[W:212,493] Another MAGA hat attack, this time 4 arrested

[haymarket]

Sorry, but I don't deal with fantasies.

I deal with reality. And reality is Trump is the key part of this equation. Take Trump out of it and there are no MAGA hats to anger anyone.

 

[haymarket]

How about we remove wack-brained liberals from the equation?

It is Trump who is the cause of all this.

 

[dirtpoorchris]

It is Trump who is the cause of all this.

Trump has nothing to do with a leftists getting pissed and assaulting an innocent person just because of their hat. The hate all resides in the heart of the assaulting leftist. Thats a pretty convoluted way to get revenge on the President.

 

[tres borrachos]

Really? That's what you have?

Nidal Hassan was a Muslim extremist.

Aaron Alexis was mentally ill, with a history of losing his temper. Again, the shooting was not ideologically motivated.

Seung-Hui Cho, again, a history of mental illness. According to reports, the first person he shot was a girl who he felt had rejected him. Again, no ideological motive, nothing to do with being left or right.

James Holmes was a psychiatric patient of the medical director of Anschutz's Student Mental Health Services, an actual mental patient. Again, no political motive. Look at any pucture of him ... it's obvious he's nuts.

Amy Bishop was pissed off because she wasn't granted tenure. She even wrote an unpublished novel in which the main character was a woman struggling with suicidal thoughts at the threat of not earning tenure. I found nothing about her to bear out your "rabid leftist" claim, so you would have to prove that. She was another nut case, and that was not her first shooting, either. In 1986, she shot and killed her brother in an incident officially ruled an accident. She was also questioned, along with her husband, after a 1993 pipe-bomb incident directed toward her lab supervisor. Again, not a leftist related crime.

Andrew J. Stack, I'll give you that one, but be honest: who doesn't feel like sticking it to the IRS now and then?

Jared Loughner is schizophrenic, ffs. Not even competent to stand trial. What makes you think he was a leftist?

The Columbine shooters were kids. I don't see how their parents' party affiliation figures into it. Their reasons for their rampage had nothing to do with ideology, it was about being bullied by the school jocks and getting revenge.

As for Ayers, I'll give you that one, too, but with the caveat that killing was not intentional ... he and his idiot cohorts thought the building was empty.

For everyone dead at the hands of people you're CLAIMING are leftists (most of whom were not), I can give you tit for tat on dozens killed by rabid righties who wrote right wing manifestos about their views. Do you really want to indulge in dick waving on this? Because even though I'm a woman, I'm guessing mine is bigger than yours.

Epic fail.

:failpail:

Seriously, dude, don't you know by now that I know how to look stuff up and come back at ya?

Actually, what he "has" is a list of lies. As another poster pointed out to him. I pointed out the lie of only one on his list, Seung-Hui Cho, who was not a US citizen and was not registered to vote, and even if he was, he would be registered as a Democrat because Fairfax County doesn't register its voters by political party.

His list was that of another Trump supporter getting duped by a meme that was false. Happens all the time these days.

 

[Fishking]

It is Trump who is the cause of all this.

Yes...I'm aware of that particular lie that you're trying to push. I've dismantled and dismissed it multiple times now.

 

[RedAkston]

You miss the point that it is Trump who is at the center of all this. Remove him from the equation and you have no offensive MAGA hats.

If anyone is offended by a MAGA hat, they're pathetic and weak. There seem to be an awful lot of pathetic and weak folks left of center. Just an observation.

 

[ocean515]

There is no such thing as the only authorized clothing and symbols.

I will be 70 in a couple of months. When I was a teen ager I learned a lesson the hard way. I had an old car driving to college and it had lots of anti-war bumper stickers on it. In the middle of nowhere a copy ticketed me for a minor driving infraction. I was indignant and complained about it to my father who informed me of something...... "when you wear a target, don't be surprised when people shoot at it".

Made sense then and it makes sense now with the MAGA hats.

How can you make that claim when you've said a MAGA hat makes someone a target.

Un-authorized apparel.

You will be attacked because "we" have decided you and your freedom of expression is not worthy of existing.


Zig Heil Haymarket!

 

[ajn678]

I've lost count of the hypocrites on this thread.

Get a grip, you knuckle-dragging, holier-than-thou righties. Stupid kids harrassing MAGA hat wearers is nothing. Your outrage is ridiculous in light of the FACT that right wing terrorism is now the biggest threat to our safety and security. These leftist idiots didn't carry AR-15s and spray bullets among inmocent people in houses of peaceful worship. Only the righties do that. Where is your outrage towards them? Where is your strongly worded condemnation? All I see here is the righties trying to play the victim card, and at least one neanderthal claiming that he would have punched that girl in the face.

