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[W:171]FBI chief Wray refutes Barr, says no 'spying' on Trump campaign

SLC said:
:lol: Such a weak come back on your part.
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Trading posts with haymarket is like participating in a Pee Wee Herman comedy routine.

It's amazing the he just doesn't seem to realize what's happening.

 
I was surprised to find out that he isn’t a young kid.
 
code1211 said:
I wonder if words feel wasted when you use them...
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Why do you wonder about your own word usage? I would think by this time you have it figured out.
 
joko104 said:
Any surveillance of another person without the person's knowledge is "spying." Whether it is legal or not is a different question. Everyone knows that is the meaning of that word.

At not time has Barr said there was illegal spying. That is appears to be something he is investigating - and Democrats in Congress are committing every crime they can think of to try to stop him.
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They're just upset because they're innocent.

Like trump was when he was obstructing. It was OK because his feelings were hurt because he was innocent.
 
code1211 said:
The intent was to damage Trump.

There was no crime to investigate. Therefore this was a counter intelligence operation. Given these two obvious truths, what was happening was spying.

The facade of the counter intelligence is now said to have been to determine the extent of Russian involvement and yet no Defensive Briefing was provided to the Trump Campaign.

Obviously, lacking the Defensive Briefing, this was an operation AGAINST the Trump Campaign.

There is NO other way to view this. If there had been a Defensive Briefing provided AS WAS DONE WITH DIANE FEINSTEIN, A DEMOCRAT, there could be some wiggle room. There was not. This was spying with malice aforethought.

Proceeding forward from this obvious truth, we may properly assume the following:

The Obama Administration's Dirty Cops named Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, Brennan, Clapper and several others conspired to interfere in the Election of the US President and then conspired to undermine his authority and administration following the election.
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That's an absolute lie. The Trump campaign was given at least two defensive briefings by the FBI and at neither one of them, or there afterwards, did they inform the FBI that the kind of the approaches as described by the FBI that hostile foreign powers such as Russia typically utilize to penetrate or influence political campaigns had ALREADY occurred. Even now President Trump STILL refuses to acknowledge the fact that it did occur. Which will make it hard to defend against the next Russian attack, that is certain to occur because last one in 2016 succeeded beyond their wildest dreams, when our Commander in Chief refuses to acknowledge that we had even been attacked by Russia. Maybe he's relying on getting Putin's help again.
 
What if...? said:
They're just upset because they're innocent.

Like trump was when he was obstructing. It was OK because his feelings were hurt because he was innocent.
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We don’t know if they are innocent or not. Unless you know something that Barr doesn’t? That is why Barr is investigating. I suspect Barr knows more about it than he is saying at this point because he has been meeting with the IG.
 
Atomic Kid said:
That's an absolute lie. The Trump campaign was given at least two defensive briefings by the FBI and at neither one of them, or there afterwards, did they inform the FBI that the kind of the approaches as described by the FBI that hostile foreign powers such as Russia typically utilize to penetrate or influence political campaigns had ALREADY occurred. Even now President Trump STILL refuses to acknowledge the fact that it did occur. Which will make it hard to defend against the next Russian attack, that is certain to occur because last one in 2016 succeeded beyond their wildest dreams, when our Commander in Chief refuses to acknowledge that we had even been attacked by Russia. Maybe he's relying on getting Putin's help again.
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The FBI DID NOT give Trump a DEFENSIVE briefing the gave him the same briefing they give every candidate but it wasn’t a defensive briefing like they gave Fienstein. In a defensive briefing the FBI goes over specific concerns that apply . The briefing that Trump received was a non specific general warning that all candidates receive. So stop lying and saying the FBI gave Trump a defensive briefing because they didn’t.
 
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Xelor said:
Off-topic:



Red:
Say what? Are you asserting/positing the FBI engaged Russian (or other) state actors (SAs) to go to or dwell in various non-US countries and await Trump campaign personnel's (TCP's) appearance there, whereupon the SAs would, at the FBI's behest spy on the TCP present there?​
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Xelor, you should have replied to dixon01767, he won't see this reply to him as it was replied to me, eh?
 
code1211 said:
I'm having difficulty following you down this rabbit hole.

What do you want to know from me?
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Nothing thx for asking.





code1211 said:
The intent was to damage Trump.

There was no crime to investigate. Therefore this was a counter intelligence operation. Given these two obvious truths, what was happening was spying.

The facade of the counter intelligence is now said to have been to determine the extent of Russian involvement and yet no Defensive Briefing was provided to the Trump Campaign.

Obviously, lacking the Defensive Briefing, this was an operation AGAINST the Trump Campaign.

There is NO other way to view this. If there had been a Defensive Briefing provided AS WAS DONE WITH DIANE FEINSTEIN, A DEMOCRAT, there could be some wiggle room. There was not. This was spying with malice aforethought.

Proceeding forward from this obvious truth, we may properly assume the following:

The Obama Administration's Dirty Cops named Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, Brennan, Clapper and several others conspired to interfere in the Election of the US President and then conspired to undermine his authority and administration following the election.
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See what I mean?
 
