• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

USMA graduate speaks out

Thoreau72 said:
Unbridgeable Gap: Who We Were and Who We Thought We Were

Danny Sjursen speaks out after seeing Mideast first hand.

Any thoughts?
Click to expand...

Americans don't know it and when they read it they think it is a lie. Simple minded morons conditioned to accept the MSM agenda even if it flies in the face of reality. And they're very proud that they can repeat every word of thsoe propaganda telecasts. They feel educated. What a hoot. But, how do we wake them up?
/
 
Thoreau72 said:
Unbridgeable Gap: Who We Were and Who We Thought We Were

Danny Sjursen speaks out after seeing Mideast first hand.

Any thoughts?
Click to expand...

Thoreau72:

Major Sjursen wrote a well composed, poignant and thought-provoking opinion piece which Americans should all read and consider. Hopefully more veterans of the Post-9/11 Forever-War will follow his example and build a loud and forceful movement to educate American voters about the realities of US militarism and the true costs of maintaining global military hegemony by destabilisation in a time of economic decline for America. Such writing and speech may be the only antidote for the fear-mongering, dehumanisation, demonisation, propaganda and outright lying which drive the American public's acceptance (and even appetite and celebration) of nearly-constant war in the service of American interests and US foreign policy. Such stark and evocative writing as this is a necessary anti-toxin to the venomous vain-glory and ignorant bravado which poisons the US body-politic into inaction and sustains such harmful US militarism and which is also paupering the US tax-payers and their debt-ridden republic.

There is still time for America to reform and to transition from a monopolar military superpower destined to collapse under the weight and expense of its own military commitments, into a cooperative international partner for world peace and global security through common cause and common action.

I wish Major Sjursen well and hope that more Americans listen to and read what he has to say. I will also look up his podcasts to give them a listen.

Thank you for posting this.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Last edited:
Evilroddy said:
Thoreau72:

Sjursen wrote a well composed, poignant and thought-provoking opinion piece which Americans should all read and consider. Hopefully more veterans of the Post-9/11 Forever-War will follow his example and build a loud and forceful movement to educate American voters about the realities of US militarism and the true costs of maintaining global military hegemony by destabilisation in a time of economic decline for America. Such writing and speech may be the only antidote for the fear-mongering, dehumanisation, demonisation, propaganda and outright lying which drive the American public's acceptance (and even appetite and celebration) of nearly-constant war in the service of American interests and US foreign policy. Such stark and evocative writing as this is a necessary anti-toxin to the venomous vain-glory and ignorant bravado which poisons the US body-politic into inaction and sustains such harmful US militarism and which is also paupering the US tax-payers and their debt-ridden republic.

There is still time for America to reform and to transition from a monopolar military superpower destined to collapse under the weight and expense of its own military commitments, into a cooperative international partner for world peace and global security through common cause and common action.

I wish Sjursen well and hope more listen to and read what he has to say. I will also look up his podcasts to give them a listen.

Thank you for posting this.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
Click to expand...

Would be no problem if we didn't have places like Russia (invading and annexing Crimea, etc.), China (building artificial island in international waters for military purpose), Iran (getting ready to test their nuclear supplies), NK (actually testing their nuclear supplies), ISIS (turning the world upside-down), etc.

Each time the receiving-end country was looking at the US of A for help.
 
DaveFagan said:
Americans don't know it and when they read it they think it is a lie. Simple minded morons conditioned to accept the MSM agenda even if it flies in the face of reality. And they're very proud that they can repeat every word of thsoe propaganda telecasts. They feel educated. What a hoot. But, how do we wake them up?
/
Click to expand...

Dave Fagan:

By more veterans doing what Major Sjursen did and does. Counteracting the pro-military spin with a powerful peer-to-peers social media campaign that challenges and disproves the lies with veterans' personal experiences and their great authority as witnesses to the true nature of militarism in the 21st Century. Major Sjursen and vocal veterans like him are a big part of the solution and their willingness to speak truth in the face of power is as important to America's long-term security as their willingness to stand firm and to risk life and limb in order to defend against foreign aggression, should it ever come to American shores.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Barnacle said:
Would be no problem if we didn't have places like Russia (invading and annexing Crimea, etc.), China (building artificial island in international waters for military purpose), Iran (getting ready to test their nuclear supplies), NK (actually testing their nuclear supplies), ISIS (turning the world upside-down), etc.

Each time the receiving-end country was looking at the US of A for help.
Click to expand...

