Ukrainian lawmaker releases leaked phone calls of Biden and Poroshenko

[Ringo Stalin]

Ukraine turned out to be stronger and more independent than everyone thought.
Everyone believed that it was controlled by a call from the US Embassy, and turn out that it was controlled by a call from as high as the US Vice President!

 

[PoS]

He's clearly going after Trump supporters. They seem to like voting for pedos.

Donald Trump boasted about meeting semi-naked teenagers in beauty pageants | The Independent
Mr Trump said on Howard Stern’s radio show in 2005 that he could ‘get away’ with walking into the dressing room to ‘inspect’ beautiful women
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She added that people who worked for Mr Trump “pressured” the women to “fawn over him, go walk up to him, talk to him, get his attention” while still not fully dressed.
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Four women who competed in the 1997 Miss Teen USA beauty pageant also said the Republican used to walk in. Some of the girls were as young as 15.


Yep, a lot of American Conservatives consider being a pedo to be "morally upstanding"
Survey: White Evangelicals See Trump As 'Honest' And 'Morally Upstanding' : NPR


I know he doesn't touch your guy Trump for being a total Epstein, but do you think Creepy Joe can make you consider voting for him?

I always vote Libertarian Party, so Im not affected by your binary partisanship.

actually, he wasn't and the link sort of proves that. The threat to remove the funding was because the prosecutor was REFUSING to investigate Burisma and other corruption...so that plays tremendously against your narrative.

The fact that Joe was making these calls proves he was interfering, so your silly excuses merely damns him even more.

if you think Joe is creepy, what btw do you think of a man who raped a 13 year old? btw, I am talking about Donald John Trump.

Show some proof. If he is guilty as you think he is then Trump would have never become POTUS, so your conspiracy theories are on the same level as Pizzagate, which says a lot about you.

 

[Ringo Stalin]

Here comes Ukraine again | Spectator USA

The news about Joe Biden from Ukraine has gone strangely unnoticed in most American media. Cockburn imagines that’s because everyone is sick of hearing about that country after the exhausting impeachment saga back in January. Still, an MP there has released audio he says is of Joe Biden, as Vice President, lobbying the Ukrainian leader at the time, Petro Poroshenko. One conversation has him calling for the firing of Viktor Shokin, a prosecutor general who had overseen an investigation into the Ukrainian oil and gas company, Burisma, which employed Biden’s son, Hunter.

In one sense this is old news — Shokin was accused of corruption and Biden’s demand for him to be fired was also made publicly, at a news conference in Kyiv. It was US government policy at the time, though the fact that Biden appears to be threatening to withhold aid from Ukraine until Shokin is removed does sound eerily similar to the reason Trump was impeached. Quid Pro Joe, as the Trumpists like to chant. We can expect to see plenty more ‘Biden…Ukraine’ headlines as we approach November, and ‘Biden…China’ too for that matter.

It’s an inescapable awkwardness for the presumptive Democratic nominee that his son Hunter was paid $50,000 a month to sit on Burisma’s board despite having no noticeable experience in either Ukraine or the oil and gas business.

 

[jamesbyoung]

Prove that "It’s an inescapable awkwardness for the presumptive Democratic nominee that his son Hunter was paid $50,000 a month to sit on Burisma’s board despite having no noticeable experience in either Ukraine or the oil and gas business."

That is simply Trumpistic caterwauling.

 

[bluesmoke]

I see what you did there.

And I know what you did last summer.

 

[What if...?]

Here comes Ukraine again | Spectator USA

The news about Joe Biden from Ukraine has gone strangely unnoticed in most American media. Cockburn imagines that’s because everyone is sick of hearing about that country after the exhausting impeachment saga back in January. Still, an MP there has released audio he says is of Joe Biden, as Vice President, lobbying the Ukrainian leader at the time, Petro Poroshenko. One conversation has him calling for the firing of Viktor Shokin, a prosecutor general who had overseen an investigation into the Ukrainian oil and gas company, Burisma, which employed Biden’s son, Hunter.

In one sense this is old news — Shokin was accused of corruption and Biden’s demand for him to be fired was also made publicly, at a news conference in Kyiv. It was US government policy at the time, though the fact that Biden appears to be threatening to withhold aid from Ukraine until Shokin is removed does sound eerily similar to the reason Trump was impeached. Quid Pro Joe, as the Trumpists like to chant. We can expect to see plenty more ‘Biden…Ukraine’ headlines as we approach November, and ‘Biden…China’ too for that matter.

