twenty years ago Columbine happened

[Bucky]

Today is the 20-year anniversary of the tragic shooting in Colorado.

Those people that survived will never forget.

A group of Columbine students has started a movement, #mylastshot:

Nearly 20 years after the deadly shooting at the school that took the lives of 13 people, today's students at Columbine High School have started the campaign to turn the tide in the psychology of gun violence.

"We're numb, stuck in a loop, seeing the same images over and over again. So how do we end the cycle?" a video on the campaign's official Twitter page begins. "Sometimes it takes seeing the worst of humanity to bring out the best. The graphic photo of Emmett Till's body helped spark the Civil Rights Movement. Napalm girl helped influence the end of the Vietnam War. And Alan Kurdi created international awareness about the refugee crisis. These images changed the world for the better because we couldn't look away, yet when a shooting happens we're sheltered by the horrors behind the headline. No more."

"If names, stats, and studies aren't going to make a difference, then maybe the graphic images of our death will," one student says in the video while holding up her ID card with the #MyLastShot sticker on it.

#MyLastShot sticker campaign by Columbine students aims to end gun violence - CBS News

 

[TurtleDude]

Today is the 20-year anniversary of the tragic shooting in Colorado.

Those people that survived will never forget.

A group of Columbine students has started a movement, #mylastshot:



#MyLastShot sticker campaign by Columbine students aims to end gun violence - CBS News

So the numerous laws that two Kamikazes violated, didn't stop them, so they think they can bludgeon gun rights with pictures of dead bodies. As usual, high on emotional tripe, low on actual common sense

 

[Captain Adverse]

So the numerous laws that two Kamikazes violated, didn't stop them, so they think they can bludgeon gun rights with pictures of dead bodies. As usual, high on emotional tripe, low on actual common sense

They also forget that the Columbine duo used both pipe and propane bombs.

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If someone wants to do damage and they don't expect to survive, there really is very little one can do other than maintain a constant personal threat awareness and a willingness to act against any threat in self-defense.

Disarming the public would not have prevented the use of those bombs, nor of any sarin or other biological/chemical attacks, arsons, knife attacks, etc.. However, it would limit a person's ability to protect themselves.

It is just fear-mongering and demanding something be done so someone else can "serve and protect." My problem with this ideology is that history shows those who serve and protect often eventually turn into controllers and rulers. :coffeepap:

 

[dogboy49]

Today is the 20-year anniversary of the tragic shooting in Colorado.

Those people that survived will never forget.

A group of Columbine students has started a movement, #mylastshot:



#MyLastShot sticker campaign by Columbine students aims to end gun violence - CBS News

The perfect millennial feelgood "solution". Create a web site. Give people the opportunity to spend a few bucks on something that will never actually be used. Brag about it in various social media echo-chambers. Pat self on back.

Note to self: 10 years from now, check to see if the Mylastshot website still exists.

 

[Noodlegawd]

More than 30 people were probably killed LAST NIGHT by drunk drivers.

Why is it that we're talking about Columbine 20 years later, but nobody has a peep to say about this other easily solvable problem? Could it be that most people only want to solve problems if doing so only requires OTHER people to make sacrifices?

And why is "my last shot" just about publishing images of people killed by gun violence? Why not the victims of drunk and leadfoot drivers, who are far more numerous?

 

[DebateChallenge]

Today is the 20-year anniversary of the tragic shooting in Colorado.

Those people that survived will never forget.

A group of Columbine students has started a movement, #mylastshot:



#MyLastShot sticker campaign by Columbine students aims to end gun violence - CBS News

This is why we need armed faculty and staff in schools.

 

[jamesrage]

More than 30 people were probably killed LAST NIGHT by drunk drivers.

Why is it that we're talking about Columbine 20 years later, but nobody has a peep to say about this other easily solvable problem? Could it be that most people only want to solve problems if doing so only requires OTHER people to make sacrifices?

And why is "my last shot" just about publishing images of people killed by gun violence? Why not the victims of drunk and leadfoot drivers, who are far more numerous?

Because the anti-2nd amendment trash in the media are trying to push for more anti-2nd amendment laws. Or anti-2nd amendment trash in the media hope that anti-2nd amendment trash in office with write dozens of dead on arrival bills in order to make this a 2020 campaign issue. In order to give the impression that politicians who aren't willing to sh!t all over the 2nd amendment must somehow be for the statistically rare mass murders that anti-2nd amendment trash in the media love to make it appear as though they occur every day day 24/7. Its funny that Trump derangement sufferers love to accuse the Russians of meddling in our elections when it is clear that the biggest meddler in our elections is the mainstream media.

