U.S. Carl Vinson Carrier Wasn’t on Way to North Korea

[ocean515]

So you ask for the press release and then I give it to you and you ignore it?

Typical Trump Supporter. All I can say. The most dishonest bunch of people I've ever met.

I didn't ignore it. I acknowledged it. I looked for an explanation to what the press release claimed. The Sec Def explained it.

Don't accuse me of being dishonest when you're trying to sell snake oil pushed by a media you depend on that was caught lying.

That is really pathetic.

 

[Moderate Right]

No he's just ***** grabbed and walked in on underage girls dressing for the pageants he ran but it's clear you are ok with that since you defend him.

So, you're changing your story already.

 

[Moderate Right]

It used to be a perverse badge of honor for a politician to say he's never been indicted.

The bar has now plunged to almost ground level.

The rabid left indicts people with no evidence for purely partisan reasons.

 

[Moderate Right]

This incident provides terrific insight into how easily and consistently the government deceives any and all. Deception is the modus operandi for the federal government. Rationalize it as one needs to, but the fact is the government deceives as it pleases.

In the gulf war we sent out signals through the media that we were going to invade by water and Saddam was all prepared for that and then we invaded by land instead, taking them by surprise. The left would now be all up in arms about that, saying that the president lied.

 

[Praxas]

So, you're changing your story already.

Oh you mean the story where he has lied and you defend those lies? Thought we already covered that and moved on. You will defend the liar no matter what.

 

[Moderate Right]

Oh you mean the story where he has lied and you defend those lies? Thought we already covered that and moved on. You will defend the liar no matter what.

The huge majority of the lies you claim are when he spouted off about something that he really didn't know and said something that was wrong, or just changed his mind. None of these are actually lies and both sides do it. Now, if he didn't grab anyone's ***** but was just bragging about it to Billy Bush, would you call that a lie too?

 

[sear]

"The huge majority of the lies you claim are when he spouted off about something that he really didn't know and said something that was wrong, or just changed his mind." MR #181

President Obama cautioned President Elect Trump that North Korea is the single most pressing problem facing the president of the United States.

For the U.S. president to say he's sending an armada, and it turns out the battle group is heading in the other direction?
Did he think the NK's wouldn't find out? They read The New York Times too you know.

"None of these are actually lies and both sides do it." MR

ahh

Argument in the alternative, how quaint.

a) it's not a lie, &

b) both sides lie.

- oh -

"Now, if he didn't grab anyone's ***** but was just bragging about it to Billy Bush, would you call that a lie too?" MR

I would. Isn't your premise scenario that it is? If so, on what basis would we call it anything else?

"... and both sides do it." MR

Even if so, it's a matter of degree.

Obama exaggerated a bit to praise his wife's cooking.
Trump's linguistic outrages were so numerous, it kept him on the front page of newspapers throughout the campaign.

It's not purely an issue of quantity alone.

The substantially more concerning issue is that, with this level of lack of integrity, it interferes with our president's ability to do his job.

Congress can't trust him.

Our trading partners can't trust him.

Our allies can't trust him (the U.S. Carl Vinson Carrier group an obvious example).

And candidly, recent public opinion polls show a majority of the U.S. electorate doesn't trust him.

Trump may actually be an able executive. But how will we ever know, if he continues to knee-cap himself this way? Don't forget the non-reciprocity of lying.

 

[Praxas]

The huge majority of the lies you claim are when he spouted off about something that he really didn't know and said something that was wrong, or just changed his mind. None of these are actually lies and both sides do it. Now, if he didn't grab anyone's ***** but was just bragging about it to Billy Bush, would you call that a lie too?

No he's lied even when evidence has been presented saying otherwise, his inauguration size, his tax returns, claiming obama wiretapped trumpmtower and that he had evidence, those are lies.

And are you now claiming he lied about ***** grabbing? Just another in the field of lies from this lying asshole trump.

 

[Moderate Right]

No he's lied even when evidence has been presented saying otherwise, his inauguration size, his tax returns, claiming obama wiretapped trumpmtower and that he had evidence, those are lies.

And are you now claiming he lied about ***** grabbing? Just another in the field of lies from this lying asshole trump.

none of those were lies, not one.

 

[Praxas]

none of those were lies, not one.

Only to a trumpbot who worships the ground trunpmwalks on are those not lies. But then we know trump could shoot someone in cold blood and you would blame the victim for getting in the way of the bullet.

 

[notquiteright]

Asking a question instead of immediately agreeing with the story of the hour is not deflection. Wondering where the President got information that appears to be wrong is quite a valid inquiry.