Barnacle:

Or we could look at these conflicts and potential flash-points more carefully, analyse what is really going on and then use statesmanship and cooperative diplomacy to find non-military ways to defuse the tensions before going to the military tool-box right away in order to bludgeon other nations into conformity with US interests and diktats.

Why did Russia seize and annex Crimea and entangle the rest of Ukraine into a civil war? Why is China building up its naval and littoral anti-access defensive capability and constructing artificial islands while at the same time building a massive Eurasian land transportion system infrastructure and a rival global financial structure which are more immune from American/Western military and financial interdiction? Why is Iran developing longer range and more accurate medium-range missiles and buying sophisticated SAM and air-defence systems from Russia? Why is North Korea developing ICBM's and both atomic and hydrogen-bombs when South Korea does not have such capabilities? They all are doing this in order to give their countries a measure of security from foreign military intervention by the USA, its allies or its proxies. Why was ISIL able to grow so rapidly from 2006 to 2014 and then explode out of Syria into Iraq? Answering these questions in the light of understanding US militarism and its destabilising effects may provide better methods of managing international tensions than just blowing s**t up, killing people and collapsing states into anarchy and civil unrest.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Last edited:
Evilroddy said:
Barnacle:

Or we could look at these conflicts and potential flash-points more carefully, analyse what is really going on and then use statesmanship and cooperative diplomacy to find non-military ways to defuse the tensions before going to the military tool-box right away in order to bludgeon other nations into conformity with US interests and diktats.

Why did Russia seize and annex Crimea and entangle the rest of Ukraine into a civil war? Why is China building up its naval and littoral anti-access defensive capability and constructing artificial islands while at the same time building a massive Eurasian land transportion system infrastructure and a rival global financial structure which are more immune from American/Western military and financial interdiction? Why is Iran developing longer range and more accurate medium-range missiles and buying sophisticated SAM and air-defence systems from Russia? Why is North Korea developing ICBM's and both atomic and hydrogen-bombs when South Korea does not have such capabilities? They all are doing this in order to give their countries a measure of security from foreign military intervention by the USA, its allies or its proxies. Why was ISIL able to grow so rapidly from 2006 to 2014 and then explode out of Syria into Iraq? Answering these questions in the light of understanding US militarism and its destabilising effects may provide better methods of managing international tensions than just blowing s**t up, killing people and collapsing states into anarchy and civil unrest.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
Click to expand...

It's interesting how the one thing that at Conspiracy theory true believers have in common is that they blame the USA for everything wrong in the world. I see that you are no different. Yes NK would be a peaceful country and not be building weapons of destruction if it went for the US never mind their declared goal of of taking over south Korea. Yes Iran would not be building weapons of mass destruction of it went for the US never mind their goal of wiping out Isreal.

How about you explain how exactly it is the US'S fault that Russia decided to invade it's neighbors.

Or how the US is forcing China to try and claim more and more parts of the China Sea and building military bases on islands that are not theirs.

When you look at the world through a blame America for everything lense it leads on to some pretty out there ideas.
 
Evilroddy said:
Barnacle:

Or we could look at these conflicts and potential flash-points more carefully, analyse what is really going on and then use statesmanship and cooperative diplomacy to find non-military ways to defuse the tensions before going to the military tool-box right away in order to bludgeon other nations into conformity with US interests and diktats.

Why did Russia seize and annex Crimea and entangle the rest of Ukraine into a civil war? Why is China building up its naval and littoral anti-access defensive capability and constructing artificial islands while at the same time building a massive Eurasian land transportion system infrastructure and a rival global financial structure which are more immune from American/Western military and financial interdiction? Why is Iran developing longer range and more accurate medium-range missiles and buying sophisticated SAM and air-defence systems from Russia? Why is North Korea developing ICBM's and both atomic and hydrogen-bombs when South Korea does not have such capabilities? They all are doing this in order to give their countries a measure of security from foreign military intervention by the USA, its allies or its proxies. Why was ISIL able to grow so rapidly from 2006 to 2014 and then explode out of Syria into Iraq? Answering these questions in the light of understanding US militarism and its destabilising effects may provide better methods of managing international tensions than just blowing s**t up, killing people and collapsing states into anarchy and civil unrest.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
Click to expand...

Nice post. Like a hammer upside the head. Unfortunately, you will find you need a much bigger hammer. Hammerheads are hard. Not much gets through. Laughable and pathetic at the same time.
/
 
DaveFagan said:
Nice post. Like a hammer upside the head. Unfortunately, you will find you need a much bigger hammer. Hammerheads are hard. Not much gets through. Laughable and pathetic at the same time.
/
Click to expand...

