Libertie76
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1.) false without the first there is no second. Fact
2.) didnt insult you, nice try
yes and that statement is false unless it breaks laws. Bigotry itself or even as motive is NOT a crime unless a crime is actually committed.
You could be MOTIVATED to punch a guy cause he is black but you DONT actually act on that so there would be ZERO crime if there was no action/
glad i could clear that mistake up for you again
3.) correct
4.) false according to LAW, facts and definition of crimes (not me)
5.) false according to LAW, facts and definition of crimes (not me)
6.) correct according to LAW, facts and definition of crimes (not me)
7.) now THAT is a failed insult that makes me laugh cause it shows how desperate you are to be right when facts prove you wrong and it shows your anger over being wrong. Im only trying to hel you. Getting angry and trying to attack me and fail wont work it only further exposure your lack of education of american law rights and crimes on this topic.
also ANOTHER example of your english disconnect . . who said i went to law school? seems you have a real habit of making things up and assumptions things that are completely wrong.
8.) thread history, links to laws facts and definitions all prove this lie wrong :shrug:
9.) this is a bold face lie you just posted, in ever claimed any such thing. If you disagree simply quote me saying the building was the victim. You will fail because you just made it up but id love to see you try lol. In your next post quote me saying that lie, thanks
10.) planning is an action, again, english
11.) as already proven it was a wrong assumption.
12.) yes a presumption, translation assumption based on your FEELINGS and nothing factual
13.) a suggestion that you cant back up with any logic or facts that is wrong. In this case laws dont do it. Hurt feelings and ignorance does.
14.) well good thing thats not happening so theres no cause or effect.
your post fails and facts win again
lets go over the facts
your statement was wrong and the factual answer to your question is yes
hate crime is not a thought crime and there are many other crimes that assess motive
lets see if you can admit it and lets see what you learned
your question was "Can you be charged with a hate crime without a bias towards the victims identity"
the factual answer is YES as proven by facts,law and the definition of the crime
do you still disagree with this fact? yes or no
1) 2nd means second crime. You're wrong
2) the motivation of the crime is a crime in hate crime. "Bigotry itself or even as motive is NOT a crime, unless a crime is actually committed." Two separate crimes
4) false it's your opinion of the law I'm basing my argument on, not fact
5) false it's your opinion if the law I'm basing my argument on, not fact
6) doesn't make sense, each charge against someone is a separate crime or else it's something called double jeopardy. You already admit this previously in the same post. Youre wrong
7) your snide insults and your counter arguments show your immaturity and how you never went to law school. Already known already proven
8) thread history doesn't prove anything of the nature, you're wrong it's just your interpretation
9) 1.) there is no victim of the "hate crime" the hate crime was done to property, " I never said it was a victiumless crime", implying the property is the victim since it's not a victimless crime
10) is a single person planning is an idea not action. You're wrong
11) wrong. Prior posts suggest differently not proven just your interpretation
12) wrong that's not the definition of perceive your translation is just your opinion not fact
13) refusing to say something is logical simply because you are a master of being able to twist words to support a non existent counter argument isn't the definition illogical, you're wrong. Laws don't divide people, opinion does besides for Jim Crow laws, I'm right and your wrong
14) your wrong it's based on fact. Bias with motivation is hate crime law, that's a thought crime, that's a fact. Facts win again
Let's go over your counter argument.
Your counter argument has absolutely no rational basis considering the question you are asking at this point could be over 20
There are many other crimes that asses level of motive to give punishment, but a hate crime is the only crime based solely on motive
Yes I do disagree with this, because it's not a fact. Your little hypothetical case didn't prove this to be untrue in the slightest, the definitions you attempted to use against me actually worked against you and you twisted words to try to proof your point
Wow look at that I just destroyed you