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US to lift ban on elephant hunting trophy imports

Which is in part why many species of animal became endangered. The same in the US. Largely from habitat destruction from farmers like yourself.

Farming does deplete a certain amount of wildlife habitat, not as much as commercial or residential development, however. And, certainly no one looks at farming or other means of development as a "sport" where they're getting the best of an animal...just because they can.


And as a non meat eater.. you actually account for much more animal death. Since you don't eat meat particularly meat that you have hunted. .. you must rely in farming.. largely intensive farming.. which causes more harm to the environment and animal populations.

Now, you're just making me laugh. We already discussed how, while it is unfortunate, that some animals will die in order for humans to eat. Farming isn't a sport. No one enjoys harming the environment. In fact, we have laws in place that help prevent farmers from doing just that. Conservation laws.


You don't know what sport hunting is. Sport hunting also requires the hunting for food.. unless you are talking about predator hunting or pest control. That elephant went to feed probably a whole village. And it also provided valuable money for that village AND it also decreased the destruction by elephants.. etc.

The above emboldened sentence is untrue. Look up the definition of "sport hunting."

I'm not saying that there are not valuable "side effects" to hunting. Laws, like the one you cite about feeding the villagers is obviously beneficial, but big game hunters spend enough money on their licenses to purchase as much, or more, food for the villagers, so don't pretend they're doing it out of a sense of charity.

They're in it for "the kill." They're in it for the primal sense of power they get when a high-powered bullet rips through the animal's thick hide and brings it to its knees. They thrill to the feeling of power they get as the animal shudders and sucks its last breaths on this earth.

Trophy hunters are no different from gangbangers who stalk one another, waiting for the sense of power they get when they're able to get when they empty a clip into the home of a rival gang member.

But, take any of them and put them at the business end of a gun and I guarantee you that they'll cry and wet themselves like toddlers.

Anyone who thrills to the kill, is not a man. He's a danger to society and should be watched very closely.
 
Why should I, the joke obviously went over your head. Judging by the response from the gun huggers, I would say I hit a nerve.

Really, the only joke is your post lacking any factual information.
 
Farming does deplete a certain amount of wildlife habitat, not as much as commercial or residential development, however. And, certainly no one looks at farming or other means of development as a "sport" where they're getting the best of an animal...just because they can.
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It still depletes the amount of wildlife habitat.. and on top of that reliance on agriculture for all your protein means that you need roads to go to all the places that you cannot grow the proteins that you need. Which means more habitat loss.. not to mention more cars.. more need for fossil fuels.. so on and so forth.

Now, you're just making me laugh. We already discussed how, while it is unfortunate, that some animals will die in order for humans to eat. Farming isn't a sport. No one enjoys harming the environment. In fact, we have laws in place that help prevent farmers from doing just that. Conservation laws.

First its not unfortunate that animals will die in order for humans to eat. Particularly when its through hunting. Its way better for the environment. Second.. hunting is not a sport... its not badminton. Its a culture.. is way deeper than putting a ball through a hoop.

And we have laws that prevent farmers from ruining the land.. Conservation laws.. that were put into place largely because of the efforts of hunters.

The above emboldened sentence is untrue. Look up the definition of "sport hunting."

Its completely true. All states have laws on "waste of game". It means that any animal you harvest (except predators etc) you have to take the meat and make use of it. You cannot simply let it lie or waste it. Even taking it home and then throwing it out is a waste of game and is an offense.

Laws, like the one you cite about feeding the villagers is obviously beneficial, but big game hunters spend enough money on their licenses to purchase as much, or more, food for the villagers, so don't pretend they're doing it out of a sense of charity

Actually the meat is an added bonus to the villagers.. as is the money paid for the hunt itself. Just hunting an elephant runs 20-30 thousand or more for 14 days. to be honest.. most of the hunters would love to be taking that meat home.. but there is simply logistics problems from trying to transport elephant meat or kudu, or impala back to the states without spoiling or huge regulatory issues...

They're in it for "the kill." They're in it for the primal sense of power they get when a high-powered bullet rips through the animal's thick hide and brings it to its knees. They thrill to the feeling of power they get as the animal shudders and sucks its last breaths on this earth.

