US makes deal with Mexico on tariffs, immigration, Trump announces

[trixare4kids]

You may have misunderstood my point.

I did.

I'm saying that the center, the political center, "feels" more like the Left these days because in the last forty years we have been steadily drifting further and further Right. To illustrate, Many of Reagan's policies, and bills he signed in cooperation with both Republicans and Democrats, and his tax policies, would look very "lefty" if enacted today, and Ike Eisenhower was approximately where Joe Biden was for many years.

How do you personally define going more right? If socially, in what ways? If putting America's best interests first is a right wing ideal in your world, I'll happily disagree. Your party is going left because it's being run by leftists. Look at Gavin Newsom, our gov. of CA. who said illegal immigrants are now going to get free health care. Do you delude yourself into believing this is a moderate position of your party because Oh, Trump has driven the country "so far to the right.? Please... I have a bridge to sell you. Resisting pro-America policy is not a moderate position. It's not liberalism...it's authoritarian leftist.

But speaking of Biden, he IS flipping and moving on many of his long held views precisely BECAUSE of pressure from today's Left, but in the end, the net result would be that we'd wind up approximately in what was for years regarded as the Center.

Agree, but Biden has no choice than to react to the pressure because from my vantage point, the far left, not center left, is running the Democrat Party now.

FDR was somewhat Left, Truman a little less so, Eisenhower was the Center, Kennedy slightly to the Left, Johnson slightly more to the Left, Nixon was Center-Right, Ford was a little more to the Center, Carter slightly more to the Left, then came Reagan and the long slow drift to the Right again, Bush more to the Center again, Clinton more to the Center, Bush 43 moderately Right, Obama "talked" Left but functioned as if he wanted to be more to the Center. Trump has moved us way to the Right.

In what ways has Trump moved us to the right? Putting America first is not putting up too far right. Enforcing the rule of law is not moving us too far right. Improving the economy, job creation, less taxes and regulation is not too far right. Not bowing down to countries who continue to take advantage of America's prosperity is not too far right. Not wanting to be involved in another war is not too far right... Trump is a populist who has all kinds of followers. Some put their faith in him because the usual DC politician from both parties have hurt the country. People are sick of politicians who don't deliver anything but obstructionism.
Is Trump my moral role model, hell no! But at the same time, people didn't elect him to be so... Trump is no social conservative, but he does pander to the socially right of the party; the religious right. Understandable, right? You do realize that one could be a conservative meaning they favor less intrusive federal gov. and have a live and let live attitude, don't you? That would be me, btw... Latest polls show increasing numbers of Republicans for same sex marriage and for keeping Roe v. Wade intact.

I don't expect you to agree either. You'll probably say that Obama was six inches from being a Marxist, but that is because you're pretty far to the Right, so to you, he looks like a Marxist.

I wouldn't call Obama a marxist so you are wrong and I am not pretty far to the right either. I am more of a classical liberal than a conservative, at least the way you would understand the latter, far right wing. There are all kinds of shades for the term conservatives, even Democrats have religious conservatives and by the looks of it, they have many, a fact many from your team dismiss.
Classical liberals are not left or right but they are the true thinkers, and IMO, define the word liberal. I care about unfettered free markets, the rule of law, and the protection of civil liberties. I don't want to take away rights, I want my government to protect them. IMO, the far left faction of your party, the illiberals are all about stripping rights. That's not a debate you'll want to engage me on either...

PS: I would like to believe that Joe Biden has evolved but my gut tells me it's just for show.

He's the only shot the Democrats have, like him or not.

 

[slick]

If it prevents people from seeking asylum, it is not a good deal.

You seem to be seconding Ilhan Omar, do you believe that's wise?
Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN), said last week that, “It’s un-American to criminalize immigrants for wanting to come to this country for a better life.
This is why ICE needs to be defunded.” If a video of her statement exists it ought to be made into a Republican campaign ad next year."

If that EVER happened count on the left to scream RAAACISM!

 

[trixare4kids]

That's what I am talking about, American politics. I said, we in America have been getting steadily dragged further and further to the Right for the past forty years. The word "international" isn't even found in my post.

That's a lie, myth... call it what you want, but it is not true.

 

[foolardi]

I did.



