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[W:1303]***To Believe or Not To Believe

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All of which are written anonymously. They are the CLAIMS, not the evidence.

No, they were written by Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John. They put their names to it.

How you say you don't believe Mathew, Mark, Luke, or John existed either? Then Plato didn't exist either!
 
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So you have no faith in each other. You have no trust in each other at all.

Faith and trust are two different things. Buy a dictionary.
 
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No, they were written by Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John. They put their names to it.

How you say you don't believe Mathew, Mark, Luke, or John existed either? Then Plato didn't exist either!

You honestly need a basic education. It's rare to run into anyone as absurdly ignorant as you are.
 
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You honestly need a basic education. It's rare to run into anyone as absurdly ignorant as you are.

Care to form any counterarguments to his assertion, or to just continue insulting his intelligence?
 
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Yes, it is.

Again, wrong, did you not read the definition?

Not my definition... It comes from Philosophy.

Well, I posted the definition of religion, please prove that atheism is a religion. Because that someone believes it is a religion is as said nonsense.

Philosophy is not bogus, nonsense, BS.

...continued Argument of the Stone Fallacy...

No, what you claim is nonsense. Pure and simple. To claim that not having a faith is a faith/religion is the actual argument of stone fallacy, and BS of course.

Wrong. It, itself, is a religious belief. It is accepting (as a true) the circular argument that 'god(s) do not exist'.

Great, more nonsense.
 
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Atheism is a belief that no god, gods, or spirits exist. That is a circular argument. It is an argument of faith. It is a religion.

More nonsense pushers. I don't believe in god. Pure and simple, it is not a circular argument, it is not a faith and not a religion.

Faith when it comes to religion is this definition:

strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.

And as I stated what a religion is according to the definition, atheism is clearly not a religion.
 
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Yes it is.

Neither of us made that definition.

Argument of the Stone.

No, it is the belief that no god, gods, or spirits exist.

I don't belief. That is not a belief. All of what you claim is nonsense.
 
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As usual.

Unfortunately. So it's another lunatic theist into my ignore list. If they can't handle themselves like rational adults, I have no time for them.
 
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Atheism is a belief that no god, gods, or spirits exist. That is a circular argument. It is an argument of faith. It is a religion.

Atheism says nothing about spirits. It is a lack of belief in gods, while theism is a belief in gods. Neither position is based on arguments at all. Belief or lack of belief in something is not an argument. The idea of gods is just an idea. Thinking that gods exist as more than just an idea is a belief that theists hold. Gods can only be believed in in this sense, because gods have not been observed, tested, and verified independently. The view that gods are purely conceptual is not a belief, it is an observation.
 
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He thinks that dictionaries define words (instead of people).

He also likely paradoxically thinks that all dictionary definitions are authoritative and correct, even though they tend to differ from each other.

Who writes dictionaries?

Examples of differing definitions from dictionaries please.
 
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Yes, it does. It argues that no god(s) exist, for example.


Belief in gods or no gods results from a circular argument; That's the very definition of belief.


No, they are not. They are beliefs.


True. It is a belief (beliefs are not arguments in and of themselves). Beliefs are acceptance of circular arguments as trues.


It is a belief. Beliefs are acceptance of circular arguments as trues.


Fear, in and of itself, is not an argument. However, kids do form arguments concerning the existence of those monsters as a result of their fear. Those kids even tend to argue rather logically about it, as opposed to their parents who, surprisingly enough, typically don't.


Inversion Fallacy. YOU don't have an idea... An argument consists of (a) predicate(s) and a conclusion which follows from it/them.


Belief, by definition, involves the acceptance of an argument as a true. You deny the very definition of belief.


The 2nd part is wrong. An argument is needed before one can circularly accept/reject it as a true. Then, other arguments can be posited from that now-formed belief.


Actually, it seems that you have done so...

The definition of belief is not circular argument. You are wrong and can't demonstrate otherwise. As a people I know the true definition of belief. And I know it is not circular argument. It is an acceptance that something is true. It has nothing to do with arguments.
 
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Who writes dictionaries?

Examples of differing definitions from dictionaries please.

Already asked and ignored because dictionaries agree on definitions.
 
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Already asked and ignored because dictionaries agree on definitions.

Neither he nor ITN have answered who provides the definitions found in dictionaries. They think they are making some big point when they say that people define words, not dictionaries. Yet they refuse to see that people put the definitions in dictionaries, so their point is meaningless.
 
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I don't belief. That is not a belief. All of what you claim is nonsense.

Bible believing Christians believe God. Unsaved rebels against God claim they have no beliefs. It is hard to argue against someone claiming to hold such an unthinking position.
 
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Neither he nor ITN have answered who provides the definitions found in dictionaries. They think they are making some big point when they say that people define words, not dictionaries. Yet they refuse to see that people put the definitions in dictionaries, so their point is meaningless.

They could pick out a dictionary at random, look up the definition of the word lexicographer and light will dawn on them.
 
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Bible believing Christians believe God. Unsaved rebels against God claim they have no beliefs. It is hard to argue against someone claiming to hold such an unthinking position.

I don't rebel against god, I don't believe in magic creatures. And it is true, I have no religious doctrines in which I believe. That does not imply I have no values, thoughts, political things I support, etc. etc. etc.

Only someone with no independent thoughts of himself can claim that not believing in magic creatures is an unthinking position. In fact I like to think we think about as much as most religious people and more than a large chunk of religious people.
 
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I am sure some people are under the misconception that we are a theism because it is in our name, atheism. But the "a" stands for "without/no/non" so it is no-theism or non-theist in other words we are people without theist views, we are not a religious group. Just like there are "a-political" people there are also atheist, and maybe other words exist where the "a" means without (as a Dutch person with some proficiency in the English language but not as good as actual English speaking/writing people, I cannot currently think about other examples but I am sure they exist) but it is way too late for me to think about that, sorry.
 
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Unfortunately. So it's another lunatic theist into my ignore list. If they can't handle themselves like rational adults, I have no time for them.

But, but, but who will you respond to with all of us on ignore...:2razz:
 
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No, I really don't...


Could you please provide an example of a contradiction which isn't a paradox?
Barry Bonds is the greatest baseball player of al time.
Babe Ruth is the greatest player of all time.
The statements cannot both be true at the same time, so they contradict. But there’s no paradox involved: just two competing claims. And they could both be false...Lou Gehrig could be the greatest baseball player of all time.

Additionally we could have Ruth and Gehrig playing together on the Yankees, and in the first half of the season Ruth has the higher batting average. In the second half of the season, Ruth again has the higher batting average. But for the overall season, Gehrig has the higher batting average. Paradox...but no contradiction.

Denying paradoxes do not make them go away.
Nor does claiming paradox cause one to exist.
You must choose one of the two arguments, and completely disregard the other argument, in order to clear your paradox...
If I claimed both to be true, there would be a contradiction, but not a paradox. It is entirely possible for someone to contradict themselves, or to make two arguments that don’t agree.
 
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Yes, it is.


Not my definition... It comes from Philosophy.


Philosophy is not bogus, nonsense, BS.

...continued Argument of the Stone Fallacy...


Wrong. It, itself, is a religious belief. It is accepting (as a true) the circular argument that 'god(s) do not exist'.
To blatantly steal: atheism is a religion like bald is a hair color.
 
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Unfortunately. So it's another lunatic theist into my ignore list. If they can't handle themselves like rational adults, I have no time for them.
A "rational adult" doesn't ignore disagreement.
 
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