[W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

[Fledermaus]

re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

Dreadful , horrific , same as when other people do it.




Projection large

You were outed for your dishonesty big time in that discussion, so all's left for you to do , having refused to clarify the source (that was never Amnesty themselves ) 3 times , is to ridiculously try to project those dishonest traits onto me.........................desperate !!

I have provided documentation for human shield. You have presented your biased opinion.

So, Hamas butchering their own.

Do you know what they were convicted of?

 

[Fledermaus]

re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

Citing a source and then using the text from a different source is indeed fraudulent..............no question about it. I understand why you would just like it to disappear but them's the facts

Wrong thread.

 

[oneworld2]

re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

Fraudulently filtered? Incorrect.

And the wrong thread.

Who has claimed Hamas are the " good guys " ?

You're straw man ?

KNock yourself out with that lol

 

[oneworld2]

re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

Wrong thread.

True nonetheless

 

[oneworld2]

re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

I have provided documentation for human shield. You have presented your biased opinion.

You have provided a lot of hot air and fraudulent misrepresentations and I have , accurately , represented the work of the HR groups charged with investigating the allegations

You are not an honest broker of information and only cherry pick/misrepresent HR groups reports and ignore completely any of the things they say that put IDF actions in a bad/terrible light.

 

[Fledermaus]

re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

Who has claimed Hamas are the " good guys " ?

You're straw man ?

KNock yourself out with that lol

You have run to Hamas' defense on human shields. You must think about them as good guys.

Am I wrong?

 

[Fledermaus]

re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

You have provided a lot of hot air and fraudulent misrepresentations and I have , accurately , represented the work of the HR groups charged with investigating the allegations

You are not an honest broker of information and only cherry pick/misrepresent HR groups reports and ignore completely any of the things they say that put IDF actions in a bad/terrible light.

Wrong thread.

 

[Fledermaus]

re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

Many of these unlawful killings were publicly billed as attacks against people assisting Israel during the July and August 2014 conflict as part of an operation, codenamed “Strangling Necks”, to target “collaborators”. However, in reality, at least 16 of those executed had been in Hamas custody since before the conflict broke out. Many had been awaiting the outcome of their trials when they were taken away from prison and summarily executed.

Hamas forces also abducted, tortured or attacked members and supporters of Fatah, their main rival political organization within Gaza, including former members of the Palestinian Authority security forces.
Not a single person has been held accountable for the crimes committed by Hamas forces against Palestinians during the 2014 conflict, indicating that these crimes were either ordered or condoned by the authorities

 

[Fledermaus]

re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

Sounds like the purging of the SA by the SS in the 1930s.

 

[oneworld2]

re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

That's why Hamas and Hezbollah regularly store weapons, explosives, and other tools for terror in hospitals and schools, building bunkers for their leaders in the same hospitals and schools. We know they want to be close to the children they teach to hate.

The children don't need to be taught how to hate by Hamas , they only need to look at their own lives and the lives of every Palestinian that surrounds them to grow to hate Israelis

Just like Sitting Bull didn't have to teach Hunkpapa Lakota kids to hate white Europeans

 

[oneworld2]

re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

You have run to Hamas' defense on human shields. You must think about them as good guys.

Am I wrong?

Yep you are wrong , again , shock horror.

If Hamas were accused of cannibalism ,I would likewise dispute the claim on lack of evidence. That's not a defence , it's wanting to separate fact from fiction. You should try it yourself sometime .

There are many odious things Hamas do to Israelis and Palestinians alike that have been documented by the HR groups themselves . I did refer to this earlier but because you were so mad that the HR groups just didn't say what you claimed they said it just flew straight past you

The other thing is , the odious things Hamas do are the same odious stuff the IDF does. So on that you will probably do what you always do and defend the odious actions of the IDF whilst deplore the same odious actions if they are committed by Hamas

It's what you do and shows where you are coming from

 

[Fledermaus]

re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

Yep you are wrong , again , shock horror.

If Hamas were accused of cannibalism ,I would likewise dispute the claim on lack of evidence. That's not a defence , it's wanting to separate fact from fiction. You should try it yourself sometime .