How do you personally define going more right? If socially, in what ways? If putting America's best interest s first is a right wing ideal in your world, I'll happily disagree. Your party is going left because it's being run by leftists. Look at Gavin Newsome, gov. of CA. who said illegal immigrants are now going to get free health care. Do you delude yourself into believing this is a moderate position of your party because Oh, Trump has driven the country "so far to the right.? Please... I have a bridge to sell you.



Agree, but Biden has no choice than to react to the pressure because from my vantage point, the far left, not center left, is running the Democrat Party now.



In what ways has Trump moved us to the right? Putting America first is not putting up too far right. Enforcing the rule of law is not moving us too far right. Improving the economy, job creation, less taxes and regulation is not too far right. Not bowing down to countries who continue to take advantage of America's prosperity is not too far right. Not wanting to be involved in another war is not too far right... Trump is a populist who has all kinds of followers. Some put their faith in him because the usual DC politician from both parties have hurt the country. Is Trump my moral role model, hell no! But at the same time, people didn't elect him to be so... Trump is no social conservative, but he does pander to the socially right of the party; the religious right. Understandable, right? You do realize that one could be a conservative meaning they favor less intrusive federal gov. and have a live and let live attitude, don't you? That would be me, btw... Latest polls show increasing numbers of Republicans for same sex marriage and for keeping Roe v. Wade intact.



I wouldn't call Obama a marxist so you are wrong and I am not pretty far to the right either. I am more of a classical liberal than a conservative, at least the way you would understand the latter, far right wing. There are all kinds of shades for the term conservatives, even Democrats have religious conservatives and by the looks of it, they have many, a fact many from your team dismiss.
Classical liberals are not left or right but they are the true thinkers, and IMO, define the word liberal. I care about unfettered free markets, the rule of law, and the protection of civil liberties. I don't want to take away rights, I want my government to protect them.


He's the only shot the Democrats have, like him or not.

There is a huge difference between a Liberal and a Leftist.Thomas Jefferson was a
Liberal.Sam Nunn and Daniel Patrick Moynihan were Liberals.
Today's radical Democrat are leftists.A leftist does not moderate or debate their
POV.It's always Their way or the Highway.
Michelle Obama explained in 2007 that her Husband { after announcing his run for
the Presidency was Not a Community Organizer but a Community Activist.}
Being educated at Columbia U. { Home to Marxism and a Cloward & Piven discipline }
Obama after Working alongside Bill Ayers at both the Annenberg Challenge and The Woods
Fund was used as a Legal trainer for ACORN.ACORN is not an organization that Moderates.
Nor is Planned Parenhood.They consist of Leftists.A Leftist is one who has manifest problems
with our Country as Founded.Leftists were involved in - Occupy Wall Street - then - BlackLivesMatter
then Antifa.Obama proved his stature as a Leftist,time and again.Particularly when abroad
and making excuses for our Country.Being quite critical of our History and Traditions.
Dennis Prager is an expert as to explaining the difference between the two terms.
Some may still be up on YouTube.

 

[trixare4kids]

There is a huge difference between a Liberal and a Leftist.Thomas Jefferson was a
Liberal.Sam Nunn and Daniel Patrick Moynihan were Liberals.
Today's radical Democrat are leftists.A leftist does not moderate or debate their
POV.It's always Their way or the Highway.
Michelle Obama explained in 2007 that her Husband { after announcing his run for
the Presidency was Not a Community Organizer but a Community Activist.}
Being educated at Columbia U. { Home to Marxism and a Cloward & Piven discipline }
Obama after Working alongside Bill Ayers at both the Annenberg Challenge and The Woods
Fund was used as a Legal trainer for ACORN.ACORN is not an organization that Moderates.
Nor is Planned Parenhood.They consist of Leftists.A Leftist is one who has manifest problems
with our Country as Founded.Leftists were involved in - Occupy Wall Street - then - BlackLivesMatter
then Antifa.Obama proved his stature as a Leftist,time and again.Particularly when abroad
and making excuses for our Country.Being quite critical of our History and Traditions.
Dennis Prager is an expert as to explaining the difference between the two terms.
Some may still be up on YouTube.

You watch now... some my way or the highway illiberal leftist who is under the delusion that they are a free thinker will label Dennis Prager an alt.righter.

Good points above.

 

[foolardi]

That's a lie, myth... call it what you want, but it is not true.

