[W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

[code1211]

We all know that Gosnell induced Labor and they when any were born he murdered them.

That’s not abortion , it is not even attempted abortion.

He delivered the babies and then killed them after they were born. Anyone who kills born babies will be prosecuted.

He was doing this for the years between 1993 and 2015 with no inspection and no review by any authorities charged with the regulation of this practice.

Your faith in our system, while naively admirable, is not founded in any kind of logic based any kind of justification.

 

[minnie616]

Thank you.

Gosnell was not only a murderer , he was a lazy and incompetent person who ran a filthy clinic and he preyed on his victims ( the pregnant women were also victims ).

 

[Scrabaholic]

In consideration of your delicate psyche, I will not post the pictures here.

You *can't* post them here. It is not allowed.

Pictures do not sway me. Do pictures of animals being slaughtered stop you from eating meat? Would pictures of bowel resection stop you from having one if you needed one?

Denial, rationalization and projection are all actions of addicts and symptoms of addiction. I find it interesting that denial, rationalization and projection are also the tools of the pro choice argument.

You mean the anti choice movement.

 

[Scrabaholic]

I liked Scrabaholic post because she is correct most of pictures of an intact fetus that pro-life people post saying they were abortions are really are of stillbirths.

I don't know why people ASSume that if someone clicks like on a post, they agree with *every* word in the post.

 

[minnie616]

He was doing this for the years between 1993 and 2015 with no inspection and no review by any authorities charged with the regulation of this practice.

Your faith in our system, while naively admirable, is not founded in any kind of logic based any kind of justification.

The lack of inspections falls on the State of Pennsylvania.

I will also point out it was NOT a Planned Parenthood Clinic. Planned Parenthood Clinic are closely regulated and do NOT rely only on state inspectors and reviews.

(By the way Gosnell owned his own clinic, He was arrested and the clinic closed in 2013 not 2015 )

 

[code1211]

You *can't* post them here. It is not allowed.

Pictures do not sway me. Do pictures of animals being slaughtered stop you from eating meat? Would pictures of bowel resection stop you from having one if you needed one?





You mean the anti choice movement.

The question is not my personal revulsion to the pictures. It is whether or not they prove the occurrence of that which you claim never occurred.

They do prove this occurrence. Pictures of slaughtered animals and of aborted babies both prove the practices of slaughter and abortion occur.

Why are you STILL denying that abortion, and apparently now animal slaughter, occur?

Denial, rationalization and projection are all in your post. What is additionally amazing is that you are employing all of these to argue that you employ none of these.

This is very interesting!

 

[minnie616]

The question is not my personal revulsion to the pictures. It is whether or not they prove the occurrence of that which you claim never occurred.

They do prove this occurrence. Pictures of slaughtered animals and of aborted babies both prove the practices of slaughter and abortion occur.

Why are you STILL denying that abortion, and apparently now animal slaughter, occur?

Denial, rationalization and projection are all in your post. What is additionally amazing is that you are employing all of these to argue that you employ none of these.

This is very interesting!

The babies Gosnell delivered and then murdered have nothing to do with abortions.

 

[code1211]

The lack of inspections falls on the State of Pennsylvania.

I will also point out it was NOT a Planned Parenthood Clinic. Planned Parenthood Clinic are closely regulated and do NOT rely only on state inspectors and reviews.

(By the way Gosnell owned his own clinic, He was arrested and the clinic closed in 2013 not 2015 )

Pardon the expansion of the years, although the years of neglect by authorities still fall into that range.

Did you limit your consideration to ONLY Planned Parenthood Clinics? I thought we were talking about abortion.

Does the discussion of abortion automatically demand that we are talking only about Planned Parenthood? Is the concentration of Planned Parenthood that focused?

 

[minnie616]

Pardon the expansion of the years, although the years of neglect by authorities still fall into that range.

Did you limit your consideration to ONLY Planned Parenthood Clinics? I thought we were talking about abortion.

Does the discussion of abortion automatically demand that we are talking only about Planned Parenthood? Is the concentration of Planned Parenthood that focused?

I don’t limit my consideration of only Planned Parenthood but many who read these threads may not know his clinic was privately owned by him.

We were talking about abortions and you seem to think that the fact Gosnell owned an abortion clinic that delivery of babies and then murdering a baby after born is an abortion procedure/technique.

He murdered those babies.
It had nothing to do with abortions.

 

[code1211]

The babies Gosnell delivered and then murdered have nothing to do with abortions.

And yet that is what the ladies who gave birth were seeking when the procedure was started in Gosnell's clinic and what Gosnell claimed to be doing.

Denial, rationalization and projection.

The recognition that abortion is murder and the societal demand that it be a legal right for individuals to get abortions on demand are not mutually exclusive ideas to hold.

 

[code1211]

I don’t limit my consideration of only Planned Parenthood but many who read these threads may not know his clinic was privately owned by him.

We were talking about abortions and you seem to think that the fact Gosnell owned an abortion clinic that delivery of babies and then murdering a baby after born is an abortion procedure/technique.

