certainly didn't mean it that way. When I open up it's hard to turn it off.

I hung on every word, no offense taken in any of it. Don't look now but I opened up a tad bit myself. Yes that was me being open lol

 

[Logician Man]

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I think his way of helping me was coming to terms with it. Because after I did my cup runneth over not with Earthly Delights but meaningful what I consider a Godly gifts.

Hi Clax.I'm just glad you came to accept yourself as your are and am still with us. I've known too many homosexuals who succombed to religious bigotry and societal pressure and bigotry who decided it was better to off themselves rather than be subjected to stupid persecution from those who have no clue about homosexuality. Kudos to you for being so open and honest.

 

[lurchadams]

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Any body who disagrees with you has a narrow view? That's not true. I just ask they quit acting like savages, and go somewhere private. How is that a narrow view? I think your rigid beliefs has distorted your view, cloaked in false righteousness.

What's your native language? This is not an insult, I'm truly curious.

 

[Davey]

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What's your native language? This is not an insult, I'm truly curious.

Hebrew. What's yours?

 

[OscarLevant]

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That is the dumbest post anyone has ever posted on here. The first words in the Christian Bible is 'in the beginning God... Christians also believe in eternal life with God in Heaven.

Please explain your reasoning and how you came to this ridiculous conclusion?

I wrote:

The mind cannot fathom infinity, that life has no beginning and end.

which is why the mind would invent the idea of God, as the creator of the Universe and that there is a beginning and an end.

see? it is BECAUSE the mind can't fathom infinity, nor that life is a mystery, so, voila, it creates a religion, god, heaven, hell, judgement day, and all of the ancient myths that have been handed down over thousands of years, which found their way into the Bible.

Religion is evidence that the mind cannot stand mystery, can't stand the fact that he is a mere animal, that there is no one watching over to make sure he does good or he will go to hell, he needs such things in order to tame the beast, so to speak.

So it fills the void with something it can understand, and the only thing that makes sense to a primitive mind is a God, as creator, heaven, hell, judgement day, moral stories etc all of which are being used to control populations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_comparative_mythology

Not everyone needs to believe in such things, we are free from this need, and we are free from control, we are free.

One person's ridiculous is another's epiphany. It all depends on where you live, how you live, your nature, your need.

Are you a crawfish, or a flying fish, something in between, or a barnacle needing to rest upon another for sustenence?

Hmmm?

 

[lurchadams]

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Hebrew. What's yours?

English. Thanks.

 

[Davey]

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I wrote:


which is why the mind would invent the idea of God, as the creator of the Universe and that there is a beginning and an end.

see? it is BECAUSE the mind can't fathom infinity, nor that life is a mystery, so, voila, it creates a religion, god, heaven, hell, judgement day, and all of the ancient myths that have been handed down over thousands of years, which found their way into the Bible.

Religion is evidence that the mind cannot stand mystery, can't stand the fact that he is a mere animal, that there is no one watching over to make sure he does good or he will go to hell, he needs such things in order to tame the beast, so to speak.

So it fills the void with something it can understand, and the only thing that makes sense to a primitive mind is a God, as creator, heaven, hell, judgement day, moral stories etc all of which are being used to control populations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_comparative_mythology

Not everyone needs to believe in such things, we are free from this need, and we are free from control, we are free.

One person's ridiculous is another's epiphany. It all depends on where you live, how you live, your nature, your need.

Are you a crawfish, or a flying fish, something in between, or a barnacle needing to rest upon another for sustenence?

Hmmm?

I'll have what you're smoking.

 

[CLAX1911]

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I hung on every word, no offense taken in any of it. Don't look now but I opened up a tad bit myself. Yes that was me being open lol

That's good, its a subject that I try not to talk about much.

 

[soylentgreen]

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Liar. First thing I said was God loves Gays but hates the sin of homosexual activity. If anyone says the Bible says differently, they are wrong.

About as useless a statement as my saying atheists hate christianity and not the christian.

All you are doing here is trying to push a lie that the two are separate. It is not what your bible says. Anyone can use that book to justify murder or an act of kindness. You are simply using it to justify your personal prejudice.

 

[CLAX1911]

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Hi Clax.I'm just glad you came to accept yourself as your are and am still with us. I've known too many homosexuals who succombed to religious bigotry and societal pressure and bigotry who decided it was better to off themselves rather than be subjected to stupid persecution from those who have no clue about homosexuality. Kudos to you for being so open and honest.

Yeah it's a shame that people are done that way. It's hard to come back from. It wasn't easy.

 

[Logician Man]

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Yeah it's a shame that people are done that way. It's hard to come back from. It wasn't easy.

It's a shame anyone should have to come back from being themselves at all,as long as they are harming no one.

 

[soylentgreen]

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Gods words are what they are and not mine for interpretation. Homosexuality is declared sinful both in the Old and New Testament. You know this.

I guess the question I would have for you is do you believe in God and Christ? If the answer is yes and you choose worldly pursuits you embody the comments you initially cited in James 4. If the answer is no...you still do, but shouldn’t have a care in the world.

Please know...I’m not condemning you or judging you. I haven’t made a personal attack in any of these discussions. But you can’t pretend things are something they are not, just because you want it to be different, and have any credibility.


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Of course they are there for you to interpret. that is all that can be done with that book. You know it is declared a sin. What i know is that there are christians who welcome homosexuality and even believe they should marry and be allowed to become parents. They see no sin at all. So really it is just one christians view against another.