How unsurprising that two anti American posters would agree that America is to blame for all that's wrong with the world
 
braindrain said:
How unsurprising that two anti American posters would agree that America is to blame for all that's wrong with the world
Click to expand...

Braindrain:

I can't speak to the motives of others but in my case what you describe as anti-Americanism is actually anti-militarism and anti-imperialism. These themes were expressed by many fiercely loyal Americans including your first president, George Washington, in his departing letter to the American people after his second term as president, by Thomas Jefferson, by James Madison, and later by famous members of the Anti-Imperialist League such as William Jennings Bryan and the popular humorist and fervent anti-imperialist Mark Twain (aka Samuel Longhorn Clemens). I will include a link to a famous essay written in 1901 IIRC by Twain regarding the emergence of US imperialism and the use of militarism to back up that new colonial project undertaken by America after 1898 on foreign shores.

https://shsamstud.pbworks.com/f/To+the+person+sitting+darkness.pdf

One need not be anti-Americcan to be a critic of American imperialism and American militarism in the 20th and 21st centuries. Sometimes the best friends you can have are the ones who will speak blunt truth to you even when the truth is the last thing you yourself want to hear. So feel free to cast aspersions on me and my motives if you so wish. I know why I say the things I do and why I speak publicly about them and they are born out of a love and respect for the USA, its people and its "small-r" republican traditions which are being trampled underfoot by militaristic imperialists today.

My mum was a US Army nurse from 1942-1945 and she was stationed in Britain, in France and later in Germany during and immediately after WWII. She was fiercely proud of her country and her fellow countrymen but she was also unable to accept the corruption and institutional violence which came with de facto empire by her country. When she returned to New York after the war she was both a vehement anti-communist and an equally vehement anti-imperialist, because she saw no real qualitative difference between the motives and means of both the Soviet and American empires, except for the flavour of their rhetoric. She hated the communists more because of their open disregard for killing and displacing millions in the pursuit of their empire but also despised American militarism and imperialism for the millions it made miserable, impoverished and killed both directly and indirectly.

So think what you will about me and why I say what I do. I can't change peoples' minds who are so deeply invested in their own militarism, imperialism and exceptionalism that they are blind to others' visions of what is going on. However other viewers here may read, think and begin to understand my point of view and become a little more aware of the bill of goods which they are being sold daily by cynical politicians, bloody-minded militarists and hawkish military officers in the service of imperialism and maintaining the multi-faceted hegemony of the post-WWII Grand Area Doctrine.

Perhaps you yourself could take some time and read Mark Twain's scathing and satirical essay on US policy regarding the Boer War, the Chinese Boxer Rebellion, the Spanish-American War, the Moro War and the crushing of Filipino independence by the nascent US Empire at the dawn of the 20th Century. Even if you reject it, it is always better to study and understand your potential enemy, in preparation for the inevitable engagement between you both.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Last edited:
Evilroddy said:
Braindrain:

I can't speak to the motives of others but in my case what you describe as anti-Americanism is actually anti-militarism and anti-imperialism. These themes were expressed by many fiercely loyal Americans including your first president, George Washington, in his departing letter to the American people after his second term as president, by Thomas Jefferson, by James Madison, and later by famous members of the Anti-Imperialist League such as William Jennings Bryan and the popular humorist and fervent anti-imperialist Mark Twain (aka Samuel Longhorn Clemens). I will include a link to a famous essay written in 1901 IIRC by Twain regarding the emergence of US imperialism and the use of militarism to back up that new colonial project undertaken by America after 1898 on foreign shores.

https://shsamstud.pbworks.com/f/To+the+person+sitting+darkness.pdf

One need not be anti-Americcan to be a critic of American imperialism and American militarism in the 20th and 21st centuries. Sometimes the best friends you can have are the ones who will speak blunt truth to you even when the truth is the last thing you yourself want to hear. So feel free to cast aspersions on me and my motives if you so wish. I know why I say the things I do and why I speak publicly about them and they are born out of a love and respect for the USA, its people and its "small-r" republican traditions which are being trampled underfoot by militaristic imperialists today.

