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Viral 9/11 truth-debunking blacksmith gets it all wrong[W:22][W:565]

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AE911Truth responds to Tye's mischaracterisation, exaggeration and disinformation.

Within the first two days of being posted, Tye’s video received five million views and was covered by the Washington Post, the Daily Mirror, and the Huffington Post — the latter with the celebratory headline, “Metal Worker Shuts Down 9/11 Truthers… With His Pinkie.”

In fact, Tye's attempt to disprove controlled demolition by heating a half-inch piece of steel to 1,800°F and bending it like a “noodle” is way off. He seems to think the controlled demolition argument goes like this, “Fire can’t melt steel, so the buildings couldn’t have collapsed from fire.” He couldn’t be more mistaken.

The only reason that melting steel is discussed at all is because government officials, engineers, first responders, and others observed large amounts of molten metal (requiring temperatures of more than 2,800°F) in the debris of all three buildings.

Tye’s sixth-grade-level demonstration that structural steel loses strength at 1,800°F does nothing to address the presence of molten metal at Ground Zero. If anything, Tye proves that the fires in the World Trade Center could not have generated the molten metal that witnesses saw. What did? The only plausible explanation is thermite, an incendiary that can be used to cut through structural steel.

Putting aside the molten metal, Tye’s demonstration is wholly irrelevant for the simple reason that the fires in the World Trade Center could not have heated the structure anywhere near as high as the 1,800°F to which Tye heated his piece of steel using a furnace.
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World Trade Center Building 7 Demolished on 9/11? - Debunker Debunked: Blacksmith Unwittingly Proves Controlled Demolition-AE911Truth Statement
 
re: Viral 9/11 truth-debunking blacksmith gets it all wrong[W:22]

Buck naked said:
AE911Truth responds to Tye's mischaracterisation, exaggeration and disinformation.

World Trade Center Building 7 Demolished on 9/11? - Debunker Debunked: Blacksmith Unwittingly Proves Controlled Demolition-AE911Truth Statement
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From your link....

Jet fuel fires reach temperatures of around 1,500°F only under optimal conditions. In open air conditions like the WTC buildings, they burn at around 600°F. Even according to the government agency that investigated the disaster, there is no evidence that any of the steel was heated to the point where it would lose its strength.

Intentional ignorance on display....

Jet fuel only burned for a short while.... Igniting fires that led to the destruction of the towers and WTC7. Fires that were more than sufficient to heat the steel.
 
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Trenton Tye looks much like Larry the Cable Guy to me. :lol:

The more intesting angle in this story to me is how quickly 3 msm outlets broadcast the story, demonstrating their well-demonstrated ignorance and political loyalties.

As for the thermite theory, it still does not address so many of the other observed anomalies at WTC. I have no doubt it was used, but it alone does not explain all the other strange things.
 
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Thoreau72 said:
Trenton Tye looks much like Larry the Cable Guy to me. :lol:

The more intesting angle in this story to me is how quickly 3 msm outlets broadcast the story, demonstrating their well-demonstrated ignorance and political loyalties.

As for the thermite theory, it still does not address so many of the other observed anomalies at WTC. I have no doubt it was used, but it alone does not explain all the other strange things.
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Tell him you believe mini-nukes.
 
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Steel is metal but metal is not necessarily steel.
 
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Fledermaus said:
From your link....

Jet fuel fires reach temperatures of around 1,500°F only under optimal conditions. In open air conditions like the WTC buildings, they burn at around 600°F. Even according to the government agency that investigated the disaster, there is no evidence that any of the steel was heated to the point where it would lose its strength.

Intentional ignorance on display....

Jet fuel only burned for a short while.... Igniting fires that led to the destruction of the towers and WTC7. Fires that were more than sufficient to heat the steel.
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Yea I don't get how people miss that stuff. A open air wood bonfire can exceed 2000 degrees let alone a fire in a mostly closed air building full of various flammable materials.
 
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SocialD said:
Yea I don't get how people miss that stuff. A open air wood bonfire can exceed 2000 degrees let alone a fire in a mostly closed air building full of various flammable materials.
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Folks like Buck tend to ignore details like that.
 
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SocialD said:
Yea I don't get how people miss that stuff. A open air wood bonfire can exceed 2000 degrees let alone a fire in a mostly closed air building full of various flammable materials.
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Yeah, the ventilation in closed buildings is so good, that is why blacksmiths use bellows. :roll:

psik
 
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psikeyhackr said:
Yeah, the ventilation in closed buildings is so good, that is why blacksmiths use bellows. :roll:

psik
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As to the towers, they had HUGE GAPING HOLES courtesy of the airliners.....

As to WTC7 it had a HUGE hole courtesy of one of the towers.... Add the broken windows... TADAAA Plenty of oxygen.



Why don't you model it?
 
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Fledermaus said:
Why don't you model it?
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What about if he modeled it for you then just let you see the screen captures from the model output, rather than the model inputs themselves. Would that be good enough for you?
 
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gerrycan said:
What about if he modeled it for you then just let you see the screen captures from the model output, rather than the model inputs themselves. Would that be good enough for you?
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Don't you have a report or two to misrepresent?
 
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gerrycan said:
What about if he modeled it for you then just let you see the screen captures from the model output, rather than the model inputs themselves. Would that be good enough for you?
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You mean like not sharing the thermite chips some claim they found.
 
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Fledermaus said:
Don't you have a report or two to misrepresent?
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Show me where I misrepresented anything.
 
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Fledermaus said:
The entire thread about WTC7.
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Perhaps you should respond there then. I note you still can't point to me misrepresenting anything specific.
 
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gerrycan said:
Perhaps you should respond there then. I note you still can't point to me misrepresenting anything specific.
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Can't respond on that thread.

And the entire thread in the recent weeks is a testimony to your misrepresentation.

As other posters have noted ad nauseum.

It appears the only person that does not think you are misrepresenting is you.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Stop bickering about each other and address the topic.
 
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Fledermaus said:
As to the towers, they had HUGE GAPING HOLES courtesy of the airliners.....

As to WTC7 it had a HUGE hole courtesy of one of the towers.... Add the broken windows... TADAAA Plenty of oxygen.

Why don't you model it?
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Huge gaping holes that had to serve as exhaust and intake.

That is not how car engines and blacksmith's furnaces are made is it? :lamo

psik
 
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psikeyhackr said:
Huge gaping holes that had to serve as exhaust and intake.
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So what?

They cannot do both?

Prove it.

psikeyhackr said:
That is not how car engines and blacksmith's furnaces are made is it? :lamo

psik
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But it is how fires hot enough to degrade the strength of steel occurred.

Do we need a blacksmith's furnace to heat steel to the point it has lost strength? No.

Do we need a car engine to heat steel to the point it has lost strength? No.

So, you have a point?

No?
 
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