He didn't respond with a question but a 'you missed my point but whatever' that was a deflection... eace

 

[Moderate Right]

Only to a trumpbot who worships the ground trunpmwalks on are those not lies. But then we know trump could shoot someone in cold blood and you would blame the victim for getting in the way of the bullet.

I didn't vote for Trump and would rather have a different Republican president. But, I will defend him from rabid dog attacks. That's all you have to offer.

 

[jwzg]

My personal opinion (based on a little experience in these type things) is that he might have wanted to get a little "reaction" to find out what NK would do in case an armada was headed their way. By the way, if you think we still don't have a submarine or two in that area, you might want to get a clue. I think this is much ado about nothing.

 

[Moderate Right]

My personal opinion (based on a little experience in these type things) is that he might have wanted to get a little "reaction" to find out what NK would do in case an armada was headed their way. By the way, if you think we still don't have a submarine or two in that area, you might want to get a clue. I think this is much ado about nothing.

I personally think Trump wanted NK to believe we were in the area. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[jwzg]

I personally think Trump wanted NK to believe we were in the area. Nothing wrong with that.

I actually think it was more than that. He wanted to see if they would move anything and what it was.

FWIW, Mattis is a warrior with a warrior instinct...unlike the candy-a$$ pols we've had running the DoD for the last 30 or so years. Syria was a stern warning shot to anyone who wants to play games. I somehow think NK and China might not want to play too many games with us.

 

[Praxas]

I didn't vote for Trump and would rather have a different Republican president. But, I will defend him from rabid dog attacks. That's all you have to offer.

You don't have to have voted for Trump to be a trumpbot.

 

[Moderate Right]

You don't have to have voted for Trump to be a trumpbot.

You're just a rabid anti-Trump hater.

 

[Praxas]

You're just a rabid anti-Trump hater.

And you're a Russian Trump apologist.

 

[apdst]

And you're a Russian Trump apologist.

Moderate Right is Russian?

 

[Praxas]

Moderate Right is Russian?

Might as well be along with the other trumpbots.

 

[apdst]

Might as well be along with the other trumpbots.

Why might as well be?

 

[bluesmoke]

This is, of course, entirely in line with why Trump supporters sent him to Washington.



Three years and eight months to go.

He'll be impeached before then. Which will be unfortunate. Pence would be more effective and can have more harm done to common society than Trump. All Trump can do is lead us into war(s). The man is unhinged.

 

[Cardinal]

He'll be impeached before then. Which will be unfortunate. Pence would be more effective and can have more harm done to common society than Trump. All Trump can do is lead us into war(s). The man is unhinged.

What would he be impeached for?

 

[bluesmoke]

What would he be impeached for?

I think the eventuality of Russian connections will be his undoing. Those are not yet proven, but I think that is the direction it is taking because I am trusting in the Senate committee. The House is worthless and the FBI could last years and never divulge it's findings of any real meaning. Just MHO, his staff' collusion, as a candidate, with the Russians, to help get him elected. Secondly, his attempts to help the Russians businesswise that directly help him businesswise. Take your pick.

 

[Cardinal]

I think the eventuality of Russian connections will be his undoing. Those are not yet proven, but I think that is the direction it is taking because I am trusting in the Senate committee. The House is worthless and the FBI could last years and never divulge it's findings of any real meaning. Just MHO, his staff' collusion, as a candidate, with the Russians, to help get him elected. Secondly, his attempts to help the Russians businesswise that directly help him businesswise. Take your pick.

Unless there's a Democrat-controlled congress in 2018, you can forget any investigations, let alone impeachment hearings, into anything business related. Massive conflicts of interest, flagrant violations of ethics, emoluments...whatever. The Republican silence has tacitly given Trump a pass on anything financial related.

The only thing that could cause a real impeachment even with a Republican-controlled Congress is findings of collusion between Trump and Russia. I might have said before that it's unlikely that Trump would have gotten his own hands dirty, but the lengths he went to in sabotaging the House Intelligence Committee investigation makes me seriously think there's a "there" there. The White House and Nunes went completely out of their way to shut down the entire committee. And if he's only acting guilty as hell, then the dude deserves an Oscar.

But rest assured: the threshold for determining collusion has been set very, very high. His supporters, both in the civilian world and in government have made it explicitly clear they're not going anywhere, and unless you find the equivalent of him standing over a dead body holding a smoking gun and wearing a t-shirt that says "I just killed this person," they won't accept any finding of collusion.