OscarLevant said:
Xelor, you should have replied to dixon01767, he won't see this reply to him as it was replied to me, eh?
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You were both quoted, so I think he'll see it. Does DP only notify the first person quoted in a post? I don't truly know, but I've been operating on the notion that DP notifies all quoted parties.
 
SLC said:
And your weak comeback is what it is also.:lol:
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Why should I care what you think about it? It is just you being personally insulting.
 
Xelor said:
You were both quoted, so I think he'll see it. Does DP only notify the first person quoted in a post? I don't truly know, but I've been operating on the notion that DP notifies all quoted parties.
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I dont do notifications. Ezra Turk who accompanied Stefan Halper posing as a research assistant from Cambridge University. And is suspected that Joseph Misfud was in on it as well.
 
OscarLevant said:
Xelor, you should have replied to dixon01767, he won't see this reply to him as it was replied to me, eh?
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Well, whether he "does" notifications or not, it appears that even knowing the question was directed at him, he's unwilling to provide a direct answer, "yes or "no," to it.

Why am I not surprised?

dixon01767 said:
I dont do notifications. Ezra Turk who accompanied Stefan Halper posing as a research assistant from Cambridge University. And is suspected that Joseph Misfud was in on it as well.
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code1211 said:
I always consider the source.

However, more important than that is this single question: "If this is true, what else must be true?"

In the case of the intent of the Spies from US and allied nations working against the Trump Campaign, we know with absolute certainty that our Spies NEVER provided a Defensive Briefing to the Trump Campaign.

Of all of the various notions, ideas and charges made, this is one thing on which EVERYONE agrees. We know with as much certainty as can be held in this circumstance, that this one thing is "true".

We know also that in a vary similar case with the Democrat, Diane Feinstein, in the same time frame, a Defensive Briefing was provided provided. Feinstein's case was potentially far more insidiously conspiratorial.

So, if this is true, what else must be true?

Graham Writes to FBI Director Expressing Concerns About 'Double Standard' Regarding President Trump - Press Releases - United States Senator Lindsey Graham
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What, exactly, do you mean by a Defensive Briefing? I was assuming that you meant sitting him down and explaining that some of his pople were being surveilled, but maybe you mean something else? If you mean what I think you do, already asked and answered.

Calling the FBI spies when they are doing their jobs is right wing nonsense. You guys have decided what you believe, so go with that. I'm going to have to take my give-a-**** offline for you and a couple of other people here who seem to want me to explain the same things over and over.

:beatdeadhorse

And that's only when your posts make sense, which this one doesn't. I am in mourning for the lost art of proofreading.
 
SLC said:
Why is the issue of if the Russians were paid for the dirt or they gave it out of the goodness of Putin’s heart important to you? If their motive was financial gain or the desire to damage Trump it still was Russian dirt that HRC paid for. Your hair splitting over if the Russian agents were paid or did it for free is interesting. You do know for them to do it acting as a Russian agent could get them 15 years in a Russian prison.
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It isn't. It seemed to matter to you. Did you not claim that Clinton paid the Russians for dirt on Trump? I think we're having some miscommunication here.

Do you actually know who the Russians were and what dirt they had? If you mean the so-called "pee tapes," their existence has never been proven, Steele never claimed that what he was told was even believable, and most importantly, NOBODY CARES about that salacious nonsense.

So, what dirt on Trump do you mean? Most of Steele's reports have been verified, NONE of the reports have been misproven, and no one cares about those silly tapes, just like no one cares about Stormy Daniels or Karen McDougal (I may have the names wrong, but don't care enough to look them up.)

I think you misunderstand what is and is not important to me. I don't care what men like Trump do when they can't keep it zipped, I only care that they are the sort of men who have no honor and can't keep a vow. And before you start typing your "What about Bill Clinton?" yeah, him too. My nickname for him is Mr. Smarmy.

I don't care that Steele used old contacts from his covert days to get information about Trump's possible dealings in Russia, I care that Trump did, in fact, have lots of business dealings with Russians over the years, and I care that he lied about having any business there when the Trump Tower Moscow deal was still being worked on right up until the election.

I don't care that Trump's campaign officials won't be charged with conspiracy, I care that so many of them were anti-American enough to TRY. That, or they were just too stupid to understand how wrong that was.

Putin wanted Trump to be our president and pulled out all the stops to help him get there. And our response? Nuthin'. There are so many gaps in our cyber infrastructure that we could have been fixing these last two years, but Trump's administration won't allocate funding. Why would they? Who do you think will benefit if the Russians do it again?

But the real reason Trump does nothing is because his ego will not allow him to admit the likelyhood that he did not win the election on his own merit. That's even in Mueller's report ... several White House officials past and pesent made it a point to mention that Trump would speak of that often, especially the first few months.

At this point, I don't give a **** who paid for what. Trump's presidency is a darkness on the land and I'll be glad when it's over. What I want most of all is a slow news day. Remember those?
 
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SLC said:
They did but he couldn’t remember.....240 Times. I suspect he will get the opportunity to explain it again at his trial.
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What trial? Isn't that wishful thinking? Kind of like the left claiming that Trump will get impeached.

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