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[W:108]Which Trump do you agree with

Re: Which Trump do you agree with

Again he isnt different than any other politician.

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So why did you vote for him as opposed to someone else, if they're all the same anyway?
 
Re: Which Trump do you agree with

The Trump of then:





or the Trump of now?


Wonder how long it's going to take for Obama and Clinton to get name dropped...
 
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Yes, he says things, great things, unbelievable things, the greatest things ever said! No president in history ever said better things!

my whole thing is.. abortion is a distraction issue. basically, it's Trump's favorite kind of issue. anything that can distract the masses away from his detrimental policies.

But, thing is, okay, if I'm going to concede on abortion, you can ban it. What are you going to give me in return? I'm conceding something that goes against my fundamental beliefs that eccentric religious beliefs shouldn't be legislated and that it is oppressive to all women. What do I get back?
 
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my whole thing is.. abortion is a distraction issue. basically, it's Trump's favorite kind of issue. anything that can distract the masses away from his detrimental policies.

But, thing is, okay, if I'm going to concede on abortion, you can ban it. What are you going to give me in return? I'm conceding something that goes against my fundamental beliefs that eccentric religious beliefs shouldn't be legislated and that it is oppressive to all women. What do I get back?

It's Trump's favorite kind of issue because he knows that there is a significant number of voters who focus only on that one issue, and don't care about anything else. They call themselves "Christians," but are willing to vote for a man who embodies the polar opposite of what Christianity says a man should be, simply because they think he will appoint "conservative" judges who might overturn Roe V. Wade.

But, if the SCOTUS ever did overturn that decision, the issue of abortion would go back to the states and the self described "conservatives" running for federal office wouldn't have that handy issue to use to garner votes any more.
 
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When is she going to be arrested for her crimes, OCF?

Crooked Hillary Von Pantsuit, AKA the hildabeast has been involved in criminal activity going all the way back through her philandering hubby's five terms as governor, and almost nonstop since. The statute of limitations is up on most of her crimes, however she could still get nailed for her violations of the espionage act (email scandal), pay to play at the Clinton Foundation, and her involvement in the phony dossier that led to the Russian Collusion hoax, I suggest that you have patience. All three are likely in the IG report and could be addressed soon.
 
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Crooked Hillary Von Pantsuit, AKA the hildabeast has been involved in criminal activity going all the way back through her philandering hubby's five terms as governor, and almost nonstop since. The statute of limitations is up on most of her crimes, however she could still get nailed for her violations of the espionage act (email scandal), pay to play at the Clinton Foundation, and her involvement in the phony dossier that led to the Russian Collusion hoax, I suggest that you have patience. All three are likely in the IG report and could be addressed soon.

Great story. So when is she going to be indicted for all of these crimes?
 
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Look at how many other issues he's done a 180 on. For Don supporters, then doesn't exist, only now...

Even before the primaries, I listen to Trump take one stance one day, the complete opposite the next only to deny taking any stances at all on the third. That told me right then that what ever Trumps says, put no stock into it. It's just like switching his political parties eight times. I firmly believe Trump doesn't know what he is or what he stands for and if the truth be told has no political ideology or philosophy. I think his only philosophy was that of an opportunist willing to change parties, stances, whatever to what gave him an advantage then and now.
 
Re: Which Trump do you agree with

Why are you asking me? Ask the special prosecutor that AG Barr has appointed.

So Barr as appointed a special prosecutor to investigate the Clinton Foundation and her emails (because the first few investigations by Republicans failed)? Do you have a link for that?
 
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So Barr as appointed a special prosecutor to investigate the Clinton Foundation and her emails (because the first few investigations by Republicans failed)? Do you have a link for that?

Barr has appointed a special prosecutor to look at everything in the IG report, including your comrade Hillary Clinton, but not limited to her.
 
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Trump has been a politician for 2 years.

So you're okay with Trump supporting partial birth abortion, which is probably the one thing you won't even get pro-choice advocates to approve?
I dont care what his position is or what it was before on abortion. Im not in the least bit interested in womens privileges.

