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US makes deal with Mexico on tariffs, immigration, Trump announces

trixare4kids said:
Omg,... so done here.
It got done today, RAMOSS.
NO tariffs; good for the USA and MX.
Obviously, you have no idea how much both countries depend on one another for trade.

MX. is mandated to house political asylees from S. America or face economical repercussions. That must really chap your hide that MX. has to do their part to keep our country from becoming overburdened by the migrant surge.
Elections have consequences; The USA does not bow to Mexico. Make a note of it.
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Why does this sound quite a lot like the marvellous deal that Mr. Trump negotiated with both Canada and Mexico on the steel and aluminum tariffs.

Both Canada and Mexico had announced that they would remove their highly unjust and unfair tariffs on American steel and aluminum if the US removed its completely justified tariffs on Canadian and Mexican steel and aluminum.

After intensive negotiations Mr. Trump forced the Canadian and Mexican governments to remove their highly unjust and unfair tariffs on American steel and aluminum and all he had to give them as an insubstantial sop to their inflated national egos was the removal of the American tariffs on steel and aluminum.

Mr. Trump's outstanding negotiating skills are on a par with the flying skills of a cannonball dropped down a well.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Why does this sound quite a lot like the marvellous deal that Mr. Trump negotiated with both Canada and Mexico on the steel and aluminum tariffs.

Both Canada and Mexico had announced that they would remove their highly unjust and unfair tariffs on American steel and aluminum if the US removed its completely justified tariffs on Canadian and Mexican steel and aluminum.

After intensive negotiations Mr. Trump forced the Canadian and Mexican governments to remove their highly unjust and unfair tariffs on American steel and aluminum and all he had to give them as an insubstantial sop to their inflated national egos was the removal of the American tariffs on steel and aluminum.

Mr. Trump's outstanding negotiating skills are on a par with the flying skills of a cannonball dropped down a well.
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You Canadiens come up with the best sarcastic smack! :thumbs:
 
slick said:
Trumps tariffs working magic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.413089f0d706

Mexico aims to avoid tariffs with potential deal limiting migrants going north, allowing U.S. to deport Central American asylum seekers.

Faced with Trump’s threat to impose steadily rising tariffs on goods imported from Mexico beginning Monday, Mexican officials have pledged to deploy up to 6,000 national guard troops to the area of the country’s border with Guatemala, a show of force they say will immediately reduce the number of Central Americans heading north toward the U.S. border.

The plan, a sweeping overhaul of asylum rules across the region, would require Central American migrants to seek refuge
in the first country they enter after leaving their homeland, the two officials said. For Guatemalans, that would be Mexico.
For migrants from Honduras and El Salvador, that would be Guatemala, whose government held talks last week with
acting Homeland Security secretary Kevin McAleenan.

Any migrants who made it to the U.S. border generally would be deported to the appropriate third country. And any
migrants who express a fear of death or torture in their home country would be subjected to a tougher screening
standard by U.S. asylum officers more likely to result in rejection.

You would have thought even the Democrats would be disgusted enough to curb the 400,000 illegals arriving
here in the last three months, but realizing they would not budge Trump pulled another victory out from the
jaws of defeat single-handedly!
Hampered by open border Democrats & Republicans Trump makes an end round around them all. Winning again!
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What a great article.

I wonder how the managed to miss the minor point that the Mexicans refused to agree to enter a SFCA agreement with the US and that Mr. Trump said (something along the lines of) "Hey, that's OK because my supporters don't know the difference between a promise to think about possibly doing something that sort of resembles what I had demanded that you agree to unconditionally and a fact. So I can declare victory and go home now.".
 
slick said:
Democrats caught flat-footed once again by Trump pulling another rabbit out of his hat!!!!
Here they were thinking they be able to witness another 2 million soon to be Democrat voters poring into the country
by blocking any sensible curbing of the invasion, and then being one upped by Trump again. This must have them seething!

