Voted for Clinton, can't vote for Biden

[Craig234]

Biden surely doesn't believe "that black people don't know how to raise their children." Don't lend coherence to an incoherent remark, then use it as excuse to sit out the election and thereby support a guy who probably does believe it. Biden's strongest supporters are black people. I think they probably have a better reading on him than your post indicates you have.

I suspect that a lot of black people's support for Biden comes more from his high name recognition and having been Obama's VP, than is about Biden personally and his thinking and policies. Note the number of very informed, engaged black leaders, like the link above to Nina Turner, who make the case why Biden isn't the best choice.

 

[Craig234]

Sorry, you can't guilt me into voting for Biden. Lay your burden at someone else's feet.

To pick one of many issues, do you care nothing about the attack on our constitution and rights by trying to pack the courts with far-right Federalist Society judges for decades to come?

 

[Dans La Lune]

Biden surely doesn't believe "that black people don't know how to raise their children." Don't lend coherence to an incoherent remark, then use it as excuse to sit out the election and thereby support a guy who probably does believe it. Biden's strongest supporters are black people. I think they probably have a better reading on him than your post indicates you have.

I'm not using it as an excuse, I'm using as the last straw to a metric ton of straws.

Also, watch Biden's black support drop like a stone once his record is laid bare. You think Hillary's super-predator remark was bad?

I'm trying to tell you, Biden is the weakest candidate on the stage. I'm doing a service.

 

[JackA]

I'm not using it as an excuse, I'm using as the last straw to a metric ton of straws.

Also, watch Biden's black support drop like a stone once his record is laid bare. You think Hillary's super-predator remark was bad?

I'm trying to tell you, Biden is the weakest candidate on the stage. I'm doing a service.

His record has been "laid bare" for decades. The only one disrespecting black people here is you.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

The 2016 election was a dumpster fire. I almost didn't vote, but ended up pulling for Clinton because she signed on to much of the platform Bernie wrote. And for a few other reasons.

I can't and won't vote for Biden under any circumstances. He's demonstrably worse than Clinton in every way. And yes, while Biden is better than Trump, the calculation is not sufficient to get me on Biden's team. What sealed it for me was the last debate.

His suggestion that black people don't know how to raise their children was just out-and-out racist, and his answer from then veered into an incoherent ramble on Venezuela. If this is the best Dems can do, I'm out. Let the moderates save the country from Trump, if they can.

Biden's incoherent ramble...

...

Nina Turner's epic response.

President Trump thanks you.
Sorry, but that is the reality.
Hey, I feel the same way about Biden, he's an idiot.
But I don't think we can afford another four years of Trump, it's just that simple.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

If my vote is the deciding factor, America has bigger problems than Trump.

"If my vote is the deciding factor" X "several million just like you"...it's simple arithmetic.
Trump won because several million people decided in 2016 to do exactly what you intend to do in 2020.
It's just arithmetic.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Except that beyond the rhetoric and incompetence, Trump is basically no worse than a typical modern Republican. He just signs the bills and outsources the judical agenda to the Federalist Society. And I have bad news for Democrats, that ship has already sailed.

Biden thinks Dick Cheney, Mitch McConnell and Mike Pence are perfectly fine and reasonable people to deal with. He effectively made the Bush Tax Cuts permanent, and told a room full of billionaires that nothing will fundamentally change for them if he's elected.

I'm not the kind of voter Biden is trying to reach. And I can make an intellectual argument that Biden wouldn't be that much better on the policy. So... I'm totally missing the hook that would get me in his team.

If the threat of Trump is so grave, why is Biden even among the top three? I didn't put him there.

Well, in all actuality I will be very suprised if Biden is still in the race come next March. If he is, it will resemble "Weekend at Bernie's"...no not Bernie Sanders, this Bernie.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Except that beyond the rhetoric and incompetence, Trump is basically no worse than a typical modern Republican.

You're clearly a very lucky person with a well insulated position in life if you've come to that conclusion.
That's not an insult, it's just an observation.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I guess I'll have to rework my meme to say "I don't care what you say, Biden is worse than Trump!".

 

[Dans La Lune]

"If my vote is the deciding factor" X "several million just like you"...it's simple arithmetic.
Trump won because several million people decided in 2016 to do exactly what you intend to do in 2020.
It's just arithmetic.

You're exactly right. And that's what I'm warning you about. My vote is almost irrelevant. If millions come to the same conclusion, then you have a serious problem.

A very, very preventable problem.

Biden is a paper candidate. Hillary was stronger and still lost. Consider me a canary in the coal mine. Or disregard me and see what happens. He may win and then no harm is done, right? Or my sentiment may be wide-spread, then you're screwed.

I'm not trying to convince a single person not to vote for Biden. I'm just telling you I won't.