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So why did you vote for him as opposed to someone else, if they're all the same anyway?
He was the best option running.

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Barr has appointed a special prosecutor to look at everything in the IG report, including your comrade Hillary Clinton, but not limited to her.

You call Hillary a comrade while Putin's ____ is in Don's ___?!? Projection starts at the top and flows all the way to the bottom...
 
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He was a Dem his entire life until 2015. He used to make fun of Republicans. Called them stupid.

Absolutely true.

I was a Democrat when the Democrat party was more like JFK. So was Reagan.

Regardless of party, if you can't make fun of any politician, you just aren't trying. In truth, you're using incredible restraint. Perhaps just showing incredible bias...

I've posted here that Trump should change parties just we can all have a little fun watching the lying hypocrites from both parties running into each other as they change allegiances. Again.

Suddenly the Dems would be calling him a stable genius and the Reps would be moving to impeach. The possibilities are endless and hysterical.
 
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I hate abortion too. I would never have one. But unlike Trump, I was never an advocate for partial birth abortion.

No, his "policy" position didn't change. He didn't have a "policy" 20 years ago when he was a real estate developer. He was also a father/role model well before 1999. In 1999 his son Junior was 22 years old (after he was raised by nannies when his father left his mother for a much younger woman - that kind of a role model father you mean?).

He's lying to you now, and you know it. He's pandering to the religious right, and you know it. You just lack the honest gene to admit it.

Wait a minute!

Are you seriously asserting that a politician is lying?
 
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How much does he deserve?

About half.

So far, he's only getting about 8%.

Obama was getting far over half.

Biased propagandists showing the butts.

Dim witted sheep not understanding what they're being fed.
 
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If he gets a second term, he won't have to cater to the rubes anymore. He'll shift his interests to those who can make him money.

What actions/programs/policies implemented during his first administration to date lead you believe this?

With respect, you sound as if you have been the victim of the propagandists working to mislead the easily deceived.
 
Re: Which Trump do you agree with

The Trump of then:





or the Trump of now?


Like Robert Byrd but unlike Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump has changed for the better as he saw the wisdom of abandoning bad democrat policies.
 
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Like Robert Byrd but unlike Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump has changed for the better as he saw the wisdom of abandoning bad democrat policies.

There's an old adage, 'a leopard can't change his spots'. Trump has changed? From what, a self-centred con artist, fraud and a crook into a decent, caring individual?
 
Re: Which Trump do you agree with

The Trump of then:





or the Trump of now?


Cultists have their own graven image of Trump. To them, he's the Father and Son, all rolled into one.

To the rest of us he's a grifter, con man in chief, who suckered the stupid into believing in him.
 
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Most people hate abortion. The difference is that, before he liked choice. Now he hates choice as well. He has done a complete 180 on the subject, from adamantly pro choice to adamantly pro life. He re made himself into some caricature of the right wing "conservative" movement, adopting every position that the dittoheads take. That got him elected, as not many saw through his con job.

Trump is not a nuanced messenger.

In my personal case, I also hate abortion and I believe that any abortion demanded by any woman ends a human life. I hold objections on a moral basis.

I also do not want to personally care for every unwanted child born to every woman who demands an abortion. As a result, I support the genocidal abortion on demand approach embraced by our society.

It's a close call for me. Very, very close. I am right on the line leaning to the direction that I have chosen for the reason I have stated.

If I changed my "position" tomorrow, it would not be a 180 degree turnaround. It would be about a 2 degree course adjustment.

Unlike you, I cannot see into the souls of others. Trump changed his policy position. He hated abortion before and he hates it now.

I suspect that his change was similar in degree to mine if it happens. About a 2 degree course correction.
 
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If you don't think trump ever paid for an abortion with all the raw dogging he's done over the years you are more deluded than I thought

I don't recall posting an opinion on that topic.

Could you link to the post that you are referencing?
 
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