 

[nekrodev]

Kinda silly idea, honestly. School shootings, especially, are big emotional events because it's children being murdered, not just people dying in accidents, or gang violence or something, so it hits most people a bit harder. But, generally speaking, none of the major media or social media platforms are going to show or allow people to post that type of thing, either, so it's wasted effort.

The better idea would be for them to focus on the 2020 elections and getting people elected who are going to fight for what they want.

 

[CLAX1911]

More than 30 people were probably killed LAST NIGHT by drunk drivers.

Why is it that we're talking about Columbine 20 years later, but nobody has a peep to say about this other easily solvable problem? Could it be that most people only want to solve problems if doing so only requires OTHER people to make sacrifices?

I think this is mostly about politics. People like the Columbine survivors in the parkland survivors and so forth are used as tools or pawns in a game of political chess.

The more they freak out and get these people to carry on about how guns ruined someone's life the more likely they will be to not even listen to somebody who has a differing opinion.

It's not about the people who died, it's as clear as day when you point out that 30 people died last night from drinking and driving accidents.

Every death is a tragedy. But when you can use it as political leverage people are going to.

And why is "my last shot" just about publishing images of people killed by gun violence? Why not the victims of drunk and leadfoot drivers, who are far more numerous?

all those dead people in traffic accidents don't forward an anti-gun narrative.

Basically put its emotional blackmail.

 

[CLAX1911]

Today is the 20-year anniversary of the tragic shooting in Colorado.

Those people that survived will never forget.

A group of Columbine students has started a movement, #mylastshot:



#MyLastShot sticker campaign by Columbine students aims to end gun violence - CBS News

This is kind of stupid. someone's going to put a sticker on their phone that says in the event that I die from gun violence? That event is profoundly rare.

This isn't the campaign it's a virtue signal.

 

[apdst]

More than 30 people were probably killed LAST NIGHT by drunk drivers.

Why is it that we're talking about Columbine 20 years later, but nobody has a peep to say about this other easily solvable problem? Could it be that most people only want to solve problems if doing so only requires OTHER people to make sacrifices?

And why is "my last shot" just about publishing images of people killed by gun violence? Why not the victims of drunk and leadfoot drivers, who are far more numerous?

Hell, there more than that killed by sober drivers.

 

[nekrodev]

I think this is mostly about politics. People like the Columbine survivors in the parkland survivors and so forth are used as tools or pawns in a game of political chess.

The more they freak out and get these people to carry on about how guns ruined someone's life the more likely they will be to not even listen to somebody who has a differing opinion.

It's not about the people who died, it's as clear as day when you point out that 30 people died last night from drinking and driving accidents.

Every death is a tragedy. But when you can use it as political leverage people are going to.

all those dead people in traffic accidents don't forward an anti-gun narrative.

Basically put its emotional blackmail.

i mean, murder and car accidents aren't really the same, even if you're talking about drunk drivers. compare the number of people killed with guns to the number of people INTENTIONALLY run over by cars, and see how that stacks up. i'll wait.

also, if guns had even HALF of the rules that we have on cars, this kinda **** wouldn't happen nearly as often.

 

[apdst]

I think this is mostly about politics. People like the Columbine survivors in the parkland survivors and so forth are used as tools or pawns in a game of political chess.

The more they freak out and get these people to carry on about how guns ruined someone's life the more likely they will be to not even listen to somebody who has a differing opinion.

It's not about the people who died, it's as clear as day when you point out that 30 people died last night from drinking and driving accidents.

Every death is a tragedy. But when you can use it as political leverage people are going to.

all those dead people in traffic accidents don't forward an anti-gun narrative.

Basically put its emotional blackmail.

The anti-gunners see gun deaths as a gift. Without them, they wouldn't be able to tug at peoples' emotions about banning guns.

They can't wait til there's another headline creating shooting.

 

[apdst]

i mean, murder and car accidents aren't really the same, even if you're talking about drunk drivers. compare the number of people killed with guns to the number of people INTENTIONALLY run over by cars, and see how that stacks up. i'll wait.

also, if guns had even HALF of the rules that we have on cars, this kinda **** wouldn't happen nearly as often.

Murder and suicide aren't the same, but anti-gunners never hesitate to include gun suicides in total gun deaths.

 

[CLAX1911]

i mean, murder and car accidents aren't really the same, even if you're talking about drunk drivers.

the only difference is intent the result is the same. Are you trying to save lives or are you trying to politicize a mass murder. a life is a life one's not worth more because it was ended a certain way. Is it?

compare the number of people killed with guns to the number of people INTENTIONALLY run over by cars, and see how that stacks up. i'll wait.

Why?

also, if guns had even HALF of the rules that we have on cars, this kinda **** wouldn't happen nearly as often.