It’s an inescapable awkwardness for the presumptive Democratic nominee that his son Hunter was paid $50,000 a month to sit on Burisma’s board despite having no noticeable experience in either Ukraine or the oil and gas business.

In consensus reality, shokin had investigated the owner of burisma for things he did before Hunter ever came on board. While he was working for the government.

Doesn't sound as nefarious as saying shokin was investigating the business while hunter was there though.

So that's not what the narratives supplied to you contain.

 

[cabse5]

you are comparing apples to oranges....Trump was using his power for PERSONAL gain...Biden wasn't.

Prove that...Psst...No one has. The house couldn't prove it even though they made Trump's personal gain as the lynchpin of their impeachment argument. The house tried to force the Senate to prove Trump's personal gain.:lamo

 

[cabse5]

It is indeed. When Trump does something, they want impeachment, when Biden does the same thing, they say its nothing.

And your attempt at justifying an eye for an eye snipe fest by oversimplifying things is an insult to the noble art of political debate

I make no bones about being partisan—my sig is proof of that— but as an aspiring teacher and historian I take extra pride in making sure that I can analyze and critique sources for accuracy.

This is funny. PoS is stumping for equal protection (or guilt) under the law and these anti-Trumpers are attempting to morph PoS's argument into a revenge-motivated argument.:lamo

 

[bluesmoke]

If it wasn't Hunter and Joe Biden, but Donald Trump Jr. and Donald Trump senior, would you feel the same way. Let's see, what if, hmmmmm…..Donald Trump was the point man for the Ukraine. Shortly after a meeting there, Don Jr. is given a position as a board member on the most corrupt company in Ukraine, and is paid $60,000/mo. Then, that company get's investigated by the prosecutor general. Donald Trump Sr. goes back out to Ukraine, and threatens to hold back a billion dollar loan unless the prosecutor investigating that company for corruption is fired. Would you have the same opinion?

The exact same scenario as Biden but the names of the Trumps wouldn't be enough to make a diff. I would look into it as much as I did with the Bidens and would find no more the same or diff. There would have been no there there and no Trumpgate. If Hillary were prez and doing the same things as Trump, I would more likely have been voicing myself earlier on. I most certainly have not held back from blasting Biden.

 

[HennyBogan]

After a while, it just gets too much like the boy who cried wolf. Except its the wold that cried wolf. I suspect most people are sick of it.

Nope, the whole world is sick of democrat type political parties, they are getting badly beaten in recent elections around the world and the ones hanging on are by a thread. Demolished in the UK, demolished in Australia, hanging on by a thread in Germany, Macron is toast in France, and many more are turning away!

 

[bluesmoke]

That is absolutely true.

And it reveals the complete intellectual and moral bankruptcy of our duopoly. We have a choice between Frick and Frack.

You have a problem with moral equivalency. Biden does not approach the sociopathic, narcissistic level of Trump.

 

[ClaraD]

Prove that...Psst...No one has. The house couldn't prove it even though they made Trump's personal gain as the lynchpin of their impeachment argument. The house tried to force the Senate to prove Trump's personal gain.:lamo

it isn't hard to prove, it was being used as a ploy to get dirt on Biden his opponent in a national election...that is personal gain.

 

[ClaraD]

I always vote Libertarian Party, so Im not affected by your binary partisanship.



The fact that Joe was making these calls proves he was interfering, so your silly excuses merely damns him even more.



Show some proof. If he is guilty as you think he is then Trump would have never become POTUS, so your conspiracy theories are on the same level as Pizzagate, which says a lot about you.

uh sure you do...I don't believe you vote anything but Trump party especially the way you defend him.

And no, it proves the contrary...the AG there refused to investigate and the US government punished the Ukrainian government for refusing to investigate corruption. That was US policy.

 

[PoS]

uh sure you do...I don't believe you vote anything but Trump party especially the way you defend him.

And no, it proves the contrary...the AG there refused to investigate and the US government punished the Ukrainian government for refusing to investigate corruption. That was US policy.

Wrong I didnt vote for Trump. I dont believe in partisan BS, which is what youve been spewing out.