 

[Winston]

Imagine the anguish for never-trump Republicans such as myself. I feel a genuine loyalty to my party and conservative beliefs and I've voted red in every election since Ronald Reagan in 1980. 2016 was the first time I didn't just vote down the party line as an option, I voted for all Republicans and wrote in Cruz. Admittedly, I am much more of a centrist on many issues but still consider myself a conservative. I now sit back and watch the orange buffoon we have leading my beloved party and can't believe what I'm seeing, both from him and that small devoted core of his that can justify everything he does while they criticize others for doing far less. They can actually support a man that has openly and publicly lied to them on the same level as Bill Clinton's "I did not have relations with that woman" comment to congress along with countless other lies and then use "whataboutism" as an excuse.

I did not and will not vote for Trump, I will hold out for a primary candidate although it doesn't look likely. In the absence of one I will vote for a Dem this cycle for president as I feel any change from Trump will have far less long term damage done to our great nation.

I think back to the times I've been fortunate enough to sit and talk with Mitt over the years and feel very sad for what could have been.

If only we had elected Mitt Romney in 2012, we could have prevented Trump and Biden


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[TomFitz]

If my vote is the deciding factor, America has bigger problems than Trump.



Yes, it's terrible



Biden wasn't chosen by Obama to get black voters, he was chosen to get white voters. Yes, Biden was a mistake and I can give you a laundry list of reasons why.



I'm putting all my eggs in the basket of 'Anyone but Biden' for the Democratic nomination. If that fails, and I just sign up out of party loyalty, then I was never sincere in the first place.

Sorry, you can't guilt me into voting for Biden. Lay your burden at someone else's feet.

You only get one vote.

And you SHOULD treat it as if it were the deciding one.

Just enough people in the US thought just like you do, and stayed home in 2016, 70,000 across the entire US. Not enough people to fill a football stadium. That goodness you weren’t one of them.

Don’t be one next time.

 

[Grandpappy]

To the OP, I wouldn't worry to much, Biden is pretty obviously in early onset dementia/senility/alzheimer's and he's sure to really screw up bad on camera sometime between now and the Dem convention. Then, you'll nominate a socialist and they'll lose the general. It's in the cards.

 

[Carleen]

I'm not happy to see Biden become the nominee, but for other reasons - mostly strategic.

But unlike you, I will vote for whoever the Dem nominee is - bar none! No other nominee; Dem, Repub, or Indie, could be worse than Trump!

You took the words right out of my mouth!!

 

[Dans La Lune]

To the OP, I wouldn't worry to much, Biden is pretty obviously in early onset dementia/senility/alzheimer's and he's sure to really screw up bad on camera sometime between now and the Dem convention. Then, you'll nominate a socialist and they'll lose the general. It's in the cards.

Everyone in the Democratic party is a socialist. Obama was a socialist, remember? Obama, who implemented Republican ideas, who chased every Republican negotiation to the right and ceded virtually every argument before it began.

The label is absurd to begin with, and is now fully useless as a scare tactic . Republicans then just scare-monger whatever Dems are calling themselves next. *yawn*

I respect Bernie and AOC for standing their ground. They have the actual qualities of a leader, regardless of what you think of their policies.

 

[Dans La Lune]

You only get one vote.

And you SHOULD treat it as if it were the deciding one.

Just enough people in the US thought just like you do, and stayed home in 2016, 70,000 across the entire US. Not enough people to fill a football stadium. That goodness you weren’t one of them.

Don’t be one next time.

Here's an idea: lets force candidates to be better and we won't have to swallow so hard that we vomit during the election.

I am not persuaded by Jill Biden's pathetic argument.



Been there, done that. Now we have Trump.

 

[Luther]

The 2016 election was a dumpster fire. I almost didn't vote, but ended up pulling for Clinton because she signed on to much of the platform Bernie wrote. And for a few other reasons.

I can't and won't vote for Biden under any circumstances. He's demonstrably worse than Clinton in every way. And yes, while Biden is better than Trump, the calculation is not sufficient to get me on Biden's team. What sealed it for me was the last debate.

His suggestion that black people don't know how to raise their children was just out-and-out racist, and his answer from then veered into an incoherent ramble on Venezuela. If this is the best Dems can do, I'm out. Let the moderates save the country from Trump, if they can.

Biden's incoherent ramble...

...

Nina Turner's epic response.

What state do ya reside?

Maybe it won't matter ?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

To the OP, I wouldn't worry to much, Biden is pretty obviously in early onset dementia/senility/alzheimer's and he's sure to really screw up bad on camera sometime between now and the Dem convention. Then, you'll nominate a socialist and they'll lose the general. It's in the cards.

Socialist = anyone who does not agree with Trump, everyone in the Democratic Party who does not acquiesce to Republican positions on issues.

 

[Helix]

vote against King Tangface.

as for Biden, he would be easier to vote for than Clinton, though i'm not thrilled about him. my top issue is win, though. I want the orange moron voted out, and i want Pence voted a few more steps away from the presidency.

