Ukrainian lawmaker releases leaked phone calls of Biden and Poroshenko

[Moot]

They did better, Zelensky said there was no quid pro quo, or haven't you been paying attention?

That's what Trump said he said...but that's not what he actually said...

Zelensky's Remarks About Trump, In Context - FactCheck.org


Also...Zelensky seems to be aligning himself with corrupt Russian oligarchs...so his days as president of Ukraine are probably numbered....


How Ukraine’s Zelensky lost the anti-corruption movement

 

[Grim17]

according to you it turned up something...especially since you are holding Biden to a different standard.

You lost me there?

You asked if I was ok with impeachment, and I said I was ok with the House impeachment.

Now it's back to you.... You all were gung ho on every investigation when it involved Trump, or anyone from his administration or campaign... So, should we put you down as a "Yes" that you'd support a senate investigation into former government officials?


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[ClaraD]

You lost me there?

You asked if I was ok with impeachment, and I said I was ok with the House impeachment.

Now it's back to you.... You all were gung ho on every investigation when it involved Trump, or anyone from his administration or campaign... So, should we put you down as a "Yes" that you'd support a senate investigation into former government officials?


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you are claiming that there wasn't an impeachable offense, there was. Using your presidential powers for personal gain is what is known as abuse of power. There was no personal gain in the instance of Biden...why? first it was US policy to do what was done and second the sanction was for NOT investigating corruption, not a threat to cover up corruption.

 

[Grim17]

you are claiming that there wasn't an impeachable offense, there was. Using your presidential powers for personal gain is what is known as abuse of power. There was no personal gain in the instance of Biden...why? first it was US policy to do what was done and second the sanction was for NOT investigating corruption, not a threat to cover up corruption.

Look, I said I was OK with the House impeachment because that was the investigative side of the proceedings.

So I ask you for a 3rd time, should we put you down as a "Yes", that you'd support a senate investigation into former government officials?

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[Grim17]

That's what Trump said he said...but that's not what he actually said...

Zelensky's Remarks About Trump, In Context - FactCheck.org

Talk about dishonesty... You take the cake.

That article from Factcheck.org not only doesn't dispute Zelensky saying there was no quid pro quo, the article isn't even addressing it in the first place.

Nobody disputes the fact Zelensky said there was no quid pro quo, including Zelensky himself... You implying that isn't what he said is the height of dishonesty.


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[Moot]

Talk about dishonesty... You take the cake.

That article from Factcheck.org not only doesn't dispute Zelensky saying there was no quid pro quo, the article isn't even addressing it in the first place.

Nobody disputes the fact Zelensky said there was no quid pro quo, including Zelensky himself... You implying that isn't what he said is the height of dishonesty.


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Personal attacks only prove you have a weak argument.


Lots of people dispute what Zelensky said...

"I know that members of this committee frequently frame these complicated issues in the form of a simple question: Was there a 'quid pro quo'? With regard to the requested White House call and the White House meeting, the answer is yes." - Ambassador Gordon Sondland

Ukraine'''s Zelensky said Trump didn'''t pressure him. That'''s bogus - Business Insider​

Yes, Grim...there was a quid pro quo.

 

[Grim17]

Personal attacks only prove you have a weak argument.


Lots of people dispute what Zelensky said...

"I know that members of this committee frequently frame these complicated issues in the form of a simple question: Was there a 'quid pro quo'? With regard to the requested White House call and the White House meeting, the answer is yes." - Ambassador Gordon Sondland

Ukraine'''s Zelensky said Trump didn'''t pressure him. That'''s bogus - Business Insider​

Yes, Grim...there was a quid pro quo.

OMG... You double down on your dishonesty...

Here's what Gordon Sondland said when questioned about the statement:

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Did you catch that? He said about his testimony that there was a quid pro quo, that "I was presuming" and that statement he made was based on "my own presumption". Presumptions are NOT evidence.

You people are really something... You cling to lies like your life depends on it...

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[Moot]

OMG... You double down on your dishonesty...

Here's what Gordon Sondland said when questioned about the statement:

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Did you catch that? He said about his testimony that there was a quid pro quo, that "I was presuming" and that statement he made was based on "my own presumption". Presumptions are NOT evidence.

You people are really something... You cling to lies like your life depends on it...

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You people project too much. :roll:

 

[eman623]

Biden said he would never fire an inspector general if he was elected president.

OTOH, Ukranian prosecutors get no such protection. Biden will get you fired in a Delaware minute and then brag about it later.

 

[Grim17]

You people project too much. :roll:

We project the truth, while you use lies and falsehoods to prop up your political beliefs...

If you had an ounce of integrity, you would retract the back to back false assertions you made. But if you did that, you couldn't dust them off and use them again in the future when you find yourself on the losing end of an argument.

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[PoS]

you are comparing apples to oranges....Trump was using his power for PERSONAL gain...Biden wasn't.

LOL yeah, right. Creepy Joe was using his power for his son Hunter's gain!

 

[Waddy]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...be060a4f8e1_story.html?tid=pm_pop&itid=pm_pop



Bidengate has begun? What do you think?

quid pro quo Joe.

 

[bluesmoke]

That is true, but it does not mean that Biden is an innocent man or a worthy candidate for POTUS.

What we do know is that Trump's action means He is not a worthy president nor even a worthy human being, but rather of a sick mind. Take your pick.

 

[What if...?]

