Two black men arrested at Philly Starbucks for trespassing

[ecofarm]

It is not the government's job to protect minorities from having their feelings hurt, which is pretty much what it boils down to.

You believe racism is just hurt feelings?

 

[Wan]

You believe racism is just hurt feelings?

There are some cases of genuine racism. However, there is also a lot of stuff that just comes down to the minority having his/her feelings hurt. If some white people want to form a community that excludes minorities, I am sure they would cry racism. And they are not being harmed in any way. Their "rights" are also not being infringed upon (there is no such a right as, "white people must live close to you"). They are just excluded, which hurts their feelings. And then they get the government involved. When this happens, it is simply a case of minorities being crybabies.

There may be other instances of hurt feelings. Just can't think of many else right now.

 

[ecofarm]

There are some cases of genuine racism. However, there is also a lot of stuff that just comes down to the minority having his/her feelings hurt. If some white people want to form a community that excludes minorities, I am sure they would cry racism. And they are not being harmed in any way. Their "rights" are also not being infringed upon (there is no such a right as, "white people must live close to you"). They are just excluded, which hurts their feelings. And then they get the government involved. When this happens, it is simply a case of minorities being crybabies.

There may be other instances of hurt feelings. Just can't think of many else right now.

The racist marginalization of minorities is harmful to society. Who cares about feelings?

 

[AustralianuS]

So now it's clear.

The problem isn't that people are "redefining" racism. That's never been the case.

The problem is that you were never taught to understand what racism is and how it can manefest.

Racism is not an emotion, and it's not just an "opinion of superiority".

So now it's clear.

You make it increasingly difficult to reply to you. Declaring victory already

The problem isn't that people are "redefining" racism. That's never been the case.

It is a problem. When you instantly label someone a racist because they disagree with you, you immediately lose any chance of having meaningful discussion. If your purpose is to win internet points, then I would agree with you. I'm more interested in discussing reasonable solutions.

The problem is that you were never taught to understand what racism is and how it can manefest.

The real problem is you make bad assumptions.

Racism is not an emotion, and it's not just an "opinion of superiority".

The definition:

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

That better?

 

[Wan]

The racist marginalization of minorities is harmful to society.

I am not saying that racist marginalization is good, but let's say it happens. It will only hamper the minorities. White people will probably not be affected. So I fail to see how you can claim that the entire society would suffer.

Who cares about feelings?

Some minorities.

 

[ecofarm]

I am not saying that racist marginalization is good, but let's say it happens. It will only hamper the minorities. White people will probably not be affected. So I fail to see how you can claim that the entire society would suffer.

Wow. That's staggeringly ignorant.

Some minorities.

Who cares? Laws against racism are not based on feelings, they're based on damage to society.

 

[Wan]

Wow. That's staggeringly ignorant.

But I have a point though. Racism would only affect minorities. White people would not be affected. Therefore, you can't make a statement like how racism affects the entire society. It is plain wrong.

Who cares? Laws against racism are not based on feelings, they're based on damage to society.

I never made any mention of law. The only point I am making is that a lot of times, when minorities cry "racism", it's only because their feelings are hurt. They are not being harmed in anyway, nor are they being stripped off their rights.

Like I said, some minorities are just crybabies.

 

[AustralianuS]

I understand the business model of a manager can ask anyone to leave and if that person doesnt they are now trespassing. I also understand that having leeches on your wifi without purchasing a product adds no value to that business.

 

[AustralianuS]

You can duly note whatever makes you feel better about your view of American blacks. You also obviously haven't read Starbucks own advertising and sales pitch of what it sees itself as, besides if I am early for an appointment at a restaurant or coffee shop, I don't always order ahead. Sometimes it's polite to wait for the other person to arrive.
Might help you get along better with all citizens of your own country to understand that.

That is the key though. Make it so undefinable, impossible to understand, and so damn mystical that:

1. Claims of racism cannot be refuted, just as you can't refute there are magical fairies that live in your head and control your actions, so long as I state they are completely undetectable.

2. You can use the claim of racism as a one size fits all tool to bash all political opponents in a way that you don't require the nuance of rational, logical arguments.

3. Like any other made up problem, it doesn't have a solution. The first step of problem solving is a clear and concise definition of the problem. Solving racism would eliminate your political tool, therefore make it a completely dynamic and nonsensical problem.

 

[AustralianuS]

Wow. That's staggeringly ignorant.



Who cares? Laws against racism are not based on feelings, they're based on damage to society.

Can a black person be racist?

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Can a black person be racist?

Anyone can be racist. Next?

Oh, that's rich. Apparently, I'm less equal since I was told I had to leave Starbucks or purchase something in order to use the bathroom, I didn't get a big payday ~

Are you just totally ignorant of how a company policy to treat all customers the same if paying for their goods / services and if not paying for goods / services may show different treatment when a manager applies that policy inconsistently? Do you understand the difference between consistent and inconsistent?

It's moronic to claim you are less equal as a black person if the same policy is being used equally to a white person or are you simply incapable of cogitating on simple principles?

If you don't up your game I ain't wasting further bandwidth arguing with you.

~ This is your opinion. I think in a truly civilized society, people should be free to do whatever they want, as long as they are not harming someone else.

Are you just trolling or do you not understand what you asked me? Go back and read your OWN question then my answer and see if you can do any better.

~ Yes, and that means the government should treat every citizen equally. Private citizens are exempt from this. In other words, private people can discriminate, because it is not their job to provide "equal treatment" to minorities.

We're talking about a business which has a policy and markets itself in a particular way that it didn't live up to. Try and keep up please.

~Sometimes, some white people simply don't like minorities. The latter will just have to suck it up. It's life.