 

[BrotherFease]

The 2016 election was a dumpster fire. I almost didn't vote, but ended up pulling for Clinton because she signed on to much of the platform Bernie wrote. And for a few other reasons.

I can't and won't vote for Biden under any circumstances. He's demonstrably worse than Clinton in every way. And yes, while Biden is better than Trump, the calculation is not sufficient to get me on Biden's team. What sealed it for me was the last debate.

His suggestion that black people don't know how to raise their children was just out-and-out racist, and his answer from then veered into an incoherent ramble on Venezuela. If this is the best Dems can do, I'm out. Let the moderates save the country from Trump, if they can.

Biden never made such a suggestion.

 

[btthegreat]

Biden is not the man he was, in 2008. Either we can believe what Biden says at face value, or we can assume he does not mean what he says at all. Both suggest we have a serious problem here. We need to do better than Biden, and we cannot try to drag this country too far to the left with our nominee, and expect people not to sit the election out.

Now I will vote for my dead worm eaten third cousin over Donald Trump, but others will not. They won't argue the point like the OP is. They just won't show up.

 

[SoCal]

If my vote is the deciding factor, America has bigger problems than Trump...

You represent tens of thousands of voters and America has no bigger problem than Trump.

Biden wasn't chosen by Obama to get black voters, he was chosen to get white voters. Yes, Biden was a mistake and I can give you a laundry list of reasons why...

I agree, I think he was chosen to attract moderates of all colors. You can bet Obama gave him a thorough vetting before he chose him. You may have a list of why he was a mistake, but I'll have to go with Obama's opinion on this.

I'm putting all my eggs in the basket of 'Anyone but Biden' for the Democratic nomination. If that fails, and I just sign up out of party loyalty, then I was never sincere in the first place.

Sorry, you can't guilt me into voting for Biden. Lay your burden at someone else's feet.

I wish the theoretically principled world you seem to live in were a reality. Even if they have to hold their noses, it's not party loyalty or guilt that will motivate non-cult members to vote for Biden. He may be our only alternative to Numnuts and most Democrats and moderates realize how each will effect America and the world so radically different.

I assume you didn't vote for Hillary on principle either. I hope you and your friend's 'principles' don't screw us over again. Look at your likely only two choices. Deep down you must know that America will be better served by Biden's principles than a racist authoritarian's 'principles'...

 

[Greenbeard]

Why did we go through 3-4 years of Trump to end up with Biden, someone who is demonstrably worse than the candidate who lost to Trump in 2016?

Because when you pass on the opportunity to makes things better, they generally get worse.

But this is the kind of thing you need to explain to people who don't understand that giving away the courts for a lifetime defeated many of their policy goals for much of the rest of their lives.

 

[Integrityrespec]

The 2016 election was a dumpster fire. I almost didn't vote, but ended up pulling for Clinton because she signed on to much of the platform Bernie wrote. And for a few other reasons.

I can't and won't vote for Biden under any circumstances. He's demonstrably worse than Clinton in every way. And yes, while Biden is better than Trump, the calculation is not sufficient to get me on Biden's team. What sealed it for me was the last debate.

His suggestion that black people don't know how to raise their children was just out-and-out racist, and his answer from then veered into an incoherent ramble on Venezuela. If this is the best Dems can do, I'm out. Let the moderates save the country from Trump, if they can.

Biden's incoherent ramble...

...

Nina Turner's epic response.

I just don't seem to get the damage Trump is supposedly doing to our country. Economically we are in great shape with a booming job market, unemployment at an all time low and numbes of folks employed at a high mark, espcially for black, hispanic and women in america, military is in great shape, Trump has over seen some reform in our judical system related to prison reform. He is attempting to control illegal immigration with the same methods that almost every democrat in congress has previously voted for from about 2008 to 2015. Now they deny any association with those policies.

 

[BrotherFease]

Biden surely doesn't believe "that black people don't know how to raise their children." Don't lend coherence to an incoherent remark, then use it as excuse to sit out the election and thereby support a guy who probably does believe it. Biden's strongest supporters are black people. I think they probably have a better reading on him than your post indicates you have.

I really don't see the issue with his remark. He was talking improving inner city education by more funding, higher teacher pay, and more excess to social workers. The socialist spin was he was branding all black parents as bad parents. His remarks were about low-income families and expanding their options.

But here's the thing: The OP was using socialist sources, and those sources already have an axe to grind with Biden, because he's isn't running as a progressive, but as a liberal-moderate. It's the same nonsense they had against Mrs. Clinton and Obama.

It's funny to see the left eat its own, because they have to have perfection. Biden is far from perfect, but he's somebody who can peal away at moderate voters. Heck he might even make me vote Democrat instead of voting for a third party candidate.