Nope.. not true. Sorry but that's your somewhat "sick" fantasy. In fact.. having pulled the trigger on many an animal.. there is definitely the elation of a successful hunt.. all the difficulties.. and the beauty of being outdoors.. and the sense of being part of nature and doing what we humans are.. which is hunters. but there is also a respect for the animal.. the understanding that a life was taken. A responsibility there.

I get it.. you don't understand that piece... you rather be ignorant and live a lifestyle that actually HARMS the environment and feel superior to people that hunt. But the reality is.. if it was all about the kill.. hunting would not exist. Because success rates on hunting.. often hover in the 20 percent or less.

Many hunters do not harvest a deer every year. About one third of Ohio’s deer hunters kill a deer in any year. So, you are not alone if you didn’t bag a buck or doe this year.
that's in a state with a lot of deer and a high success rate. Obviously.. something more important than the "kill" is going on with a success rate that low.

Trophy hunters are no different from gangbangers who stalk one another, waiting for the sense of power they get when they're able to get when they empty a clip into the home of a rival gang member.

Yawn.. look.. you are comparing my father a retired school teacher who is a pillar of the community with a "gangbanger". You realize your premise has no credibility.

But, take any of them and put them at the business end of a gun and I guarantee you that they'll cry and wet themselves like toddlers.

Yeah.. I figure my uncle who hunts.. did enough time getting shot at in Vietnam. to disprove your theory. As does tens of thousands of service men and women who hunt..


Anyone who thrills to the kill, is not a man. He's a danger to society and should be watched very closely.

\Hmmm.. when I see posts like this.. I think.. "gee that fellow is kind of disturbed.. seriously.. why does he view his fellow citizens.. the deacon of the church, the local hairdresser, the principle of the school.. as a "danger to society" because the person likes to hunt?
 
The emboldened part above indicates some sort of throwback to caveman or jungle days. Pretending one still has to do that to survive is a practice in self-deception. In my opinion.

If you must hunt for food -- fine -- we all have to survive. But, to hunt for trophies -- to kill for "sport" indicates a less-evolved sort of a person. Anyone who actually enjoys the kill, has a screw loose. A big one.
That loose screw has been found to be a common link in serial killers and others who graduate from killing animals to killing humans. It's aberrant behavior.

You don't have to believe me -- do your own research.

I'm not talking about the old Indian who hunted for food and then, because he understood that a life was precious, used virtually every bit of the animal for something useful. I'm talking about the people who kill for "sport." Because, at the end of the day -- those are incredibly sick ****ers.

Its kind of funny.. you view of hunters and modern day hunters. Oh.. and so wrong.

So lets start with native americans. When they hunted for food.. they were not interested in "ethical hunting".. as the modern hunter is today.. there was no such thing as "fair chase" as there is today. Today.. hunters restrict themselves to only certain weapons and techniques that create a fair chase situation for the animals. In subsistence hunting.. Native Americans used poison, they set the forest on fire to drive animals into slaughter areas, they drove whole herds over cliffs. And if there was more killed than they could carry, eat or preserve.. it was left to rot. In fact.. they did not pursue and kill the old bull/buck that had outlived his benefit to the herd.. they killed the young fat cow/doe that was pregnant because it was the best eating, had the most fat.

In todays modern world of hunting.. hunters utilize fair chase.. restricting themselves to weapons that can make a clean kill, but that don't give too much advantage. (for example you can't use rangefinding scopes in most states),
And they limit their hunting to controlled hunting for animals during season and restrictions set by biologists to develop and maintain healthy herds and a balanced ecosystem. And in fact.. there are times when a population needs to be reduced and the biologists have a tough time convincing hunters to take young does out of the herd despite having more "opportunity to kill".

Sorry sir but you lack understanding of the history of hunting.. of modern hunting ethics and pretty much this whole subject,.
 
Its kind of funny.. you view of hunters and modern day hunters. Oh.. and so wrong.