Only morons (minorities and otherwise) think equality laws mean you have to like other races. That's just a vapid argument, try better please.

~ I am already a citizen. Secondly, the laws can be wrong, too. Surely you don't mean to tell me that laws are always right, do you?

Yeah laws can be wrong but the principle of equality before the law in Western society goes right back to the Roman citizens and maybe even beyond. I'll defer to the fact Romans held the emperor above Roman citizens but everyone else was held equal before the law.

~Besides, if you want to cite laws, our charter says people have the freedom of thought, however, in reality, they don't. People can think whatever thought except racist ones. Still think the Canadian laws are hot-****?

Maybe you can up your game and prove how Canadian laws stop people thinking racist thoughts? You'll be held in greater respect if you can back up this statement, otherwise be held in contempt as another timewaster

That is the key though. Make it so undefinable, impossible to understand, and so damn mystical that:

1. Claims of racism cannot be refuted, just as you can't refute there are magical fairies that live in your head and control your actions, so long as I state they are completely undetectable.

2. You can use the claim of racism as a one size fits all tool to bash all political opponents in a way that you don't require the nuance of rational, logical arguments.

3. Like any other made up problem, it doesn't have a solution. The first step of problem solving is a clear and concise definition of the problem. Solving racism would eliminate your political tool, therefore make it a completely dynamic and nonsensical problem.

None of this was remotely related to anything I said, why did you quote me?

 

[jonny5]

Good Morning America with Video.

Men arrested at Starbucks were there for business meeting hoping to change 'our lives? - ABC News



Some people are going to judge whatever the black person does and despite all evidence. You'll find ways to suggest this is a set-up, that they can't really be about to do business, that they have to be criminals; whatever they do.

None of that is relevant. Businesses treat people stupidly all the time, for any number of reasons. Reasonable people do not refuse to leave when asked. They leave and file a complaint, complain on twitter or whatever.

 

[sangha]

But I have a point though. Racism would only affect minorities. White people would not be affected. Therefore, you can't make a statement like how racism affects the entire society. It is plain wrong.

I own a share of a business that sells a product to clients all over the Tri-State area, which is NY, NJ, and CT. We deliver by truck and some of our drivers are minorities. If their truck breaks down and the local repair shops wont fix it because they dont like the drivers race, it is my profits that get hurt. The driver still gets paid

 

[Bodi]

Also, seeing a sharp drop in "no coloureds" signs is not necessarily a good thing.

uhh... WTF? :lol:

 

[Bodi]

There are some cases of genuine racism. However, there is also a lot of stuff that just comes down to the minority having his/her feelings hurt. If some white people want to form a community that excludes minorities, I am sure they would cry racism. And they are not being harmed in any way. Their "rights" are also not being infringed upon (there is no such a right as, "white people must live close to you"). They are just excluded, which hurts their feelings. And then they get the government involved. When this happens, it is simply a case of minorities being crybabies.

There may be other instances of hurt feelings. Just can't think of many else right now.

So what you are saying is you dont like minorities and want white people to exclude them from their businesses?

 

[Infinite Chaos]

None of that is relevant. Businesses treat people stupidly all the time, for any number of reasons. Reasonable people do not refuse to leave when asked. They leave and file a complaint, complain on twitter or whatever.

Especially when they have been working months on a business idea. Great idea.

 

[Hatuey]

There is no such thing as turning up 10 minutes early to Starbucks.

Did you start a long diatribe trying to be an authority on when people show or don't show up to Starbucks? Really? All so you could go on rant about how minorities want the special treatment of being able to show up at a coffee place early?

Lol, not even trying to hide it, are you?

Sent from a memo written by Nunes and edited by Trump.

 

[jonny5]

Especially when they have been working months on a business idea. Great idea.

Getting arrested by police is better? Great idea.

 

[KLATTU]

this kind of pandering is why Trump is President.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Getting arrested by police is better? Great idea.

Hey, it's the USA - at least they weren't shot on sight for being black.

Anyhow, being arrested after two minutes in a shop - not stealing or being difficult customers was bad enough and not reason enough for being arrested. The manager overreacted and lost her job, the police over reacted rather than calm things down and their chief has apologised so you lose I'm afraid.

So does America because that's the nation you are.

 

[ajn678]

Hey, it's the USA - at least they weren't shot on sight for being black.

Anyhow, being arrested after two minutes in a shop - not stealing or being difficult customers was bad enough and not reason enough for being arrested. The manager overreacted and lost her job, the police over reacted rather than calm things down and their chief has apologised so you lose I'm afraid.

So does America because that's the nation you are.

This is classic revisionism if I ever saw it. lol

 

[Napoleon]

Hey, it's the USA - at least they weren't shot on sight for being black.

Anyhow, being arrested after two minutes in a shop - not stealing or being difficult customers was bad enough and not reason enough for being arrested. The manager overreacted and lost her job, the police over reacted rather than calm things down and their chief has apologised so you lose I'm afraid.

So does America because that's the nation you are.

Well, the reality is they were arrested after 12 minutes of ignoring multiple orders from the business and the police to vacate the premises. Arrest was their chosen path.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

This is classic revisionism if I ever saw it. lol

Feel free to explain why nearly all responsible have apologised and the manager(less) hasn't been out telling us she actually asked them to a) buy anything b) asked them to leave before calling the police.

~ ignoring multiple orders from the business ~

False.

 

[ajn678]

Feel free to explain why nearly all responsible have apologised and the manager(less) hasn't been out telling us she actually asked them to a) buy anything b) asked them to leave before calling the police.



False.

Because Starbucks is run by apologizing spineless bastards.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Because Starbucks is run by apologizing spineless bastards.

So, not capable of an honest answer then.

Goodbye.