My mum was a US Army nurse from 1942-1945 and she was stationed in Britain, in France and later in Germany during and immediately after WWII. She was fiercely proud of her country and her fellow countrymen but she was also unable to accept the corruption and institutional violence which came with de facto empire by her country. When she returned to New York after the war she was both a vehement anti-communist and an equally vehement anti-imperialist, because she saw no real qualitative difference between the motives and means of both the Soviet and American empires, except for the flavour of their rhetoric. She hated the communists more because of their open disregard for killing and displacing millions in the pursuit of their empire but also despised American militarism and imperialism for the millions it made miserable, impoverished and killed both directly and indirectly.

So think what you will about me and why I say what I do. I can't change peoples' minds who are so deeply invested in their own militarism, imperialism and exceptionalism that they are blind to others' visions of what is going on. However other viewers here may read, think and begin to understand my point of view and become a little more aware of the bill of goods which they are being sold daily by cynical politicians, bloody-minded militarists and hawkish military officers in the service of imperialism and maintaining the multi-faceted hegemony of the post-WWII Grand Area Doctrine.

Perhaps you yourself could take some time and read Mark Twain's scathing and satirical essay on US policy regarding the Boer War, the Chinese Boxer Rebellion, the Spanish-American War, the Moro War and the crushing of Filipino independence by the nascent US Empire at the dawn of the 20th Century. Even if you reject it, it is always better to study and understand your potential enemy, in preparation for the inevitable engagement between you both.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
Click to expand...
You can claim what ever reasoning you want for your theories. It really doesn't matter. But when you start saying things like American imperialism and blaming America for everything wrong with the world it proves that the main reason you believe in those theories is because of your hate for America. The rest is just window dressing.
 
Indeed, the exclusive focus on the United States makes the criticism of USA a fragment of the whole. The multiplicity of justifications and apologies for the actions of the strategic competitors of the United States are hopelessly biased while submerging any attention to those competitors. That Trump is the only person the critics can find to pursue their isolationism or their desire to cripple the USA globally reveals both their own one-sided purpose, goal, means, and their openness to rule by the strategic competitors of the United States. For these reasons and more these posts to many threads over much time go nowhere. The single minded focus against the United States is both self revealing and self defeating. There's no credibility to any of it.
 
Evilroddy said:
Barnacle:

Or we could look at these conflicts and potential flash-points more carefully, analyse what is really going on and then use statesmanship and cooperative diplomacy to find non-military ways to defuse the tensions before going to the military tool-box right away in order to bludgeon other nations into conformity with US interests and diktats.

Why did Russia seize and annex Crimea and entangle the rest of Ukraine into a civil war? Why is China building up its naval and littoral anti-access defensive capability and constructing artificial islands while at the same time building a massive Eurasian land transportion system infrastructure and a rival global financial structure which are more immune from American/Western military and financial interdiction? Why is Iran developing longer range and more accurate medium-range missiles and buying sophisticated SAM and air-defence systems from Russia? Why is North Korea developing ICBM's and both atomic and hydrogen-bombs when South Korea does not have such capabilities? They all are doing this in order to give their countries a measure of security from foreign military intervention by the USA, its allies or its proxies. Why was ISIL able to grow so rapidly from 2006 to 2014 and then explode out of Syria into Iraq? Answering these questions in the light of understanding US militarism and its destabilising effects may provide better methods of managing international tensions than just blowing s**t up, killing people and collapsing states into anarchy and civil unrest.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
Click to expand...

Because Vladimir Putin sees nothing wrong with carving land off his neighbors to harness nationalist tendencies to support his own regime while he blithely goes about whacking anyone who dares say anything remotely negative about his regime.

Because the Chinese have alienated all their neighbors via their constant acts of aggression and don’t want to be vulnerable to Western intervention when they move against their neighbors in force.

Because the Iranians don’t want the United States to topple their little despotism.

Because the North Koreans want to ensure that they can brutally annex their southern neighbor down the line and see nukes as the perfect weapon to ensure that happens.

Because poor poor Saddam wasn’t around to mass murder the Kurds and give ISIS death squads jobs.
 
Mycroft said:
This guy must like Trump since Trump's aim is to get out of the mess.
Click to expand...

In case you haven't figured it out yet, Trump speaks with forked tongue. :mrgreen: Just as there are men behind the scenes who give him instructions to DO NOT CONGRATULATE, there are men who tell him what to do with his toy soldiers.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Yep. You lost me right-off when I saw InformationClearingHouse.com in the url bar.

5-alarm Conspiracy website.
Click to expand...

I knew I would. I'm getting pretty good at recognizing cognitive dissonance in some posters. They will not read anything from a source that threatens their worldview.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom