[W:103]The Christian Religion and Homosexuality

[tosca1]

Re: The Christian Religion and Homosexuality

Again, the US is not a theocracy where a church or a religion gets to determine marriage, that is the Governments choice as many benefits are given to those who are married and churches have no right to determine what the state determines is marriage.

Sure, gays are not being discriminated against massively, with full support of small government conservatives except of course when the church wants to ram through their opinion through the throats of the entire nation. Then big government and government interference is perfectly fine.

:roll:

Again, being not a theocracy - so what? Even if we're in Communist state - irrelevant!
Read my response to you about that!

IRRELEVANT!

 

[blarg]

It's not him. It's the lack of the spiritual in those who ignorantly deny and mock him.

As the scripture says, "But the natural (unbelieving; carnal minded) man does not understand the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14

yes it would be him since he created every one and hides you know if you god is not just a work of fiction you use to overcome your fear of death and an uncaring universe

 

[devildavid]

No, the Bible tells us what God does/will do...

It amounts to the same thing. Paul writes a letter and god is held to everything in that letter. God's hands are tied by every word in the bible, according to that view.

 

[Peter King]

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:roll:

Again, being not a theocracy - so what? Even if we're in Communist state - irrelevant!
Read my response to you about that!

IRRELEVANT!

Nope, it is your view that is irrelevant, gay marriage if not an issue except for people who think the bible should dictate the actions of the US government, that is an issue. There is nothing wrong with homosexuality, it is natural for gays/lesbians and the church should stop actively trying to make their lives hard/impossible.

 

[OlNate]

Re: The Christian Religion and Homosexuality

Nope, it is your view that is irrelevant, gay marriage if not an issue except for people who think the bible should dictate the actions of the US government, that is an issue. There is nothing wrong with homosexuality, it is natural for gays/lesbians and the church should stop actively trying to make their lives hard/impossible.

It should be noted that many denominations have prioritized love over judgement, which, according to the Bible, is God's job anyway, and have not only welcomed gay folks to their church services, but perform same sex marriages, and ordain gay ministers. As a Lutheran, I do not own or condone the hate-based treatment of gay people practiced by some denominations and offshoots.

 

[Daisy]

Re: The Christian Religion and Homosexuality

Nope, it is your view that is irrelevant, gay marriage if not an issue except for people who think the bible should dictate the actions of the US government, that is an issue. There is nothing wrong with homosexuality, it is natural for gays/lesbians and the church should stop actively trying to make their lives hard/impossible.

There are those...like me...who support what the Bible says/live by the laws of the Bible and yet decline to interfere with secular laws on the matter...

 

[Peter King]

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It should be noted that many denominations have prioritized love over judgement, which, according to the Bible, is God's job anyway, and have not only welcomed gay folks to their church services, but perform same sex marriages, and ordain gay ministers. As a Lutheran, I do not own or condone the hate-based treatment of gay people practiced by some denominations and offshoots.

Churches who do not do that should be supported and applauded for being actual christians rather than christians in name only (who are more old testament only supporters).

 

[Peter King]

Re: The Christian Religion and Homosexuality

There are those...like me...who support what the Bible says/live by the laws of the Bible and yet decline to interfere with secular laws on the matter...

Which is something I have absolutely no issue with at all, my point was about those who do the opposite.

 

[PTF]

Christians: If your religion didn't teach that homosexuality is a sin, would you personally still have a problem with homosexuality between consenting adults ? If Yes, Why ?

Yeah I would.
As I've said in other forums and not needing the Bible, I say Antonio + Shemare = 0. This troye silvan syndrome has spread and it's not normal.
-vogue
-open sex in malls and amusement parks
-adoptions
-atheism
Pretending to be normal while fornicating as they wear jewelery shaped as crosses and heads.Walking hand in hand passed playgrounds and schools trying to timing when little boys are playing.
No need to go further no thanks to barack " khalil " obama.

 

[RAMOSS]

Re: The Christian Religion and Homosexuality

Churches who do not do that should be supported and applauded for being actual christians rather than christians in name only (who are more old testament only supporters).

The funny thing is that for the most part, the Jewish faith is MUCH less 'fire and brimstone' and judgemental about that than the Christians.