As is typical when hearing from a Democrat or Leftist.You get the polar opposite of
the truth.The Left has increasingly been mounting their causes since the Mid-60's.
The Right does not enflame as a way of governing or debating.That is entirely a leftist
approach.As with - Occupy Wall Street - and BlackLivesMatters and now Antifa.
Starting with the Radical Protests in '68 at the Democrat National Convention in
Chicago.Then campus like what happened at Kent State in May of 1970.4 students were
killed as they were Protesting and throwing bricks at the Ohio National Guard who were
charged with keeping the Protestors in line.
The Right does not pull that crap.Nor what super activist Jane Fonda did and also
Johnny " Frauds " Kerry.

 

[Nickyjo]

You seem to be seconding Ilhan Omar, do you believe that's wise?
Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN), said last week that, “It’s un-American to criminalize immigrants for wanting to come to this country for a better life.
This is why ICE needs to be defunded.” If a video of her statement exists it ought to be made into a Republican campaign ad next year."

If that EVER happened count on the left to scream RAAACISM!

She’s wrong, of course, as she seems to be talking about economic migrants, but what does that have to do with asylum seekers and US law and treaty obligations?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

That's what I am talking about, American politics. I said, we in America have been getting steadily dragged further and further to the Right for the past forty years. The word "international" isn't even found in my post.

I wasn't disagreeing with your basic point that "we in America have been getting steadily dragged further and further to the Right for the past forty years" only pointing out the "The American Left" is on the "right" of any international scale.

What is happening now is that the "Not So Right" (on the international scale) in the US is being dragged further and further away from the "Not So" modifier and the "More That A Little (But Not Much More) Right" (on the international scale) in the US is being pushed to drop the "(But not Much More)" modifier.

If an American political party were to adopt the policies and programs of Canada's "Conservative Party of Canada", that party would be denounced by BOTH the "American Left" AND the "American Right" (by the MOST moderate of the two parties) as "Crypto-Communist" and by the other as "Flaming Red Terrorist Atheistic Commies Out To Destroy America".

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

As is typical when hearing from a Democrat or Leftist.You get the polar opposite of
the truth.The Left has increasingly been mounting their causes since the Mid-60's.
The Right does not enflame as a way of governing or debating.That is entirely a leftist
approach.As with - Occupy Wall Street - and BlackLivesMatters and now Antifa.
Starting with the Radical Protests in '68 at the Democrat National Convention in
Chicago.Then campus like what happened at Kent State in May of 1970.4 students were
killed as they were Protesting and throwing bricks at the Ohio National Guard who were
charged with keeping the Protestors in line.
The Right does not pull that crap.Nor what super activist Jane Fonda did and also
Johnny " Frauds " Kerry.

Did you know that the students who were killed at Kent State WERE NOT the ones that were "throwing bricks"? In fact, the (admittedly ill-trained, ill-prepared, and ineptly led) National Guard troops did not shoot a single one of the students that were actually confronting them.

What the National Guard troops did was to do what the movies mythologized as "the thing to do when confronted by a mob" and that was to "fire a volley over their heads" and that volley hit students that the National Guard troops most likely weren't even aware of.

Although it is not DIRECTLY related to Kent State, you might find the following interesting. If not, oh well.

I trained with a veteran of the Hong Kong police who was one of the officers in their "Riot Control" unit. That unit would "confront" (read as "take a position in front of") a mob in a "four line" formation. Line 1 with shield and locust sticks, Line 2 with pump action shotguns, Line 3 with high calibre rifles (with telescopic sights), and Line 4 being the comand group.

Neither Line 2 nor Line 3 would have their weapons with rounds chambered until specifically ordered to do so by Line 4.

If appropriate (i.e. a lone gunman who was actually firing at the police) Line 4 would order specific members of Line 3 to "eliminate the problem" and that would be done by single round AIMED fire. This was not, and was not considered (by "the mob") to be "escalation".

However when Line 4 decided that the "protest demonstration" had gone on for long enough (or if it showed significant signs of getting beyond the control of the organizers of the "protest demonstration", Line 4 signalled to Line 2 and - simultaneously - every member of Line 2 chambered a round into their shotguns (they actually practised doing this as a drill movement so that the members of Line 2 didn't appear to move at all [only their weapons]). At the sound of the very distinctive "ka-CHINK" of the shotguns being loaded, the organizers of the "protest demonstration" realized that the time for their "protest demonstration" had expired and that it was time for everyone to go home - which they did.
​

What happened at Kent State was a bunch of untrained, disorganized, and immature people on one side were confronting (without actually having any concrete plan) a bunch of untrained, disorganized, and immature people on the other side (who also didn't actually have any concrete plan).

