Unholy Ingredients: Taking a closer look at the sin-by-association supply chain.

[Joel]

If a cake can be considered sinful if it is made or sold to be used in a gay wedding,
just how far back up the supply chain does this sin-by-association thing go?
The supplier who sells flour,
if that supplier knows one of the bakeries he sells his product to is known to be an establishment that will bake cakes for gay weddings,
is he in sin as well as he provides their flour?
The farmer who grows the wheat that is processed into the flour that is sold to the couple getting gay-married,
is he in sin?
How about the company hat sells the farmer all of his farming equipment,
is every emplyee of this company in sin,
or just upper mangement,
are they sinning?
It is a small town, everybody knows everybody's business,
so since half the people employed by that farming supply company are friends of the gay couple getting married,
and will be attending that gay-wedding already,
are they in double sin?

 

[swing_voter]

If I were a baker, I'd make the cake even if I was as religious as the guy in Colorado. Who am I to judge?

However, the couple who wanted the cake had their pick of dozens of bakers. They picked the religious guy because they knew he would turn them down. They should've gone to one of the other bakers instead.

 

[Joel]

If I were a baker, I'd make the cake even if I was as religious as the guy in Colorado. Who am I to judge?

However, the couple who wanted the cake had their pick of dozens of bakers. They picked the religious guy because they knew he would turn them down. They should've gone to one of the other bakers instead.

I would have just went to another bakery myself. I have no personal knowledge of what their motivations were or weren't, but that particular baker seems like a nice man. I didn't feel any Mike Pence anti-gay vibe coming from him. If they were choosing, couldn't they have chosen an actual hateful bigoted baker to make an example of? It's not like homophobic religious hypocrits are ever hard to find.

 

[maquiscat]

If a cake can be considered sinful if it is made or sold to be used in a gay wedding,
just how far back up the supply chain does this sin-by-association thing go?
The supplier who sells flour,
if that supplier knows one of the bakeries he sells his product to is known to be an establishment that will bake cakes for gay weddings,
is he in sin as well as he provides their flour?
The farmer who grows the wheat that is processed into the flour that is sold to the couple getting gay-married,
is he in sin?
How about the company hat sells the farmer all of his farming equipment,
is every emplyee of this company in sin,
or just upper mangement,
are they sinning?
It is a small town, everybody knows everybody's business,
so since half the people employed by that farming supply company are friends of the gay couple getting married,
and will be attending that gay-wedding already,
are they in double sin?

I think the key here is knowledge. If you knowingly "contribute to sin" then you are as guilty. Mind you this my guessing at their logic. If you didn't know at the time but find out later, you are alright because you did not do so on purpose. As to how far back that goes, since religion is a highly subjective thing, it would go back as far as an individual believes it does.

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[Joel]

I think the key here is knowledge. If you knowingly "contribute to sin" then you are as guilty. Mind you this my guessing at their logic. If you didn't know at the time but find out later, you are alright because you did not do so on purpose. As to how far back that goes, since religion is a highly subjective thing, it would go back as far as an individual believes it does.

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I am fine with your just leaving, I don't care why at all Just leave and take your weak parting shot with you.

 

[maquiscat]

I am fine with your just leaving, I don't care why at all Just leave and take your weak parting shot with you.

I seem to have missed something. You asked a question, I responded with my view and observations, and you reply as if I have insulted you. What about my post upsets you?

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[Joel]

I seem to have missed something. You asked a question, I responded with my view and observations, and you reply as if I have insulted you. What about my post upsets you?

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Bi, Poly, Switch. I'm not indecisive, I'm greedy!

My leaving the conversation does not indicate you won. It means that real life took priority, or I have just tired of your idiocy.

I have made a rookie mistake being new to the site. I was looking at the text that comes at the end of all your posts, like a digital post-script I think. I read that and didn't realize it wasn't part of what you were responding to me with. Please forgive my curt treatment of you, I was completely in the wrong.

 

[maquiscat]

Bi, Poly, Switch. I'm not indecisive, I'm greedy!

My leaving the conversation does not indicate you won. It means that real life took priority, or I have just tired of your idiocy.

I have made a rookie mistake being new to the site. I was looking at the text that comes at the end of all your posts, like a digital post-script I think. I read that and didn't realize it wasn't part of what you were responding to me with. Please forgive my curt treatment of you, I was completely in the wrong.

Hey, it happens. You're not the first and you won't be the last. It was the second one wasn't it?

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[Joel]

Hey, it happens. You're not the first and you won't be the last. It was the second one wasn't it?

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Yep, the second one.

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[maquiscat]

Yep, the second one.

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Any thoughts or comments on the post itself?

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[Deuce]

If I were a baker, I'd make the cake even if I was as religious as the guy in Colorado. Who am I to judge?

However, the couple who wanted the cake had their pick of dozens of bakers. They picked the religious guy because they knew he would turn them down. They should've gone to one of the other bakers instead.

Do you research the religious views of bakery owners before you go there?

 

[AProudLefty]

If I were a baker, I'd make the cake even if I was as religious as the guy in Colorado. Who am I to judge?

However, the couple who wanted the cake had their pick of dozens of bakers. They picked the religious guy because they knew he would turn them down. They should've gone to one of the other bakers instead.

Yup. And Rosa Parks should have gone to the back of the bus.

 

[Visbek]

If I were a baker, I'd make the cake even if I was as religious as the guy in Colorado. Who am I to judge?

However, the couple who wanted the cake had their pick of dozens of bakers. They picked the religious guy because they knew he would turn them down. They should've gone to one of the other bakers instead.