It matters not what i am. But for the record i am an atheist and can also be an anti theist.

And no i do not see it as a personal attack. I understand that you are seeing this from the perspective of one who believes they are right because their interpretation is the correct one. However the westminster baptists who wave signs saying god hates gay are just as convinced that their view is the only correct view. just as the christians who welcome gays and who are themselves gay see no sin in it.

There is no one correct opinion. Belief in a god is merely a reflection of your own inner self not what is written in a book.

 

[VanceMack]

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Of course they are there for you to interpret. that is all that can be done with that book. You know it is declared a sin. What i know is that there are christians who welcome homosexuality and even believe they should marry and be allowed to become parents. They see no sin at all. So really it is just one christians view against another.

It matters not what i am. But for the record i am an atheist and can also be an anti theist.

And no i do not see it as a personal attack. I understand that you are seeing this from the perspective of one who believes they are right because their interpretation is the correct one. However the westminster baptists who wave signs saying god hates gay are just as convinced that their view is the only correct view. just as the christians who welcome gays and who are themselves gay see no sin in it.

There is no one correct opinion. Belief in a god is merely a reflection of your own inner self not what is written in a book.

One of the problems the world has is that too many people rationalize sinful behavior rather than accept the Word. You have the right to believe what you want to believe...but...well...you know. You cited it.

 

[Davey]

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I wrote:


which is why the mind would invent the idea of God, as the creator of the Universe and that there is a beginning and an end.

see? it is BECAUSE the mind can't fathom infinity, nor that life is a mystery, so, voila, it creates a religion, god, heaven, hell, judgement day, and all of the ancient myths that have been handed down over thousands of years, which found their way into the Bible.

Religion is evidence that the mind cannot stand mystery, can't stand the fact that he is a mere animal, that there is no one watching over to make sure he does good or he will go to hell, he needs such things in order to tame the beast, so to speak.

So it fills the void with something it can understand, and the only thing that makes sense to a primitive mind is a God, as creator, heaven, hell, judgement day, moral stories etc all of which are being used to control populations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_comparative_mythology

Not everyone needs to believe in such things, we are free from this need, and we are free from control, we are free.

One person's ridiculous is another's epiphany. It all depends on where you live, how you live, your nature, your need.

Are you a crawfish, or a flying fish, something in between, or a barnacle needing to rest upon another for sustenence?

Hmmm?

Dude, you say the mind can't fathom infinity. What is eternity? We believe in eternity. Your babel in mindless dude.

 

[CLAX1911]

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It's a shame anyone should have to come back from being themselves at all,as long as they are harming no one.

Like I said most of my issue was internal.

 

[OscarLevant]

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I'll have what you're smoking.

I know it's over your head, but that's okay

 

[OscarLevant]

Re: Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

Dude, you say the mind can't fathom infinity. What is eternity? We believe in eternity. Your babel in mindless dude.

Investigation what I'm saying is that the Mind cannot fathom the mystery so it creates a God as creator of the universe.

 

[soylentgreen]

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One of the problems the world has is that too many people rationalize sinful behavior rather than accept the Word. You have the right to believe what you want to believe...but...well...you know. You cited it.

Rather some people are beginning to understand that the "word" is nothing more than some one like you insisting they know what it is. You have a right to believe what you want but unless it agrees with your version of the word then you are believing the wrong thing.

 

[VanceMack]

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Rather some people are beginning to understand that the "word" is nothing more than some one like you insisting they know what it is. You have a right to believe what you want but unless it agrees with your version of the word then you are believing the wrong thing.

No...some people are becoming more corrupt and substituting their own definitions. There is no vague ambiguity in the doctrine, no matter how much you want it to be the case.

 

[Logician Man]

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No...some people are becoming more corrupt and substituting their own definitions. There is no vague ambiguity in the doctrine, no matter how much you want it to be the case.

Of course there is vague ambiguity in the doctrine.That is why there are so many different interpretations and denominations which often end up with Christians attacking other Christians to the point of condemning each other to a hell for eternity.We see that occurring in this very forum on a daily basis.

 

[Davey]

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Investigation what I'm saying is that the Mind cannot fathom the mystery so it creates a God as creator of the universe.

That's not what you said!! You said the mind can not fathom infinity, then when I challenged you, you changed it to the mind can not fathom the mystery!

Your conviction is weak, so is your bable. Get a solid outlook and then come back and sell it.

 

[Davey]

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Of course there is vague ambiguity in the doctrine.That is why there are so many different interpretations and denominations which often end up with Christians attacking other Christians to the point of condemning each other to a hell for eternity.We see that occurring in this very forum on a daily basis.

Don't clump JW's with Christian. They believe the only way to Heaven is you must go knock on doors and give witness to Jehovah. Christians believe in Jesus as Lord and Savior and that is the way to Heaven.

Big difference between the two.

 

[OscarLevant]

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That's not what you said!! You said the mind can not fathom infinity, then when I challenged you, you changed it to the mind can not fathom the mystery!

Your conviction is weak, so is your bable. Get a solid outlook and then come back and sell it.

I was talking about the mystery of life, and to solve it God ( and all the associations that go with it, I just dished you up a slice ) is invented as a solution to the mystery.

Focus on that. Look, arguing about such things is a fools errand. If you like the Bible, that works for you, go for it. It's just not for me.