The Biden distraction or any named "Bidengate" would just be more Trump delusional illusion to draw attention away from the ills of all kind with which Trump has plagued America .

I see what you did there.

 

[JustHanging]

Your own quote said that little new information was gained from these tapes.

LOL. After four months of unlimited access to the top Covid experts in the world, Trump's best plan was to see about injecting disinfectant into patients. How is that kind of stupid even possible?

Cult members have little choice but to deflect deflect deflect.

 

[JustHanging]

LOL yeah, right. Creepy Joe was using his power for his son Hunter's gain!

He's clearly going after Trump supporters. They seem to like voting for pedos.

Donald Trump boasted about meeting semi-naked teenagers in beauty pageants | The Independent
Mr Trump said on Howard Stern’s radio show in 2005 that he could ‘get away’ with walking into the dressing room to ‘inspect’ beautiful women
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She added that people who worked for Mr Trump “pressured” the women to “fawn over him, go walk up to him, talk to him, get his attention” while still not fully dressed.
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Four women who competed in the 1997 Miss Teen USA beauty pageant also said the Republican used to walk in. Some of the girls were as young as 15.


Yep, a lot of American Conservatives consider being a pedo to be "morally upstanding"
Survey: White Evangelicals See Trump As 'Honest' And 'Morally Upstanding' : NPR


I know he doesn't touch your guy Trump for being a total Epstein, but do you think Creepy Joe can make you consider voting for him?

 

[bluesmoke]

To use a democrat party talking point, if there’s nothing to hide, why all the fuss? What are they afraid of? And did you notice when the democrat party wants an investigation, it’s a “ national security issue”, and when the Republicans want an investigation, it’s a distraction. Lol

There is nothing to hide. There is no "Bidengate". That is what the "fuss" is all about. It is all made-up. No there there. There is nothing to justify an investigation to find the nothing that isn't there. No reason, rational, evidence, facts. Nothing. Except the made-up buzz-term "Bidengate" repeated by Fox News as much as they pushed chloroquine. At least chloroquine existed. Wait'll Fox News says there's a corona vaccine ready to go. But Biden has taken over the Deep State from Obama and is preventing it from getting out so as to ruin Trump's re-election. Yeah, that's it.

 

[mrdeltoid]

There is nothing to hide. There is no "Bidengate". That is what the "fuss" is all about. It is all made-up. No there there. There is nothing to justify an investigation to find the nothing that isn't there. No reason, rational, evidence, facts. Nothing. Except the made-up buzz-term "Bidengate" repeated by Fox News as much as they pushed chloroquine. At least chloroquine existed. Wait'll Fox News says there's a corona vaccine ready to go. But Biden has taken over the Deep State from Obama and is preventing it from getting out so as to ruin Trump's re-election. Yeah, that's it.

If it wasn't Hunter and Joe Biden, but Donald Trump Jr. and Donald Trump senior, would you feel the same way. Let's see, what if, hmmmmm…..Donald Trump was the point man for the Ukraine. Shortly after a meeting there, Don Jr. is given a position as a board member on the most corrupt company in Ukraine, and is paid $60,000/mo. Then, that company get's investigated by the prosecutor general. Donald Trump Sr. goes back out to Ukraine, and threatens to hold back a billion dollar loan unless the prosecutor investigating that company for corruption is fired. Would you have the same opinion?

 

[mrdeltoid]

LOL yeah, right. Creepy Joe was using his power for his son Hunter's gain!

That's how it's done swamp style. You hook up the relatives, and launder your fortune through them. Trump was wealthy before he even entered politics. Biden became wealthy from being a member of congress, along with his family.

 

[Rogue Valley]

The cult is desperate.

Indeed.

The US, the EU, and the IMF all linked funding/loans to Ukraine on the removal of corrupt prosecutor Viktor Shokin.

 

[ecofarm]

Indeed.

The US, the EU, and the IMF all linked funding/loans to Ukraine on the removal of corrupt prosecutor Viktor Shokin.

"Obama committed the greatest political crime in the history of the United States."

What kind of an asshole believed that? Spoiler alert: A racist asshole.

 

[Rogue Valley]

"Obama committed the greatest political crime in the history of the United States."

What kind of an asshole believed that? Spoiler alert: A racist asshole.

From the OP.....

The recordings played at the news conference Tuesday shed relatively little new light on Biden’s actions in Ukraine, which were at the center of President Trump’s impeachment last year.

The entire OP is a dog-whistle. Let's throw some **** against the wall and see if anything sticks.

 

[Thoreau72]

What we do know is that Trump's action means He is not a worthy president nor even a worthy human being, but rather of a sick mind. Take your pick.

That is absolutely true.

And it reveals the complete intellectual and moral bankruptcy of our duopoly. We have a choice between Frick and Frack.

 

[ClaraD]

LOL yeah, right. Creepy Joe was using his power for his son Hunter's gain!

actually, he wasn't and the link sort of proves that. The threat to remove the funding was because the prosecutor was REFUSING to investigate Burisma and other corruption...so that plays tremendously against your narrative.

if you think Joe is creepy, what btw do you think of a man who raped a 13 year old? btw, I am talking about Donald John Trump.

 

[Ringo Stalin]

If Trump is a russian spy for half of Americans, Biden will be made a chinese spy for the other half until November. Biden could have become a ukrainian spy, but Ukraine is too insignificant for this role.