This will be the #1 issue up before the 2020 vote & more than 60% of the citizenry not only want illegals stopped in their tracts
but also want legal immigration significantly reduced. Trump's looking very strong singularly because of his stand on this issue!
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I have a question that I am 100% positive that you can answer. It is

Now that Mr. Trump has completely solved the crisis of hordes of "illegals" crossing the US/Mexican border;

  1. why does the US still need "The Wall", and
  2. how is Mr. Trump going to blame Clinton and/or Obama for the continuing flow of "illegals" across the US/Mexican border since he has achieved a total victory and shut it down completely?

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Inquiring minds want to know.
 
As far as I can tell the Mexican standoff has ended, for now, pretty much along the lines of NAFTA/USMCA: Trump huffed and puffed, US business managed to convey the message that a trade war would be a disaster, and he basically caved while pretending that he won
 
Airyaman said:
Chuckie usually doesn't have good responses but this is a decent one.

Chuck Schumer on Twitter: "This is an historic night!

@realDonaldTrump has announced that he has cut a deal to “greatly reduce, or eliminate, Illegal Immigration coming from Mexico and into the United States.”

Now that that problem is solved, I’m sure we won’t be hearing any more about it in the future.… https://t.co/c6EdIND6i2"
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Chuck "CIA has 6 ways to Sunday to get back at you" Schumer is an idiot and hates America....just wants to defeat Trump

Dems are doubling down on stupid....in what world is open borders a good thing to campaign on in Wisconsin Michigan PA the states that matter?
 
Chomsky said:
Uh, please excuse me - but that Fox title has not been proven to be accurate.

What is accurate, is that Trump "Tweeted" he had a "great deal", just like he did with China, just like he did with NK, just like he did with Canada, just like he did with Germany. And they've all been B.S.

So please excuse me while I don't believe a word he says.
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Sir, I refer you to THE authoritative source:


GREAT DEAL

"gr – ate – de - ul"

NOUN PHRASE

"What you could have achieved in the first place without any effort at all, but which, because of the fact that you massively inflated the nature and extent of the problem were only able to achieve after lengthy negotiations in which you actually had to give up something you really wanted in return for something that the other guy didn’t care about at all.”

[From the AKME Dictionary of Current American Political Usage - still in pre-press preparation]
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Trump said:
Chuck "CIA has 6 ways to Sunday to get back at you" Schumer is an idiot and hates America....just wants to defeat Trump

Dems are doubling down on stupid....in what world is open borders a good thing to campaign on in Wisconsin Michigan PA the states that matter?
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Yeah, those southern border states should care eh?
 
MovingPictures said:
No more than you are to concede his failings and incompetency.
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On this particular topic, the news is posiive for our country. Can we let it go at that and be happy?
 
Chomsky said:
The problem isn't Vesper, but the games Trump and his apparatus is playing with the country. A large chunk of the country doesn't know fact from fiction anymore. What we're seeing is unprecedented, in modern-day America.
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"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people." - H.L. Mencken (attributed, but likely not accurate).

"дурако́в не се́ют, не жнут — са́ми родя́тся"" (durakóv ne séjut, ne žnut — sámi rodjátsja) - Russian Proverb
(Fools are not sown or reaped, they come into the world themselves)

"There's a sucker born every minute." - P.T. Barnum (attributed, but likely not accurate).
 
MovingPictures said:
The most important thing is to keep the House and win the Senate. Yes, the presidency is a crisis, but control of the both congressional chambers is the grand prize, something Gingrich taught Republicans.

Democrats need to stop worry about the 43-44% of Americans that will never vote for them, and start worrying about pleasing the 56% that gave them the House back.

Gingrich understood this. He looked at any situation and always asked "what does the base want?" and based his strategy on that. He whipped the GOP into shape and transformed them from miserable losers that hadn't held the House in a generation, to a party of front line warriors, out to please their base, and who were rewarded for it 12 years in a row.

If we have both the Senate and House, then Trump can't get jack done. He can't appoint anybody to the courts, he can't pass fascist laws, and he can't set the nations agenda. Both chambers can also use synchronized parliamentary tricks to cripple his powers, such as refusing to hold SOTU's in either chambers, and refusing to fill his cabinet with conservatives.

Food for thought.
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Would you like to play a little mind game? I warn you, playing this mind game could cause serious mental upset.