So lets start with native americans. When they hunted for food.. they were not interested in "ethical hunting".. as the modern hunter is today.. there was no such thing as "fair chase" as there is today. Today.. hunters restrict themselves to only certain weapons and techniques that create a fair chase situation for the animals. In subsistence hunting.. Native Americans used poison, they set the forest on fire to drive animals into slaughter areas, they drove whole herds over cliffs. And if there was more killed than they could carry, eat or preserve.. it was left to rot. In fact.. they did not pursue and kill the old bull/buck that had outlived his benefit to the herd.. they killed the young fat cow/doe that was pregnant because it was the best eating, had the most fat.

In todays modern world of hunting.. hunters utilize fair chase.. restricting themselves to weapons that can make a clean kill, but that don't give too much advantage. (for example you can't use rangefinding scopes in most states),
And they limit their hunting to controlled hunting for animals during season and restrictions set by biologists to develop and maintain healthy herds and a balanced ecosystem. And in fact.. there are times when a population needs to be reduced and the biologists have a tough time convincing hunters to take young does out of the herd despite having more "opportunity to kill".

Sorry sir but you lack understanding of the history of hunting.. of modern hunting ethics and pretty much this whole subject,.

None of what you've said is justification, and most of what you've said doesn't make a lick of sense.

Bottom line, you're never going to convince me that a desire to kill something is anything other than a mental illness. I don't care how difficult (or scary, oooohhh) hunting might be, if it's done for the pleasure of killing -- it's a sign of an aberrant mind, in my opinion.

All the silly stuff about conservation, herd control and feeding tribes is nothing more than an attempt to justify the unjustifiable.

If someone must hunt to eat -- so be eat. But, if someone views hunting as a sport, or enjoys killing just because it's killing, in my book, that person is one sick ****.

You don't have to keep coming up with excuses -- that's all they are. And, you don't even make good excuses, they're pretty much all lame, and errant as well.

I understand there are those who enjoy the hunt and the kill. Thing is - they're not the kind of people I care to associate with.

I sleep very well at night.

I trust you have your own ways of getting to sleep.
 
None of what you've said is justification, and most of what you've said doesn't make a lick of sense.

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Actually not only does it make sense.. its verified by science. oh and history.

If someone must hunt to eat -- so be eat. But, if someone views hunting as a sport, or enjoys killing just because it's killing, in my book, that person is one sick ****.

You don't have to keep coming up with excuses -- that's all they are. And, you don't even make good excuses, they're pretty much all lame, and errant as well.

I am not making excuses for anything. The only difference when it comes to killing is that I take responsibility for it.. and you don't.

I sleep very well at night too. Dreaming of my next African hunt.
 
I don't like killing for sport if the animal isn't eaten, but I'm not sure I'd go quite so far as some in condemning it...



That's especially true if they have killed some deer. I had the misfortune of living in New Jersey for 4 years, and the place was utterly overrun. Why, a good friend of mine had his car repaired after a deer lept in front of him, and on the way back from the repair shop, another deer lept out into the street.
 
Dreaming of my next African hunt.

That single sentence told me everything I needed to know.

All the cartwheels you've been turning -- trying to justify the thrill of the kill. All the excuses that never sounded honest to begin with. All the defensiveness and attacks.

And, all the time I was waiting for the truth to come out. You dream of killing. You lust for it. It's as much a part of you as it is the gangbanger on the streets of Chicago that can't wait for his buddies to come along and witness his kill.

Seriously, not a bit deal, dude. We all evolve at different rates. Some of us have learned to respect life and some of us still function as the cavemen did.

Have a great hunt.

Sometimes you get the elephant.
Sometimes the elephant gets you.

LOL
 
That single sentence told me everything I needed to know.

All the cartwheels you've been turning -- trying to justify the thrill of the kill. All the excuses that never sounded honest to begin with. All the defensiveness and attacks.

And, all the time I was waiting for the truth to come out. You dream of killing. You lust for it. It's as much a part of you as it is the gangbanger on the streets of Chicago that can't wait for his buddies to come along and witness his kill.

Seriously, not a bit deal, dude. We all evolve at different rates. Some of us have learned to respect life and some of us still function as the cavemen did.

Have a great hunt.