You. Do. Not. Have. The. Moral. High. Ground.

Not even close.

No one on this site right or left condones the actions of White Nationalists when they commit violent acts. Many, many people here on the left condone or attempt to excuse away when things like this happen.

 

[ajn678]

Really? That's what you have?

Nidal Hassan was a Muslim extremist.

Aaron Alexis was mentally ill, with a history of losing his temper. Again, the shooting was not ideologically motivated.

Seung-Hui Cho, again, a history of mental illness. According to reports, the first person he shot was a girl who he felt had rejected him. Again, no ideological motive, nothing to do with being left or right.

James Holmes was a psychiatric patient of the medical director of Anschutz's Student Mental Health Services, an actual mental patient. Again, no political motive. Look at any pucture of him ... it's obvious he's nuts.

Amy Bishop was pissed off because she wasn't granted tenure. She even wrote an unpublished novel in which the main character was a woman struggling with suicidal thoughts at the threat of not earning tenure. I found nothing about her to bear out your "rabid leftist" claim, so you would have to prove that. She was another nut case, and that was not her first shooting, either. In 1986, she shot and killed her brother in an incident officially ruled an accident. She was also questioned, along with her husband, after a 1993 pipe-bomb incident directed toward her lab supervisor. Again, not a leftist related crime.

Andrew J. Stack, I'll give you that one, but be honest: who doesn't feel like sticking it to the IRS now and then?

Jared Loughner is schizophrenic, ffs. Not even competent to stand trial. What makes you think he was a leftist?

The Columbine shooters were kids. I don't see how their parents' party affiliation figures into it. Their reasons for their rampage had nothing to do with ideology, it was about being bullied by the school jocks and getting revenge.

As for Ayers, I'll give you that one, too, but with the caveat that killing was not intentional ... he and his idiot cohorts thought the building was empty.

For everyone dead at the hands of people you're CLAIMING are leftists (most of whom were not), I can give you tit for tat on dozens killed by rabid righties who wrote right wing manifestos about their views. Do you really want to indulge in dick waving on this? Because even though I'm a woman, I'm guessing mine is bigger than yours.

Epic fail.

:failpail:

Seriously, dude, don't you know by now that I know how to look stuff up and come back at ya?

I assume you don't think the shooters on the right were also mentally disturbed? Seems to be based on your post.

 

[Luckyone]

If 60% of the population are assaulting people, I certainly hope so.

If Trump wins in 2020, consider it a given.

Let me give you an example.

Venezuela has a dictator in Maduro and they have tried everything to get him out and have been so far unsuccessful. Their Congress has declared him not to be the President any more and the next man in line for the Presidency is Guido and he has been declared Interim President. Most of the countries have declared Guido the President, with the exception of (of course) Russia, China, North Korea, Syria and Libya.

The population has been against Maduro from the very beginning, especially after he won the last election in a rigged way and many people have been jailed or killed under the guise of "it is against the law". It has gotten to the place where the only way to get Maduro out is to storm the President's house and either kill him or take him to justice but thousands would likely be killed in such an attempt.

The reality is that Maduro is evil and has done nothing for the population other than to help those that are with him (much like Trump is doing".

So when you say that if 60% of the population are assaulting the Trump people, I say "it needs to be done to get that madman out of office, much like is happening in Venezuela".

The argument you may give here is that we are nowhere near the kind of things that are happening in Venezuela, but I say to you that 6 years ago when Maduro took office things were very much like they are here now and it regressed to where they are now. I have a strong feeling that in 2020 if Trump loses the election, you are going to see him try to do what Maduro did and ultimately 60% of the population may need to get involved to get him out of office.

It is not beyond reason to think this is a viable outcome. Already, Trump is refusing to follow the Constitution and its laws and already telling his people to break the law. He is definitely heading in the direction that Maduro took, who ultimately changed the Constitution to where the laws that governed that country for decades and even centuries were axed. Trump is trying to do that here.

 

[ajn678]

If Trump wins in 2020, consider it a given.

Let me give you an example.

Venezuela has a dictator in Maduro and they have tried everything to get him out and have been so far unsuccessful. Their Congress has declared him not to be the President any more and the next man in line for the Presidency is Guido and he has been declared Interim President. Most of the countries have declared Guido the President, with the exception of (of course) Russia, China, North Korea, Syria and Libya.

The population has been against Maduro from the very beginning, especially after he won the last election in a rigged way and many people have been jailed or killed under the guise of "it is against the law". It has gotten to the place where the only way to get Maduro out is to storm the President's house and either kill him or take him to justice but thousands would likely be killed in such an attempt.

