Universal BG Check Could Have Saved Lives

[AGENT J]

The reason that I favor the positive "GUN OK" designation is that the NICS BGC should be completely voluntary and all minors IDs would be stamped "NO GUN" making it appear that they "must have" failed a BGC. There is no problem with requiring the surrender/re-issue of an ID following a due process removal of one's 2A rights - no different than having a DL suspended/revoked now.

but a positive one is worthless though and it provides zero relevant information

 

[ttwtt78640]

but a positive one is worthless though and it provides zero relevant information

I provides the information that one has passed the NICS BGC.

 

[AGENT J]

I provides the information that one has passed the NICS BGC.

which is 100% meaningless unless the license was issued and they passed that day :shrug:

 

[Aberration]

It does NOT have to say that for it does NOT cover the arms themselves but rather the right to be armed.

But then you know that since it has been repeated explained to you.

That’s right. And the first Amendment doesn’t cover which religions you can practice, only the right to practice.

So banning Islam 100% Constitutional.

 

[Maccabee]

Probably not, but having valid, state issued, photo IDs (conditionally) stamped "GUN OK" would allow potential sellers of guns and/or ammo to help ensure that they are not selling to a prohibited person.

In my state, we already have a way to distinguish minors. Anyone under 21 gets a vertical DL with a red bar saying "under 21 until X date".

 

[vegas giants]

That’s right. And the first Amendment doesn’t cover which religions you can practice, only the right to practice.

So banning Islam 100% Constitutional.

That's funny

 

[Maccabee]

which is 100% meaningless unless the license was issued and they passed that day :shrug:

You could revoke the license upon conviction and have the person get a new DL while getting processed. However, I think having everyone get a BGC and marking prohibited persons is the better route of the two proposals.

 

[ttwtt78640]

In my state, we already have a way to distinguish minors. Anyone under 21 gets a vertical DL with a red bar saying "under 21 until X date".

The minimum age to buy/possess a gun is not 21.

 

[Maccabee]

That's funny

Same logical conclusion. Care to explain why it's different?

 

[vegas giants]

Same logical conclusion. Care to explain why it's different?

Then why are some guns now banned but no religions are

 

[Maccabee]

The minimum age to buy/possess a gun is not 21.

Unfortunately, it is in my state just recently. Before the law passed, gun store owners would look at your DL and make sure you're 18. What I'm getting at is minors won't be marked as prohibited persons unless they committed a crime or mentally ill. Minors won't be marked simply because of their age.

 

[Maccabee]

Then why are some guns now banned but no religions are

Irrelevant. Not too long ago, it was illegal to be gay or have same sex marriages. That doesn't answer why comparing different practices of worship to banning different types of firearms is illogical.

 

[vegas giants]

Irrelevant. Not too long ago, it was illegal to be gay or have same sex marriages. That doesn't answer why comparing different practices of worship to banning different types of firearms is illogical.

So no arms of any kind should be banned?


Remember it says arms

 

[ttwtt78640]

Unfortunately, it is in my state just recently. Before the law passed, gun store owners would look at your DL and make sure you're 18. What I'm getting at is minors won't be marked as prohibited persons unless they committed a crime or mentally ill. Minors won't be marked simply because of their age.

Under my plan nobody would have their ID be marked as prohibited.

 

[Maccabee]

So no arms of any kind should be banned?


Remember it says arms

No arms are completely banned now. Every weapon you can think of can be privately owned if you have the right money and paperwork.

 

[vegas giants]

No arms are completely banned now. Every weapon you can think of can be privately owned if you have the right money and paperwork.

Then you have nothing to complain about.



Problem solved!!!!

 

[jaeger19]

Probably not, but having valid, state issued, photo IDs (conditionally) stamped "GUN OK" would allow potential sellers of guns and/or ammo to help ensure that they are not selling to a prohibited person.

But that's like putting hay on a pile of needles. Simply put on prohibited persons.. ineligible for firearms.

 

[jaeger19]

Better to stamp the IDs of those who requested and passed the NICS BGC "GUN OK". That allows the default to be no gun rights but removes any stigma from the ID of prohibited persons.

Right.. so lets get this straight... you want to "remove the stigma from prohibited persons".. but then make everyone else who doesn't have a felony have to jump through more hoops to prove they are okay to own a firearm?

Do you realize it appears you care more about that stigma for felons.. than you do the rights of unconvicted persons?

 

[jaeger19]

Then why are some guns now banned but no religions are

Because we have morons that thing banning firearms are a good idea and protects society. Just like we have morons that think banning gay marriage is a good idea and protects society.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Right.. so lets get this straight... you want to "remove the stigma from prohibited persons".. but then make everyone else who doesn't have a felony have to jump through more hoops to prove they are okay to own a firearm?

Do you realize it appears you care more about that stigma for felons.. than you do the rights of unconvicted persons?

Hmm... isn't that (bolded above) exactly what requiring a BGC (NICS database check) does? Letting known to be (extremely?) dangerous and/or insane folks roam freely among us is what is causing the "gun control" problems. Personally, I think that once a convicted criminal has finished their sentence (including any parole/probation) they should have all of their constitutional rights restored.

 

[vegas giants]

Because we have morons that thing banning firearms are a good idea and protects society. Just like we have morons that think banning gay marriage is a good idea and protects society.

Didn't you hear? No guns are banned.



Your problems are solved

 

[AGENT J]

You could revoke the license upon conviction and have the person get a new DL while getting processed.
2.) However, I think having everyone get a BGC and marking prohibited persons is the better route of the two proposals.

1.) revoke it how?why would the person turn it in if they didnt want to? Its dumb because stamped ok or not you would still have to run the check every time its meaningless info.
2.) of course because that info is actually useful, he default position is safer and its puts the risks/requirments in the other direction

 

[jaeger19]

Didn't you hear? No guns are banned.



Your problems are solved

Wow.. you don't even seem to understand your own posts.

You asked why some guns are banned. I said why. There you go. The only one with a problem here is you and your credibility.

 

[jaeger19]

So no arms of any kind should be banned?


Remember it says arms

Yes. Remember it says arms.

 

[jaeger19]

Hmm... isn't that (bolded above) exactly what requiring a BGC (NICS database check) does? d.

Yes.. that's exactly what it does.. it makes everyone who doesn't have a felony jump through hoops. Which makes no sense..

You are the one that ones to require THAT.. instead of simply having a stamp on the license of those few who ARE NOT eligible for firearms purchases.

Personally, I think that once a convicted criminal has finished their sentence (including any parole/probation) they should have all of their constitutional rights restored.

Voting? Yes.
Firearms possession? not so much.

Convicted child molester working in a day care? No.

Convicted of elder abuse.. working in a nursing home? No.

etc.