 

[mrdeltoid]

Can you let me know how Mr. Trump is going to implement those "secret" provisions without letting anyone know what they are?

It doesn't matter. If it amounts to any relief or solution to the border crisis, the left and MSM will do everything to undermine it, misrepresent it, or credit somebody, anybody but Trump. If Trump succeeds at anything, or tries to help our country in any way, if you only get your news from MSM, you won't know about it anyway.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I wasn't disagreeing with your basic point that "we in America have been getting steadily dragged further and further to the Right for the past forty years" only pointing out the "The American Left" is on the "right" of any international scale.

But you have pointed that out and I don't dispute it, as it even reinforces my point further.

What is happening now is that the "Not So Right" (on the international scale) in the US is being dragged further and further away from the "Not So" modifier and the "More That A Little (But Not Much More) Right" (on the international scale) in the US is being pushed to drop the "(But not Much More)" modifier.

If an American political party were to adopt the policies and programs of Canada's "Conservative Party of Canada", that party would be denounced by BOTH the "American Left" AND the "American Right" (by the MOST moderate of the two parties) as "Crypto-Communist" and by the other as "Flaming Red Terrorist Atheistic Commies Out To Destroy America".

Can't see anything amiss in that assessment either.

 

[slick]

The Senate is a very heavy lift. It's a geography challenge, not a popular vote or electorate challenge. Dems will clean-up in the popular vote, no doubt. But I doubt they'll get the Senate.

wagerweb.eu

Odds to win Senate Control 2020
Republicans -260 Democrats +200


Odds to win House Control 2020
Republicans -240 Democrats -185

Which means the Republicans have a slightly better chance to win the house than the democrats have to win the senate, key word slightly

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

She’s wrong, of course, as she seems to be talking about economic migrants, but what does that have to do with asylum seekers and US law and treaty obligations?

Not a thing but I believe it IS safe to say that Ilhan Omar IS in favor of open borders.
Do I think that the right wing on DP will modify their broad brush smears and start saying that Omar and the radicals want open borders?
Nope, they'll just continue to say that ALL DEMOCRATS want open borders.
And we're still a year and change from the election.
It's going to get worse, just like Trump's runup to the midterms: PURE RACIAL FEAR.
The Trump Right will mount a 190 db wall to wall screech-fest that features 24/7 hysteria about Leftists, Communists, terrorists, Mexican rapists, gang banger loving Feinsteins and Pelosis hugging MS-13, Antifa might be the Dem next door in YOUR neighborhood, all the way up to JAIL ALL LIBERALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[pamak]

There is a huge difference between a Liberal and a Leftist.Thomas Jefferson was a
Liberal.Sam Nunn and Daniel Patrick Moynihan were Liberals.
Today's radical Democrat are leftists.A leftist does not moderate or debate their
POV.It's always Their way or the Highway.
Michelle Obama explained in 2007 that her Husband { after announcing his run for
the Presidency was Not a Community Organizer but a Community Activist.}
Being educated at Columbia U. { Home to Marxism and a Cloward & Piven discipline }
Obama after Working alongside Bill Ayers at both the Annenberg Challenge and The Woods
Fund was used as a Legal trainer for ACORN.ACORN is not an organization that Moderates.
Nor is Planned Parenhood.They consist of Leftists.A Leftist is one who has manifest problems
with our Country as Founded.Leftists were involved in - Occupy Wall Street - then - BlackLivesMatter
then Antifa.Obama proved his stature as a Leftist,time and again.Particularly when abroad
and making excuses for our Country.Being quite critical of our History and Traditions.
Dennis Prager is an expert as to explaining the difference between the two terms.
Some may still be up on YouTube.

The fact that you see a mainstream Democrat like Obama as a "radical Democrat" shows your true radicalism. Obama won the nomination exactly because he was not a "radical Democrat" such as Bernie Sanders. The same is true when you conflate wildly diverse movements like Occupy Wall Street and Black Lives Matter to Antifa. It makes as much sense as trying to equate conservative groups like Christian Evangelicals or Trump supporters in general to extremist conservative organizations such as the alt-right.