He murdered those babies.
It had nothing to do with abortions.

Kermit Gosnell Clinic Not Inspected - Business Insider
<snip>
Pennsylvania's health department stopped routine inspections of abortion facilities in the state after Tom Ridge, a pro-choice Republican, became governor in 1995.

Health department lawyers "changed their legal opinions and advice to suit the policy preferences of different governors," health department official Janet Staloski said in grand jury testimony.

In this case, she said the state didn't want to be "putting a barrier up to women" who wanted abortions.

In 1999, high-level Pennsylvania officials met to consider starting up regular inspections again but decided not to, state lawyer Kenneth Brody testified, according to the grand jury report.

He told the grand jury that officials were concerns that abortion clinics wouldn't meet inspection standards and then there "would be less abortion facilities."
<snip>

 

[minnie616]

And yet that is what the ladies who gave birth were seeking when the procedure was started in Gosnell's clinic and what Gosnell claimed to be doing.

Denial, rationalization and projection.

The recognition that abortion is murder and the societal demand that it be a legal right for individuals to get abortions on demand are not mutually exclusive ideas to hold.

As I said they too were victims and there was testimony they were not told how far along in the pregnancy they were.

 

[Wan]

Go Wan!

Thanks Angel!

Also, pic please. I am serious.

 

[code1211]

As I said they too were victims and there was testimony they were not told how far along in the pregnancy they were.

That last part opens a whole can of worms indicating the complete abdication of responsibility for this.

 

[minnie616]

That last part opens a whole can of worms indicating the complete abdication of responsibility for this.

I recall testimony from the ultrasound techs who were told by Gonelle how to make it appear a fetus was much smaller and younger than it actually was.

My thinking is Gonelle was quite unstable mentally( and I know I am putting that too mildly and kindly )

 

[code1211]

I recall testimony from the ultrasound techs who were told by Gonelle how to make it appear a fetus was much smaller and younger than it actually was.

Again, the shift of responsibility to the techs from the mother is san abdication of responsibility.

 

[Scrabaholic]

The question is not my personal revulsion to the pictures. It is whether or not they prove the occurrence of that which you claim never occurred.

They do prove this occurrence. Pictures of slaughtered animals and of aborted babies both prove the practices of slaughter and abortion occur.

Why are you STILL denying that abortion, and apparently now animal slaughter, occur?

Denial, rationalization and projection are all in your post. What is additionally amazing is that you are employing all of these to argue that you employ none of these.

This is very interesting!

Please stop projecting onto me.

And show where I EVER said that abortion or animal slaughter does not occur.

 

[code1211]

Please stop projecting onto me.

And show where I EVER said that abortion or animal slaughter does not occur.

The pictures demonstrate and were accepted as evidence of the live birth and subsequent murder of babies committed in the completion of the process of abortion.

IF you had actually Googled the items as requested, you would have seen this.

It's not that difficult to do. I understand that million of folks Google things all the time. You should try it.

 

[minnie616]

Pardon the expansion of the years, although the years of neglect by authorities still fall into that range.

I was also wrong about the time frame.


Gosnell's license to practice was suspended in Early 2010.

He was arrested in 2011 and I the grand jury was also 2011

 

[minnie616]

The pictures demonstrate and were accepted as evidence of the live birth and subsequent murder of babies committed in the completion of the process of abortion.

IF you had actually Googled the items as requested, you would have seen this.

It's not that difficult to do. I understand that million of folks Google things all the time. You should try it.

Murdering a born baby is not a completion of an abortion.

No matter how many times you say that ,it does not make it true.

 

[Wan]

Murdering a born baby is not a completion of an abortion.

He didn't say it is. He says that (murdering a born baby) is what some abortion providers do.

 

[minnie616]

He didn't say it is. He says that (murdering a born baby) is what some abortion providers do.

Please reread his post:

The pictures demonstrate and were accepted as evidence of the live birth and subsequent murder of babies committed in the completion of the process of abortion.

IF you had actually Googled the items as requested, you would have seen this.

It's not that difficult to do. I understand that million of folks Google things all the time. You should try it.

code1211 said, and I repeat his quote ”The pictures demonstrate and were accepted as
evidence of the live birth and subsequent murder of babies committed
in the completion of the process of abortion.”

 

[Wan]

Please reread his post:



code1211 said, and I repeat his quote ”The pictures demonstrate and were accepted as
evidence of the live birth and subsequent murder of babies committed
in the completion of the process of abortion.

It doesn't matter whether you consider what they did to be abortion. The important thing is that when they tried to perform what they thought was abortion, live birth occurred, and fully viable babies were born, and then subsequently murdered.

 

[minnie616]

He didn't say it is. He says that (murdering a born baby) is what some abortion providers do.

Name one other abortion provider that murdered born babies.

 

[Wan]

Name one other abortion provider that murdered born babies.

I don't need to name another one. Just one abortion provider who does this is bad enough.