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[W:183]Let's have a real discussion about abortion

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Northam on Abortion Bill: Infant Could Be Delivered and Then 'Physicians and the Mother' Could Decide If It Lives

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NBC4 reporter Julie Carey asked Northam about the measure.

"Do you support her measure and explain her answer?" Carey asked.

"I wasn't there, Julie. And I certainly can't speak for delegate Tran. But I would tell you one, the first think I would say, this is why decisions such as this should be made by providers, physicians, and the mothers and fathers that are involved," Northam said. "When we talk about third trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of obviously the mother, with the consent of the physicians, more than one physician by the way. And it is done in cases where there may be severe deformities, there may be a fetus that is non-viable."

Northam continued by saying government shouldn't be involved in these types of decisions and that legislators, especially male legislators, shouldn't be telling women what to do.

"I think this was really blown out of proportion. But again we want the government not to be involved in these types of decisions. We want the decision to be made by the mothers and their providers. And this is why Julie, that legislators, most of whom are men by the way, shouldn't be telling a woman what she should or shouldn't be doing with her body," Northam said.

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Point out where anyone asserted that a baby would be murdered (because that is what it would be) by anyone involved.

You can’t because it never was a part of the proposed bill and was never considered.

STOP LYING
 
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Don't you just hate it when a poster edits your words for not other reason than to change the meaning and then presents them as if not changes have been made?
The intent/meaning of your words have not been altered. My response stands as is.
 
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Regardless of whether or not you feel there is not such thing as post birth abortion, Gov. Northam apparently DOES think that post Birth Abortion is a thing and that it needs to be available legally.

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NBC4 reporter Julie Carey asked Northam about the measure.

"Do you support her measure and explain her answer?" Carey asked.

"I wasn't there, Julie. And I certainly can't speak for delegate Tran. But I would tell you one, the first think I would say, this is why decisions such as this should be made by providers, physicians, and the mothers and fathers that are involved," Northam said. "When we talk about third trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of obviously the mother, with the consent of the physicians, more than one physician by the way. And it is done in cases where there may be severe deformities, there may be a fetus that is non-viable."

Northam continued by saying government shouldn't be involved in these types of decisions and that legislators, especially male legislators, shouldn't be telling women what to do.

"I think this was really blown out of proportion. But again we want the government not to be involved in these types of decisions. We want the decision to be made by the mothers and their providers. And this is why Julie, that legislators, most of whom are men by the way, shouldn't be telling a woman what she should or shouldn't be doing with her body," Northam said.

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There is nothing in there about so called "post birth abortion". Why are you lying?
 
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Given this statement, your understanding of morality is vacant and free of either understanding or logic.

Please explain the morality of killing a born child who is kept "comfortable" in Virginia while a discussion proceeds on whether or not it should be put to death.

Please explain to Vegas where you get the lies about Virginia's abortion law from.
 
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Please explain to Vegas where you get the lies about Virginia's abortion law from.

He was totally schooled on this months ago so he knows he's wrong. He's just stretching his 'self-righteous outrage' muscles. He's never been able to show anything about 'post-abortion' anything. And he claims that it's different from the choices parents have now for palliative care or extreme measures for a newborn with severe health damage. And yet...he cant articulate that 'difference.'
 
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God I hope a mother and doctor could decide to end the life of a newborn that was terminally ill and suffering with horrific deformities.

Why?.
 
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Because only a monster would be against that

Or someone who doesn't think someone with a strong emotional involvement should make those kinds of decisions.
 
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life or death decisions should never be based on them.
You’re wrong. Happens that way all the time. Thankfully.
 
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Or someone who doesn't think someone with a strong emotional involvement should make those kinds of decisions.

I think doctors can be very rational in such areas.


Conservative politicians though get very emotional in this area
 
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life or death decisions should never be based on them.

Then keep them away from politicians
 
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life or death decisions should never be based on them.

What did you base your opinion on? You questioned it, so why wouldnt you agree with that?
 
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This article perfectly explains the logic from both sides and how Virginia's gpvernor, Raph Northam, and the bill's sponsor, Kathy Tran, have been confusing people. I assume anti-choicers conveniently ignore these facts:

HB 2491 would not actually change the time limit for receiving an abortion in Virginia, Elizabeth Nash, senior state issues manager for the Guttmacher Institute, told Vox. It would change the number of physicians required for approval, and broaden the health circumstances under which an abortion would be allowed.

Situations in which a woman seeks an abortion when she is ready to give birth are incredibly uncommon, Nash said. Ninety-two percent of all abortions in America happen in the first trimester, according to Planned Parenthood. Only 1.4 percent of abortions happen at 21 weeks’ gestation or beyond, according to the organization — the third trimester begins at around 28 weeks.

Virginia abortion bill: controversy around Ralph Northam comments - Vox
 
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I think doctors can be very rational in such areas.


Conservative politicians though get very emotional in this area

My experience as a football coach has led me to not trust doctors.
 
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My experience as a football coach has led me to not trust doctors.

Then when you get sick....call nick saban
 
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What did you base your opinion on? You questioned it, so why wouldnt you agree with that?

life and death decisions should be made as cold bloodedly as humanly possible.
 
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life and death decisions should be made as cold bloodedly as humanly possible.

So if you are sick....you want a politician to decide on your treatment
 
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God I hope a mother and doctor could decide to end the life of a newborn that was terminally ill and suffering with horrific deformities.

Only a monster would be against that
life and death decisions should be made as cold bloodedly as humanly possible.

So then why did you object to ending the life of the suffering and terminal newborn?
 
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life and death decisions should be made as cold bloodedly as humanly possible.
So, you are in favour of abortion then?
 
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I can't believe someone actually mentioned football in a thread that is 100% about WOMEN and UNBORN humans.

That kind of post is exactly why I started this thread. Whenever you read such crap, put the poster on your ignore list.
 
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I can't believe someone actually mentioned football in a thread that is 100% about WOMEN and UNBORN humans.

That kind of post is exactly why I started this thread. Whenever you read such crap, put the poster on your ignore list.

You don't even want to know how my experience as a football coach (along with secondary social studies and middle school science teacher) led me to not trust doctors.

guess you really have no interest in "real discussion".
 
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So, you are in favor of abortion then?

Dayton is one of the strongest abortion opponents on DP and totally incapable of communicating any type of argument to support his opinions. He and Robert are very similar.
 
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I can't believe someone actually mentioned football in a thread that is 100% about WOMEN and UNBORN humans.

That kind of post is exactly why I started this thread. Whenever you read such crap, put the poster on your ignore list.

Can you PLEASE quote what you are referring to when you post? Or the person you are responding to? It's very simple to do.
 
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