 

[Daisy]

Re: The Christian Religion and Homosexuality

The funny thing is that for the most part, the Jewish faith is MUCH less 'fire and brimstone' and judgemental about that than the Christians.

How do they feel about secular laws though?

 

[RAMOSS]

Re: The Christian Religion and Homosexuality

How do they feel about secular laws though?

There is a very great variety of opinion. How could there not be?? Ask two Jews, get 3 opinions. The orthodox tend to be very conservative, the conservatives are getting to be more liberal about things as time goes by (I know of a gay marriage that happened in a conservative Shule). The conservative Jewish synagogues also allow gay Rabbi's. The Orthodox tend to be against gay marriage, but many will accept gay members into the congregation without bias.

Even the Orthodox are starting to become more tolerant of it, but I am not going to be around when they finally accept it. It wasn't until 2015 that the Orthodox actually had a woman that was called 'Rabbi' in their midst (Which is the same year they had their first openly transgender Rabbi. That wasn't that long ago.

I doubt they will have an openly homosexual Orthodox rabbi for a while, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happens sometime.

 

[Daisy]

Re: The Christian Religion and Homosexuality

There is a very great variety of opinion. How could there not be?? Ask two Jews, get 3 opinions. The orthodox tend to be very conservative, the conservatives are getting to be more liberal about things as time goes by (I know of a gay marriage that happened in a conservative Shule). The conservative Jewish synagogues also allow gay Rabbi's. The Orthodox tend to be against gay marriage, but many will accept gay members into the congregation without bias.

Even the Orthodox are starting to become more tolerant of it, but I am not going to be around when they finally accept it. It wasn't until 2015 that the Orthodox actually had a woman that was called 'Rabbi' in their midst (Which is the same year they had their first openly transgender Rabbi. That wasn't that long ago.

I doubt they will have an openly homosexual Orthodox rabbi for a while, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happens sometime.

Interesting, Ramoss...thanks for the reply...

 

[devildavid]

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There are those...like me...who support what the Bible says/live by the laws of the Bible and yet decline to interfere with secular laws on the matter...

What laws of the bible?

 

[Daisy]

Re: The Christian Religion and Homosexuality

What laws of the bible?

Moral laws and principles...

 

[Peter King]

Re: The Christian Religion and Homosexuality

Which is something I have absolutely no issue with at all, my point was about those who do the opposite.

I forgot to add that this is also true for all other religions, I do not agree with political islam, political judaism, political whatever, any religion that tries to force everybody to love to the rules of their faith and only allows those rules is something I would never agree with, I do not single out any single religion in that aspect.

 

[devildavid]

Re: The Christian Religion and Homosexuality

Moral laws and principles...

What moral laws and principles?

 

[Daisy]

Re: The Christian Religion and Homosexuality

What moral laws and principles?

The ones in the Bible which are all summed up in two...Matthew 22:37-40...

 

[devildavid]

Re: The Christian Religion and Homosexuality

The ones in the Bible which are all summed up in two...Matthew 22:37-40...

What does it mean to love god?

 

[Integrityrespec]

Christians: If your religion didn't teach that homosexuality is a sin, would you personally still have a problem with homosexuality between consenting adults ? If Yes, Why ?

Yes! Ignoring religious reasons: seems unnatural, cannot reproduce that way.

 

[Daisy]

Re: The Christian Religion and Homosexuality

What does it mean to love god?

The same way a child loves his parents...he won't deliberately do anything to displease them...

 

[Logician Man]

Yes! Ignoring religious reasons: seems unnatural, cannot reproduce that way.

Is it your contention two consentlng adults who wish not to reproduce should not engage in sexual activity ? If, YES, how does this 'personally' affect you in anyway, and why would you have a problem with it ?

 

[devildavid]

Re: The Christian Religion and Homosexuality

The same way a child loves his parents...he won't deliberately do anything to displease them...

Is that the only way to show love ?

 

[Daisy]

Re: The Christian Religion and Homosexuality

Is that the only way to show love ?

Is that not the best way? How do you show love to your parents?

 

[RAMOSS]

Yes! Ignoring religious reasons: seems unnatural, cannot reproduce that way.

And why should that matter? There are more than enough people in the world, and honestly, at this point of time in my life, I don't have sex to reproduce anyway.