So there should be laws pertaining to tire tread thickness lights and mirrors on a gun? there should be a certain speed limit for driving your gun? You would have to use a turn signal when making a left turn with your gun?

of the idiotic things I've seen come out of this debate that takes the cake.

A gun is far safer than an automobile that's why there's not nearly as many people accidentally killed with them as there are cars.

 

[nekrodev]

the only difference is intent the result is the same. Are you trying to save lives or are you trying to politicize a mass murder. a life is a life one's not worth more because it was ended a certain way. Is it?

Why?


So there should be laws pertaining to tire tread thickness lights and mirrors on a gun? there should be a certain speed limit for driving your gun? You would have to use a turn signal when making a left turn with your gun?

of the idiotic things I've seen come out of this debate that takes the cake.

A gun is far safer than an automobile that's why there's not nearly as many people accidentally killed with them as there are cars.

people will die due to natural causes and accidents, and i'm certainly not saying we shouldn't do anything about those either, but MURDER is definitely a bit more serious, even if the numbers aren't as big. intent makes all the difference.

i'm sorry if you're not smart enough to translate safety from one object to another without taking it so literally. maybe you should go do something that doesn't require quite as much of your brain, since you clearly have issues with that.

 

[DebateChallenge]

also, if guns had even HALF of the rules that we have on cars, this kinda **** wouldn't happen nearly as often.

So I should be able to buy a gun without having to go through any background check, is that what you're saying?

 

[DebateChallenge]

The anti-gunners see gun deaths as a gift. Without them, they wouldn't be able to tug at peoples' emotions about banning guns.

They can't wait til there's another headline creating shooting.

So by having armed security in schools and other such places that will crush their dreams as there will be no more shootings.

 

[CLAX1911]

people will die due to natural causes and accidents, and i'm certainly not saying we shouldn't do anything about those either, but MURDER is definitely a bit more serious, even if the numbers aren't as big. intent makes all the difference.

true but we already have laws against murder.

i'm sorry if you're not smart enough to translate safety from one object to another without taking it so literally.

we have a lot of laws regarding vehicles and traffic because it is an interaction with the public. A vehicle has an immense amount of force far more than any gun. and we drive them around with other people driving their cars around all the time. We don't do that with guns.

So there would be a huge section governing vehicles because of what they're used for that wouldn't apply to guns or alarm clocks or shoes.

I am smart enough to understand a 3000 pound vehicle that carries passengers in it is a lot different than a weapon that you keep in your pocket.

maybe you should go do something that doesn't require quite as much of your brain, since you clearly have issues with that.

I simply know the difference between a car and a firearm. There are more laws governing vehicles and motor traffic because it is a lot more dangerous.

I've been in several car accidents I've never been shot.

 

[DebateChallenge]

I've been in several car accidents I've never been shot.

How bad were the car accidents you've been in?

 

[CLAX1911]

How bad were the car accidents you've been in?

Define bad in this context.

 

[TurtleDude]

So I should be able to buy a gun without having to go through any background check, is that what you're saying?

Or my Ohio CCW is good in California and I can buy a new gun or used one in any state of the union?

 

[TurtleDude]

How bad were the car accidents you've been in?

Worst one I was in-rain froze on contact-Roadway truck on overpass jackknifed to stop from hitting some guy who had spun out. Went into the Jane Mansfield Bar of the truck in an LN-7 two seater at 65 MPH. Damage-I fractured my navel (yeah it can be done) and my then girlfriend's right breast had a blood vessel break-looked awful-no pain. Never been shot at, but I had some dude try to cut me up with a stiletto. He lost. I was pretty good with a pool cue. two guys jumped me in an alley-I was packing. they lost

 

[DebateChallenge]

Define bad in this context.

Car accidents can range anywhere from a fender bender where nobody gets hurt to a very bad crash where somebody gets killed. Now obviously you've never been in a car accident where you've been killed otherwise you wouldn't be here posting, but have you ever been badly injured in a car crash? Ever have any broken bones or teeth knocked out? Ever been in an accident where somebody was killed? (Somebody other than you of course.)

 

[CLAX1911]

Car accidents can range anywhere from a fender bender where nobody gets hurt to a very bad crash where somebody gets killed. Now obviously you've never been in a car accident where you've been killed otherwise you wouldn't be here posting, but have you ever been badly injured in a car crash? Ever have any broken bones or teeth knocked out? Ever been in an accident where somebody was killed? (Somebody other than you of course.)

No I'm feeling lucky I had a rollover accident what are the only injury I suffered was cuts on my elbow from when my arm went through the glass. I was involved in an accident where somebody was hurt but not severely