As for Planned Parenthood, I d not see it as "leftist" group. You like it or not, the less people are detached from religions, the more likely it is to accept that it is okay to terminate a form of life at a stage when a fetus has the brain characteristics of a shrimp. If you equate religion and the belief that human life begins at conception with the "right," then I guess you can call those who reject such beliefs as "leftists," but within those "leftists" there will be many who are not Democrats.

In my view, the term "leftist" and "conservative" differs regarding if we are talking about social or economic issues. For social ones, I see in general a shift to the left in the last couple of decades (LGBT rights, atheism, women rights etc). For economic issues I see a shift to the right (less taxation, higher economic inequality, etc) as we experienced the euphoria of the capitalism's triumph in the late 1980's and early 1990's.

 

[foolardi]

She’s wrong, of course, as she seems to be talking about economic migrants, but what does that have to do with asylum seekers and US law and treaty obligations?

Since when has Our United States turned into a dumping ground for " asylum seekers ".
Since they lost the Presidency in 2016.They are now in the desperate throes for a
new voting block.Blacks appear to be looking at President Trump in a serious way.
Unless one thinks Jim Brown is some kind of kitschy sellout.
Just listen on Sirius Radio { Stationl 126 } to Urban Radio and " The Black Eagle "
or lifelong activist Joe Madison.The guy who constantly says " And ... By The Way! ".
About as rude,Intolerant and Belligerent as they come.Him with his Degree in
Sociology.Talk about a worthless piece of sheepskin.

 

[pamak]

Since when has Our United States turned into a dumping ground for " asylum seekers ".
Since they lost the Presidency in 2016.They are now in the desperate throes for a
new voting block.Blacks appear to be looking at President Trump in a serious way.
Unless one thinks Jim Brown is some kind of kitschy sellout.
Just listen on Sirius Radio { Stationl 126 } to Urban Radio and " The Black Eagle "
or lifelong activist Joe Madison.The guy who constantly says " And ... By The Way! ".
About as rude,Intolerant and Belligerent as they come.Him with his Degree in
Sociology.Talk about a worthless piece of sheepskin.

Did you think in such terms when the United States turned into a dumping ground for Cuban asylum seekers who were mostly conservative? By the way, Florida became a crucial battleground that gave the win to the republicans in at least one election ( 2000).

 

[Nickyjo]

Since when has Our United States turned into a dumping ground for " asylum seekers ".
Since they lost the Presidency in 2016.They are now in the desperate throes for a
new voting block.Blacks appear to be looking at President Trump in a serious way.
Unless one thinks Jim Brown is some kind of kitschy sellout.
Just listen on Sirius Radio { Stationl 126 } to Urban Radio and " The Black Eagle "
or lifelong activist Joe Madison.The guy who constantly says " And ... By The Way! ".
About as rude,Intolerant and Belligerent as they come.Him with his Degree in
Sociology.Talk about a worthless piece of sheepskin.

Not sure I understand all your points, but current “dumping grounds” include many other places in the world and in our own hemisphere. Cuba and Haiti dumped asylum seekers in great numbers on the US, also Poles and Nicaraguans, Salvadorans and Guatemalans in the 1980s. Prior to that Soviet dancers could dump themselves here and ask for asylum. Been happening here and around the world for a long time. Europeans, who dumped themselves uninvited in Africa, are now being dumped on by Africans. Back in Roman Empire times, a couple named Maria and Jose traveled to Egypt and dumped themselves there to escape a government that wanted to kill their kid, named Hay-zoos or something.

 

[foolardi]

Did you think in such terms when the United States turned into a dumping ground for Cuban asylum seekers who were mostly conservative? By the way, Florida became a crucial battleground that gave the win to the republicans in at least one election ( 2000).

The United States did not create or help create Castro's Cuba.That was due entirely to
the Castro's { Fidel & Raoul } who were both taught by the Jesuits as Catholics.
Therefore No excuse.Then we have the Democrats who also have no excuse in explaining
catholics like Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi.Or where they drummed-up the way they could
be Good Catholics while heavily endorsing Abortion-on-Demand.
Because they are Liars,hypocrites and care only for their cushy place as career pols
in Washington.
Again ... I go back to the 1953 movie - The Glass Wall - and how immigration was
treated with dire seriousness.Today,thanks to these Unamerican Democrats ... Immigration
is only viewed as an opportunity to " transform " Illegals into Voting Democrats.
That's the bottom line.Because one can catch fish { Like Carp } using just marshmellows as bait.