:roll:

If one baker can refuse service, then every baker in town, or the county, or the state can refuse service.

And yes, that would happen. It constantly happened to blacks before civil rights laws were passed. That's pretty much why those laws were passed.

That is why when you operate a public accommodation (like a store), you do not get to pick and choose who qualifies as a member of the public.

And no, bakers were not targeted at first because someone guessed they would be refused. The bakers refused, then were held accountable for their violations of civil rights.

 

[Lisa]

If a cake can be considered sinful if it is made or sold to be used in a gay wedding,
just how far back up the supply chain does this sin-by-association thing go?
The supplier who sells flour,
if that supplier knows one of the bakeries he sells his product to is known to be an establishment that will bake cakes for gay weddings,
is he in sin as well as he provides their flour?
The farmer who grows the wheat that is processed into the flour that is sold to the couple getting gay-married,
is he in sin?
How about the company hat sells the farmer all of his farming equipment,
is every employee of this company in sin,
or just upper management,
are they sinning?
It is a small town, everybody knows everybody's business,
so since half the people employed by that farming supply company are friends of the gay couple getting married,
and will be attending that gay-wedding already,
are they in double sin?

There is nothing wrong with baking a wedding cake for LGBT couples. Religious bigots are merely trying to hide behind the various passages of the bible as a way to defend the bigotry because of the religious protections in the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment. Jesus wasn't a bigot and he didn't support discrimination. Luke 6:31 and Mark 12:28-31

28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”

29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[a] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[c] There is no commandment greater than these.”

Any argument made by the bigoted baker was made previously by the racist owner of a BBQ joint in South Carolina who was opposed to the protections of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. The US Supreme Court wasn't impressed with his racist ideas when they unanimously ruled against him in Newman v. Piggie Park.

Newman v. Piggie Park Enterprises, Inc. - Wikipedia.

 

[Joel]

There is nothing wrong with baking a wedding cake for LGBT couples. Religious bigots are merely trying to hide behind the various passages of the bible as a way to defend the bigotry because of the religious protections in the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment. Jesus wasn't a bigot and he didn't support discrimination. Luke 6:31 and Mark 12:28-31




Any argument made by the bigoted baker was made previously by the racist owner of a BBQ joint in South Carolina who was opposed to the protections of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. The US Supreme Court wasn't impressed with his racist ideas when they unanimously ruled against him in Newman v. Piggie Park.

Newman v. Piggie Park Enterprises, Inc. - Wikipedia.

Amen, Sister!

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[marke]

If a cake can be considered sinful if it is made or sold to be used in a gay wedding,
just how far back up the supply chain does this sin-by-association thing go?
The supplier who sells flour,
if that supplier knows one of the bakeries he sells his product to is known to be an establishment that will bake cakes for gay weddings,
is he in sin as well as he provides their flour?
The farmer who grows the wheat that is processed into the flour that is sold to the couple getting gay-married,
is he in sin?
How about the company hat sells the farmer all of his farming equipment,
is every emplyee of this company in sin,
or just upper mangement,
are they sinning?
It is a small town, everybody knows everybody's business,
so since half the people employed by that farming supply company are friends of the gay couple getting married,
and will be attending that gay-wedding already,
are they in double sin?

Everything humans do is a sin unless they are led of God to do it. The Bible says whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Everything humans do is a sin unless they are led of God to do it. The Bible says whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

So I should let faith bake the cake?

Gather up all the materials and just leave them and wait for faith to work

 

[Lisa]

Amen, Sister!

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I hate bigots, especially the ones who try to hide behind religion.

 

[Lisa]

Everything humans do is a sin unless they are led of God to do it. The Bible says whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Is this the best that your god can do or have you been taught to hate yourself because of your religion?

How do you know what your God leads you to do when there is no evidence that any religious deity exists? The Bible is not evidence of god because it was written by man.

 

[marke]

So I should let faith bake the cake?

Gather up all the materials and just leave them and wait for faith to work

Just don't do anything you believe the Lord will not approve of.

 

[marke]

Is this the best that your god can do or have you been taught to hate yourself because of your religion?

How do you know what your God leads you to do when there is no evidence that any religious deity exists? The Bible is not evidence of god because it was written by man.

Humans have determined for themselves that there is no God, in spite of the evidence to the contrary. God created the universe and life on earth. Everyone knows that if they know anything.

 

[Jason Warfield]

If you believe that being gay is a sin, then being gay is a sin. Baking a cake for a gay person, wedding cake or otherwise, will not send you to hell nor is it a sin. The sin is being gay (if you believe that, I don't), not the baking a cake for a gay person for whatever reason.

 

[Lisa]

Humans have determined for themselves that there is no God, in spite of the evidence to the contrary. God created the universe and life on earth. Everyone knows that if they know anything.

Where is the empirical evidence that god created the universe and life on earth? An unsupported claim from the bible is not proof. The fact that you may believe it doesn't mean that it is actually true.

 

[Lisa]

If you believe that being gay is a sin, then being gay is a sin. Baking a cake for a gay person, wedding cake or otherwise, will not send you to hell nor is it a sin. The sin is being gay (if you believe that, I don't), not the baking a cake for a gay person for whatever reason.

If they believe that baking a cake is sin then either sell the bakery and go find other work that isn't sinful or stop making wedding cakes for heteros and LGBT alike. They chose to open the bakery. It wasn't forced upon them by the government.

 

[marke]

Where is the empirical evidence that god created the universe and life on earth? An unsupported claim from the bible is not proof. The fact that you may believe it doesn't mean that it is actually true.

You believe life started on earth without God. You have no proof of that.