There are many odious things Hamas do to Israelis and Palestinians alike that have been documented by the HR groups themselves . I did refer to this earlier but because you were so mad that the HR groups just didn't say what you claimed they said it just flew straight past you

The other thing is , the odious things Hamas do are the same odious stuff the IDF does. So on that you will probably do what you always do and defend the odious actions of the IDF whilst deplore the same odious actions if they are committed by Hamas

It's what you do and shows where you are coming from

Are Hamas good guys or bad guys?

 

[OldFatGuy]

re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

The children don't need to be taught how to hate by Hamas , they only need to look at their own lives and the lives of every Palestinian that surrounds them to grow to hate Israelis

Just like Sitting Bull didn't have to teach Hunkpapa Lakota kids to hate white Europeans

No, it is not the same. Those who didn't flee Israel when it was formed, with false promises of return and more land, don't hate Israel. Instead they flourish there. Many volunteering to serve in the IDF. You are a dishonest propagandist, a fomenter of hate, and terror. Children are born without hate in their hearts, only trust of adults, all adults and have to be taught hate.

 

[Fledermaus]

re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

Yep you are wrong , again , shock horror.

If Hamas were accused of cannibalism ,I would likewise dispute the claim on lack of evidence. That's not a defence , it's wanting to separate fact from fiction. You should try it yourself sometime .

Then you would obfuscate, argue semantics, ignore every definition of cannibalism, argue it was unneeded body parts, ignore everything presented documenting cannibalism and play all kinds of games.


Then say you would the IDF committed cannibalism as well.

 

[Fledermaus]

re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

No, it is not the same. Those who didn't flee Israel when it was formed, with false promises of return and more land, don't hate Israel. Instead they flourish there. Many volunteering to serve in the IDF. You are a dishonest propagandist, a fomenter of hate, and terror. Children are born without hate in their hearts, only trust of adults, all adults and have to be taught hate.

Shhhhhhhhhhhh

Don't burst the bubble of ignorance.

 

[oneworld2]

re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

No, it is not the same.

Yes it is, you just don't like the starkness of the comparison

Those who didn't flee Israel when it was formed, with false promises of return and more land, don't hate Israel. Instead they flourish there.

Of course they do , they are just in a very precarious position that you are completely unaware of or just plain indifferent to

They are twice as likely to live in poverty than any Jewish citizens apart from the ultra orthodox state benefit scroungers. Their language has been struck off the official languages for the country even though they make up 20% of the overall population. There are a multitude of laws that discriminate against them. They live with an ever growing fear of expulsion/suppression as the country veers further to the right , with the young Israelis being the most radically anti Arab since the state itself was formed.

You are talking from a position of indifference at best imo

Palestinian poverty level almost double Israel average – Middle East Monitor

Many volunteering to serve in the IDF.

Not " many " , it's actually around 1 % and it is highly controversial within the Palestinian Arab/Israeli communities themselves.

Serving in the IDF brings with it better benefits and employment opportunities for those willing to cross the " red line ". So you have high unemployment/poverty driving a tiny percentage of Palestinian Israelis into running the gauntlet and joining the IDF

Israel's Arab soldiers who fight for the Jewish state - BBC News

You are a dishonest propagandist, a fomenter of hate, and terror.

I have given some details and supplied the links that rubbish your claims . Claims that were completely unsupported. So I suggest to you that it is an accurate depiction of yourself that you have , dishonestly , tried to project onto me in the above. You do it a lot and talk from a position of ignorance , obviously

Children are born without hate in their hearts, only trust of adults, all adults and have to be taught hate.

The first part of that sentence is the only honest thing in your entire post. Poor treatment and discrimination will always breed resentment and hate , not just with Palestinians but with any group. The diabolical treatment of those Palestinians forced to live under military occupation and/or siege is sure to engender an ongoing hatred of Israel and thus Israelis. You just don't want to accept that

If you truly wanted to understand why there is so much hatred on both sides you wouldn't need me to point out the reality of the situation because you would already have done the necessary study to know it for yourself.

 

[oneworld2]

re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

Shhhhhhhhhhhh

Don't burst the bubble of ignorance.