 

[foolardi]

Not sure I understand all your points, but current “dumping grounds” include many other places in the world and in our own hemisphere. Cuba and Haiti dumped asylum seekers in great numbers on the US, also Poles and Nicaraguans, Salvadorans and Guatemalans in the 1980s. Prior to that Soviet dancers could dump themselves here and ask for asylum. Been happening here and around the world for a long time. Europeans, who dumped themselves uninvited in Africa, are now being dumped on by Africans. Back in Roman Empire times, a couple named Maria and Jose traveled to Egypt and dumped themselves there to escape a government that wanted to kill their kid, named Hay-zoos or something.

There is a vast difference between " Checked " Asylum seekers like Vietnamese feeling
Vietnam from untold persecution and how Cuba and Haiti have been viewed.
Yes,Cuba and Haiti were run into the ground by very selfish power mad tyrants.
But at least we knew of their origins.And why they fled.
This Unchecked and ridiculous mass of Illegals streaming-in are from God knows
where.Guatemala.Or Venezeula.Probably El Savador and the Honduras.Maybe
sneaking in from Somalia.

 

[MTAtech]

Trump announces agreement that was made with Mexico months ago. In related news...

Trump Says He Has Made Deal to Add Hawaii as Fiftieth State

 

[ocean515]

Trump announces agreement that was made with Mexico months ago. In related news...

Trump Says He Has Made Deal to Add Hawaii as Fiftieth State

si se puede!

 

[Amelia]

Trump announces agreement that was made with Mexico months ago. In related news...

Trump Says He Has Made Deal to Add Hawaii as Fiftieth State

:lamo

 

[slick]

Not a thing but I believe it IS safe to say that Ilhan Omar IS in favor of open borders.
Do I think that the right wing on DP will modify their broad brush smears and start saying that Omar and the radicals want open borders?
Nope, they'll just continue to say that ALL DEMOCRATS want open borders.
And we're still a year and change from the election.
It's going to get worse, just like Trump's runup to the midterms: PURE RACIAL FEAR.
The Trump Right will mount a 190 db wall to wall screech-fest that features 24/7 hysteria about Leftists, Communists, terrorists, Mexican rapists, gang banger loving Feinsteins and Pelosis hugging MS-13, Antifa might be the Dem next door in YOUR neighborhood, all the way up to JAIL ALL LIBERALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When you Refuse to Fund a Border Wall, and insist that ICE should be abolished.... that means you want Open Borders.
Even after Caravans of thousands bully their way across your border.... Dems still Refuse to fix our ridiculous asylum/immigration laws.....
There's NO DOUBT Democrats want Open Borders.

But of all the Democratic open borders contingent, Omar takes the cake! It's fascinating to be lectured by a Somali as to what is un-American..

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

When you Refuse to Fund a Border Wall, and insist that ICE should be abolished.... that means you want Open Borders.
Even after Caravans of thousands bully their way across your border.... Dems still Refuse to fix our ridiculous asylum/immigration laws.....
There's NO DOUBT Democrats want Open Borders.

But of all the Democratic open borders contingent, Omar takes the cake! It's fascinating to be lectured by a Somali as to what is un-American..

The border wall funds were a done deal till Twumpy changed his mind at the last minute because some people at Fox taunted him. Sorry about your amnesia. Not all Dems want ICE abolished but a lot of them want ICE retrained and reformed.

But you go ahead with your hysterical waterworks and rhetorical flourishes about the evil commie libtards. We know you're getting a thrill.

 

[slick]

The border wall funds were a done deal till Twumpy changed his mind at the last minute because some people at Fox taunted him. Sorry about your amnesia. Not all Dems want ICE abolished but a lot of them want ICE retrained and reformed.

But you go ahead with your hysterical waterworks and rhetorical flourishes about the evil commie libtards. We know you're getting a thrill.

I hope you don't mind me keeping you on your toes but 'border wall funds were NOT a done deal'
the Dems offered 25Billion but in installments not 25 right away. Plus part of the deal Trump insisted on was
the end of chain migration & eliminating the VISA lottery along with the wall to give amnesty to 1.8 million illegals.
Trump refused and properly so the Wall is a deterrent not the end all, curbing chain migration
& putting an end to the visa lottery were equally emphasized by Trump & the open boarders crowd cried NO! Get your facts straight!