 

[ClaraD]

Wrong I didnt vote for Trump. I dont believe in partisan BS, which is what youve been spewing out.

You are only bested as a partisan by Conservative. You are as partisan as they come

 

[Thoreau72]

You have a problem with moral equivalency. Biden does not approach the sociopathic, narcissistic level of Trump.

Perhaps, perhaps not. It doesn't matter to me. Biden is also an agent of the status quo. He's been living in the Swamp and lovin' every minute of it, for longer than Trump.

I can't vote for either.

 

[cabse5]

it isn't hard to prove, it was being used as a ploy to get dirt on Biden his opponent in a national election...that is personal gain.

Was, for example, Obama's talking point that one could keep their doctor with the Affordable Care Act for personal gain? Using the train of thought from your quoted post, yes, Obama saying one could keep their doctor with ACA was for personal gain because Obama wanted approval for said healthcare legislation...That isn't difficult to prove, either.

Almost every politician does something for personal gain. The tricky part and the part house dems never proved with the Zelensky phone call impeachment was that personal gain was the only reason or even the main reason Trump requested an investigation of the Bidens by the Ukrainian president.

You can believe all the conspiracy theories about Trump you want (I certainly can't stop you:roll but they are still just conspiracy theories.

 

[PoS]

You are only bested as a partisan by Conservative. You are as partisan as they come

What a lie. You hate anyone who doesnt agree with your narrow, bigoted beliefs.

 

[ClaraD]

Was, for example, Obama's talking point that one could keep their doctor with the Affordable Care Act for personal gain? Using the train of thought from your quoted post, yes, Obama saying one could keep their doctor with ACA was for personal gain because Obama wanted approval for said healthcare legislation...That isn't difficult to prove, either.

Almost every politician does something for personal gain. The tricky part and the part house dems never proved with the Zelensky phone call impeachment was that personal gain was the only reason or even the main reason Trump requested an investigation of the Bidens by the Ukrainian president.

You can believe all the conspiracy theories about Trump you want (I certainly can't stop you:roll but they are still just conspiracy theories.

I kept my doctor. I have ACA. I also pay much less than I would otherwise.

 

[ClaraD]

What a lie. You hate anyone who doesnt agree with your narrow, bigoted beliefs.

I think you are having a problem defining bigotted. You might want to go look in the mirror before using words you clearly do not understand. I do not hate you, I just hate the politics of the man you spend your time defending.

 

[PoS]

I think you are having a problem defining bigotted. You might want to go look in the mirror before using words you clearly do not understand. I do not hate you, I just hate the politics of the man you spend your time defending.

I do not defend Trump, I merely do reality checks when fair play is threatened. Trump was falsely impeached over doing his job, which was investigating corruption. The OP proves Biden was in on it.

 

[ClaraD]

I do not defend Trump, I merely do reality checks when fair play is threatened. Trump was falsely impeached over doing his job, which was investigating corruption. The OP proves Biden was in on it.

bawhaha, no you defend Trump all of the damn time. He wasn't falsely impeached at all...he used his position to influence a foreign power to his personal benefit...that is the very definition of corruption.

 

[bluesmoke]

Perhaps, perhaps not. It doesn't matter to me. Biden is also an agent of the status quo. He's been living in the Swamp and lovin' every minute of it, for longer than Trump.

I can't vote for either.

The swamp that Trump drained and replaced with human waste.

 

[bongsaway]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...be060a4f8e1_story.html?tid=pm_pop&itid=pm_pop



Bidengate has begun? What do you think?

Watch the shiny object while I pick your pockets. That's what I think, another distraction the base of the gop can foam at the mouth about.

 

[PoS]

bawhaha, no you defend Trump all of the damn time. He wasn't falsely impeached at all...he used his position to influence a foreign power to his personal benefit...that is the very definition of corruption.

LOL an arch partisan accusing me of being partisan, thats rich. The only reason Trump was impeached was because of the Dem majority in the House- he was also vindicated in the Senate trial, so your wish to see him removed form office did not come to pass.

If you truly are for fair play then you should support the investigation into Biden's Ukrainian contact, but you wont.

Watch the shiny object while I pick your pockets. That's what I think, another distraction the base of the gop can foam at the mouth about.

Sorry I wont do bong hits with you.