I've already exposed his level of ignorance in the above post and yours in countless other posts. His posts are as dishonest as your own , so no wonder there is a whole lot of hugging going on between you lol

 

[Fledermaus]

re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

I've already exposed his level of ignorance in the above post and yours in countless other posts. His posts are as dishonest as your own , so no wonder there is a whole lot of hugging going on between you lol

Good?

Bad?

Well?

 

[OldFatGuy]

re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

Yes it is, you just don't like the starkness of the comparison



Of course they do , they are just in a very precarious position that you are completely unaware of or just plain indifferent to

They are twice as likely to live in poverty than any Jewish citizens apart from the ultra orthodox state benefit scroungers. Their language has been struck off the official languages for the country even though they make up 20% of the overall population. There are a multitude of laws that discriminate against them. They live with an ever growing fear of expulsion/suppression as the country veers further to the right , with the young Israelis being the most radically anti Arab since the state itself was formed.

You are talking from a position of indifference at best imo

Palestinian poverty level almost double Israel average – Middle East Monitor



Not " many " , it's actually around 1 % and it is highly controversial within the Palestinian Arab/Israeli communities themselves.

Serving in the IDF brings with it better benefits and employment opportunities for those willing to cross the " red line ". So you have high unemployment/poverty driving a tiny percentage of Palestinian Israelis into running the gauntlet and joining the IDF

Israel's Arab soldiers who fight for the Jewish state - BBC News




I have given some details and supplied the links that rubbish your claims . Claims that were completely unsupported. So I suggest to you that it is an accurate depiction of yourself that you have , dishonestly , tried to project onto me in the above. You do it a lot and talk from a position of ignorance , obviously



The first part of that sentence is the only honest thing in your entire post. Poor treatment and discrimination will always breed resentment and hate , not just with Palestinians but with any group. The diabolical treatment of those Palestinians forced to live under military occupation and/or siege is sure to engender an ongoing hatred of Israel and thus Israelis. You just don't want to accept that

If you truly wanted to understand why there is so much hatred on both sides you wouldn't need me to point out the reality of the situation because you would already have done the necessary study to know it for yourself.

Horse manure.

 

[oneworld2]

re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

Horse manure.

Well , I suppose if that's all you've got , that's all you've got.

Your claims were based on ignorance of the subject and were shown to be pretty wild in their inaccuracy

 

[OldFatGuy]

re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

Well , I suppose if that's all you've got , that's all you've got.

Your claims were based on ignorance of the subject and were shown to be pretty wild in their inaccuracy

I'm not willing to waste any more of my time and effort to counter obvious propaganda. There is no good reason for me to consider the plight of the refugees that they have created for themselves. They offer the world hate and terror, and may they all perish to hell. The only ignorant poster in this thread is you. Horse manure. That is the only claim I have made. Suffer it.

 

[oneworld2]

re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

I'm not willing to waste any more of my time and effort to counter obvious propaganda. There is no good reason for me to consider the plight of the refugees that they have created for themselves. They offer the world hate and terror, and may they all perish to hell. The only ignorant poster in this thread is you. Horse manure. That is the only claim I have made. Suffer it.

Sure , don't tell me. You have all the answers and voluminous amounts of evidential support for them but you just don't want to " waste time and effort " putting my ( fully supported with links ) " propaganda " to the sword :roll:

The part of your post I highlighted just shows where you are coming from and it ain't pretty

 

[Fledermaus]

re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

Sure , don't tell me. You have all the answers and voluminous amounts of evidential support for them but you just don't want to " waste time and effort " putting my ( fully supported with links ) " propaganda " to the sword :roll:

The part of your post I highlighted just shows where you are coming from and it ain't pretty

Truth is often ugly.

Just think what Gaza would be like if Hamas quit the war on Israeli citizens and instead improved the Palestinian infrastructure.

 

[OldFatGuy]

re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

Sure , don't tell me. You have all the answers and voluminous amounts of evidential support for them but you just don't want to " waste time and effort " putting my ( fully supported with links ) " propaganda " to the sword :roll:

The part of your post I highlighted just shows where you are coming from and it ain't pretty

I know what you are.

 

[oneworld2]

re: [W:151]Hamas.. The "good guys" in the 2014 Gaza blood bath?

I know what you are.

What you " know " isn't reliable/factual anyhow so............