The reality is that Maduro is evil and has done nothing for the population other than to help those that are with him (much like Trump is doing".

So when you say that if 60% of the population are assaulting the Trump people, I say "it needs to be done to get that madman out of office, much like is happening in Venezuela".

The argument you may give here is that we are nowhere near the kind of things that are happening in Venezuela, but I say to you that 6 years ago when Maduro took office things were very much like they are here now and it regressed to where they are now. I have a strong feeling that in 2020 if Trump loses the election, you are going to see him try to do what Maduro did and ultimately 60% of the population may need to get involved to get him out of office.

It is not beyond reason to think this is a viable outcome. Already, Trump is refusing to follow the Constitution and its laws and already telling his people to break the law. He is definitely heading in the direction that Maduro took, who ultimately changed the Constitution to where the laws that governed that country for decades and even centuries were axed. Trump is trying to do that here.

The situations couldn't be further apart. More absolute hysteria that a rational person laughs at when people like you try to equate Trump with Hitler, Maduro, etc.

 

[Luckyone]

If anyone is offended by a MAGA hat, they're pathetic and weak. There seem to be an awful lot of pathetic and weak folks left of center. Just an observation.

Based on your post, the hat below would not bother you, would it?

 

[RedAkston]

Based on your post, the hat below would not bother you, would it?

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Not at all. Why would a slogan on a hat offend anyone?

 

[haymarket]

Trump has nothing to do with a leftists getting pissed and assaulting an innocent person just because of their hat. The hate all resides in the heart of the assaulting leftist. Thats a pretty convoluted way to get revenge on the President.

No Trump = no MAGA hats = no incident. It all comes back to Trump.

 

[haymarket]

Yes...I'm aware of that particular lie that you're trying to push. I've dismantled and dismissed it multiple times now.

No Trump = no MAGA hats = no incident. It all comes back to Trump.

 

[haymarket]

If anyone is offended by a MAGA hat, they're pathetic and weak. There seem to be an awful lot of pathetic and weak folks left of center. Just an observation.

Your opinion of those people is irrelevant. They are offended and have a right to be offended.

 

[haymarket]

How can you make that claim when you've said a MAGA hat makes someone a target.

Un-authorized apparel.

You will be attacked because "we" have decided you and your freedom of expression is not worthy of existing.


Zig Heil Haymarket!

Keep your Nazi talk for your own kind. Those are not my opinions - but yours.

 

[Luckyone]

The situations couldn't be further apart. More absolute hysteria that a rational person laughs at when people like you try to equate Trump with Hitler, Maduro, etc.

One thing is for sure regarding comparing him to those people. None of them care one iota about others, about the law, and about who they hurt.

If you can show me one thing that Trump has done that negates my statement about caring about people, about the law, and about who they hurt, I may give you a point.

Whether he does what those other two did, is a question mark. Nonetheless, from the point of view of him being a sociopath (proven as he has all the characteristics of being one), there is no doubt about his ability to get to where those two got. A lot of things have to happen for that to happen, starting with the fact that neither Germany nor Venezuela had the kind of government/laws/Constitution and checks and balances that we have so it may not get that bad. Nonetheless, from a character point of view, he is the same as those two.

 

[Fledermaus]

Keep your Nazi talk for your own kind. Those are not my opinions - but yours.

Accusing people of being Nazis simply because they disagree with you....

Not kosher.

 

[Luckyone]

Not at all. Why would a slogan on a hat offend anyone?

I gather you are not religious, are you?

 

[Fishking]

No Trump = no MAGA hats = no incident. It all comes back to Trump.

No wacko leftists, no incident. It all goes back to wacko leftists. You see, if there was no MAGA hat there'd still be wacko leftists pitching a fit about something. We see many examples of this.

 

[RedAkston]

Your opinion of those people is irrelevant. They are offended and have a right to be offended.

It's one thing to be offended, it's something else entirely to steal another person's property or assault them because they're offended. If you aren't able to make this distinction then you have no business being a part of this discussion.

 

[RedAkston]

I gather you are not religious, are you?

Actually I am. I'm also a huge supporter of the right to free speech. The slogan on the hat you posted doesn't nor should it offend me. I'm not a mentally unstable person who is so pathetically weak that words on a hat could send me off the deep end.

 

[Sabre]

I gather you are not religious, are you?

What in the words 'Make America Great Again' is religious?

 

[haymarket]

No wacko leftists, no incident. It all goes back to wacko leftists. You see, if there was no MAGA hat there'd still be wacko leftists pitching a fit about something. We see many examples of this.

No Trump = no MAGA hats = no incident.