Sometimes you get the elephant.
Sometimes the elephant gets you.

LOL

Nope.. I have already explained.. I KNOW why I hunt.. and its not just about "the thrill of the kill". Cripes.. if it were.. I would take up golf.. since the success rate for a much of the big game I hunt is about 20% or less.

So let me ask you.. if its just about the thrill of the kill. Why do I and other hunters hunt year after year.. and yet not kill the big game animal we are hunting?

Why have I passed up animals I could legally have killed for the last three years?

Can you answer that?

How does that fit in with me being "the same as a gangbanger on the street"?:2razz:

No big deal man.. I just like to see you floundering to answer.
 
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I don't like killing for sport if the animal isn't eaten, but I'm not sure I'd go quite so far as some in condemning it...



That's especially true if they have killed some deer. I had the misfortune of living in New Jersey for 4 years, and the place was utterly overrun. Why, a good friend of mine had his car repaired after a deer lept in front of him, and on the way back from the repair shop, another deer lept out into the street.

In almost all cases its against the law to waste game (not eat it).. unless its a predator or varmint.
 
I don't like killing for sport if the animal isn't eaten, but I'm not sure I'd go quite so far as some in condemning it...



That's especially true if they have killed some deer. I had the misfortune of living in New Jersey for 4 years, and the place was utterly overrun. Why, a good friend of mine had his car repaired after a deer lept in front of him, and on the way back from the repair shop, another deer lept out into the street.

The meat from most African hunts is given to the locals. In some cases, folks wouldn't have meat in their diet without the hunts.
 
The meat from most African hunts is given to the locals. In some cases, folks wouldn't have meat in their diet without the hunts.

that's true-albeit it was 41 years ago when I was in Africa (Kenya) but other than a hyenas we shot that were killing Masai cattle and a porcupine my brother drilled, everything we shot, from Francolin partridge to Kudu and wildebeest was eaten. we didn't shoot any animals that were not edible (no Zebra, no cats, etc)
 
that's true-albeit it was 41 years ago when I was in Africa (Kenya) but other than a hyenas we shot that were killing Masai cattle and a porcupine my brother drilled, everything we shot, from Francolin partridge to Kudu and wildebeest was eaten. we didn't shoot any animals that were not edible (no Zebra, no cats, etc)

I went on a hunt in South Africa about years ago where we took down game with a tranquilizer gun. We would pose with the animal and a prop rifle, get a few pictures, then back off to a safe distance and watch the animal recover from the tranquilizer and run away (pissed off, obviously...lol).

The chief guide served in the Rhodesian Light Infantry and the South African Defense Force; that alone made the trip worth it.
 

just so you know.. the law is there because hunters put that into the law. Its part of the ethical standards of hunting, the pretty much now is required of all new hunters to learn.
 
Nope.. I have already explained.. I KNOW why I hunt.. and its not just about "the thrill of the kill". Cripes.. if it were.. I would take up golf.. since the success rate for a much of the big game I hunt is about 20% or less.

So let me ask you.. if its just about the thrill of the kill. Why do I and other hunters hunt year after year.. and yet not kill the big game animal we are hunting?

Why have I passed up animals I could legally have killed for the last three years?

Can you answer that?

How does that fit in with me being "the same as a gangbanger on the street"?:2razz:

No big deal man.. I just like to see you floundering to answer.



Your words -- " Dreaming of my next African hunt."

You can't take that back -- that says everything we need to know. You DREAM of killing.

You own words sink you. I needn't say anything.

Who knows why you pass up some opportunities to hunt? Why would you even ask something that silly? I assume it's because you lack the funds to go. We know you "dream" about it so it's probably a financial hurdle -- or you have a hard time rounding up others.

Who cares?

And, why do you feel the need to keep making excusing for doing something you dream about?
 
Hunters are some of the most ecologically aware people around. They want their children to be able to do the same and come to understand the importance of sustainable populations. The first conservation society in America was duck hunters.
 
Hunters are some of the most ecologically aware people around. They want their children to be able to do the same and come to understand the importance of sustainable populations. The first conservation society in America was duck hunters.

Hahahahaha...
 
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