Imagine a situation where the Democrats actually manage to increase their representation in the House and Senate to 60%+1 AND where Mr. Trump pulls off another fantastic victory by being elected by one vote in the Electoral College.

Now, here is the "fun" part.

Try to estimate how long it will take for Mr. Trump to resign (you can take that to mean "after his first veto is over-ridden" if you want).

My suspicion is that Mr. Trump would actually resign BEFORE he was sworn in for his second term, but I'm always accused of being overly cynical.
 
Trump said:
what southern states will matter in 2020? its all about Michigan Wisconsin PA...WHOOSH WHOOSH :2wave:
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Tell me, what overall effect would "open borders" do to those states that are very far from the "porous" southern border.

That and, no one is pushing open borders. Well, except Trumpsters trying to believe that is what is going on.
 
Grand Mal said:
Does this mean the US will take steps to stop the illegal immigrants crossing into Canada?
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I see that the effects of legalizing Marijuana in Canada are more serious than people had thought they would be.
 
Rexedgar said:
You Canadiens come up with the best sarcastic smack! :thumbs:
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I am the unfortunate product of a "Classical Education" combined with a "Massively Misspent Youth", service in the military, and advanced post-secondary education.

As a true Canadian, I apologize for that.
 
Airyaman said:
Tell me, what overall effect would "open borders" do to those states that are very far from the "porous" southern border.

That and, no one is pushing open borders. Well, except Trumpsters trying to believe that is what is going on.
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you do know FEDS are flying these illegals all over the country correct? they don't all stay in south.

Dems are for open borders or they'd fund the wall....gonna be huge on campaign trial...again
 
Trump said:
you do know FEDS are flying these illegals all over the country correct? they don't all stay in south.

Dems are for open borders or they'd fund the wall....gonna be huge on campaign trial...again
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That's some deep stuff.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
I see that the effects of legalizing Marijuana in Canada are more serious than people had thought they would be.
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So probably not, you reckon?
Google told me that last February Mexico approved the creation of a National Guard. Now, three months later, they're ready to deploy to the border. That's fast work there. Unbelievably fast, nearly.
 
ray188 said:
On this particular topic, the news is posiive for our country. Can we let it go at that and be happy?
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That depends on one's perspective. If we're not bothered at how any of it works and are happy with checkboxes being marked as completed, then sure. If we care about what it means down the road, then there's less celebrating and more analyzing of the declaration. A declaration is nice, but it's just the first step so to gage actual success we'd have to see what the measurable means of Mexico's efforts are along with mechanisms to penalize them if they're not compliant. Using tariffs in this manner will be interesting since both issues have nothing to do with each other.

In the US, this administration is advocating a wall in order to prevent migrants from crossing illegally because it lacks the human resources to cover such a large border. Mexico's southern borders with Belize and Guatemala is a bit over 500 miles, so one has to wonder how they're going to manage it. I suppose one answer is "it's their problem", but since we're tying tariffs to migration, it becomes our problem too.
 
Trump said:
Trump WINNING!
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After reviewing the thread, don't you think it's odd how Trump resisters are saying the deal with MX. is a figment of Trump's imagination?
I guess they delude themselves into believing he didn't really broker or get the deal, but then.. this is the same group who pretended he didn't really win the presidency without Putin's help either. :lol:
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Why does this sound quite a lot like the marvellous deal that Mr. Trump negotiated with both Canada and Mexico on the steel and aluminum tariffs.

Both Canada and Mexico had announced that they would remove their highly unjust and unfair tariffs on American steel and aluminum if the US removed its completely justified tariffs on Canadian and Mexican steel and aluminum.

After intensive negotiations Mr. Trump forced the Canadian and Mexican governments to remove their highly unjust and unfair tariffs on American steel and aluminum and all he had to give them as an insubstantial sop to their inflated national egos was the removal of the American tariffs on steel and aluminum.

Mr. Trump's outstanding negotiating skills are on a par with the flying skills of a cannonball dropped down a well.
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Yeah, don't you wish that were all true?
Mexico has agreed to deploying 6,000 of their national guard to the MX/Guatemalan border to stop U.S. migration.
You probably should lay off the left's putrid punditry and do some fact checking. ;)
 
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