Turns out Steven Miller's family were refugee immigrants

[ataraxia]

Steven Miller has been the main architect behind Trump's anti-immigration push. It has been a virulent strain of xenophobia and bigotry- stirring deep-seated anxieties, suspicion, anger, and hatred among a certain nativist segment of the population- a position that pushed Trump over the top in the 2016 presidential election. But the US in the past has traditionally had an official policy of being open to refugees and of at least hearing the case of people fleeing persecution, warfare, famine, etc.... in their own native countries (immortalized in Lazarus' poem inscribed on the bottom of the statue of liberty: "Give me your tired, your poor, your hungry, yearning to breathe free..."). But with Steven Miller behind the Trump's administration's new policies now, those policies are under siege.

Ironically enough, however, it turns out Miller's own great grandparents were Jewish refugees fleeing the Nazi holocause in Germany. They were considered filthy and something less than human, worth burning in an oven so they don't "sully" the master race of the Nazis. So they come here, and are given refuge, and opportunities. And now Miller wants to shut the door on anyone else wanting to do the same.

Miller's uncle has recently spoken out on his nephew's shocking hypocrisy:

David Glosser, uncle to White House senior adviser Stephen Miller, defended an editorial excoriating his nephew and the administration's immigration policy Tuesday, telling CNN, "I felt it was incumbent upon me to raise my voice to let people know that this is a country of immigrants and our family were immigrants -- in fact, we were refugees."

"If my ancestors had not immigrated to the United States when they did, if they waited a few more years until 1924, the door would have been shut," Glosser told CNN's John Berman on "New Day." "My parents would have gone up the crematory chimney, I wouldn't have born, my sister wouldn't have been born and certainly Stephen would never have existed."

Glosser's op-ed, published Monday in Politico, blasts Miller for being an "Immigration Hypocrite," and details his Jewish ancestors' decision to flee Antopol in the early 1900s, a village whose Jewish population was decimated during the Holocaust during World War II. Glosser writes, "I have watched with dismay and increasing horror as my nephew, an educated man who is well aware of his heritage, has become the architect of immigration policies that repudiate the very foundation of our family's life in this country."
Stephen Miller's uncle: 'I felt it was incumbent upon me to raise my voice' against administration's immigration policy - CNNPolitics

So many of these dirty Jews, Irish, Catholics, Poles, Germans, Italians, Amish, Quakers, Puritans, etc.... fled their own sh-thole countries in hordes to find asylum in the new world. And many of them are now die hard Trump supporters, wanting to shut the door on everyone else. Doesn't the glaring hypocrisy bother them even a little bit?

 

[buck]

Ironically enough, however, it turns out Miller's own great grandparents were Jewish refugees fleeing the Nazi holocause in Germany. They were considered filthy and something less than human, worth burning in an oven so they don't "sully" the master race of the Nazis. So they come here, and are given refuge, and opportunities. And now Miller wants to shut the door on anyone else wanting to do the same.

Miller's uncle has recently spoken out on his nephew's shocking hypocrisy

I don't understand this. I guess the argument is that since someone immigrated to the US 115 years ago, a family member can't be anti-illegal immigration or in favor of limiting legal immigration and to do so, makes you a hypocrite.. I am sure some on the left think this is a strong argument, but just seems a stupid argument to me.

Heck, I know people that legally immigrated to the US not that long ago, that support the current policies towards illegal immigrants (and these are left leaning individuals).

 

[poweRob]

I don't understand this. I guess the argument is that since someone immigrated to the US 115 years ago, a family member can't be anti-illegal immigration or in favor of limiting legal immigration and to do so, makes you a hypocrite.. I am sure some on the left think this is a strong argument, but just seems a stupid argument to me.

Heck, I know people that legally immigrated to the US not that long ago, that support the current policies towards illegal immigrants (and these are left leaning individuals).

The point is their laws would've prohibited their own family's migration to US. So basically, hypocrites.

 

[buck]

The point is their laws would've prohibited their own family's migration to US. So basically, hypocrites.

Not really. But I get that's the left's asinine argument. The son is not responsible for the father's decision. Also, it is different times with different requirements for our country then it was over 100 years ago.

 

[KevinKohler]

The point is their laws would've prohibited their own family's migration to US. So basically, hypocrites.

So our laws shouldn't change with the times? I will remember that in the next gun control thread you are active in, lol.

 

[Parrish]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...er-naturalization_us_5b2ba35ae4b0040e27403e42

Another take on Miller's family.

 

[cpwill]

Steven Miller has been the main architect behind Trump's anti-immigration push. It has been a virulent strain of xenophobia and bigotry- stirring deep-seated anxieties, suspicion, anger, and hatred among a certain nativist segment of the population- a position that pushed Trump over the top in the 2016 presidential election. But the US in the past has traditionally had an official policy of being open to refugees and of at least hearing the case of people fleeing persecution, warfare, famine, etc.... in their own native countries (immortalized in Lazarus' poem inscribed on the bottom of the statue of liberty: "Give me your tired, your poor, your hungry, yearning to breathe free..."). But with Steven Miller behind the Trump's administration's new policies now, those policies are under siege.

Ironically enough, however, it turns out Miller's own great grandparents were Jewish refugees fleeing the Nazi holocause in Germany. They were considered filthy and something less than human, worth burning in an oven so they don't "sully" the master race of the Nazis. So they come here, and are given refuge, and opportunities. And now Miller wants to shut the door on anyone else wanting to do the same.

Miller's uncle has recently spoken out on his nephew's shocking hypocrisy:



So many of these dirty Jews, Irish, Catholics, Poles, Germans, Italians, Amish, Quakers, Puritans, etc.... fled their own sh-thole countries in hordes to find asylum in the new world. And many of them are now die hard Trump supporters, wanting to shut the door on everyone else. Doesn't the glaring hypocrisy bother them even a little bit?

If I purchased a car legally, am I still allowed to be against auto theft?

 

[ataraxia]

If I purchased a car legally, am I still allowed to be against auto theft?

Not if what you're doing is not even allowing any more cars to be sold to anyone.

A judge recently was going to hold Sessions in contempt because he had people on an airplane ready to be sent back to their countries before he even had had a chance to hear their case. Trump has said we need to do away with court hearings for these folks altogether.

 

[ataraxia]

So our laws shouldn't change with the times? I will remember that in the next gun control thread you are active in, lol.

How are "the times" different now than in the past that we should now just shut the door on anyone fleeing persecution, warfare, famine, etc...?

 

[Somerville]

Not really. But I get that's the left's asinine argument. The son is not responsible for the father's decision. Also, it is different times with different requirements for our country then it was over 100 years ago.

Punish the son(s) for the sins of the father is called for in the Bible.

(Exodus 34:6-7)--
"The Lord passed before him, and proclaimed,
“The Lord, the Lord,
a God merciful and gracious,
slow to anger,
and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness,
7 keeping steadfast love for the thousandth generation,
forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin,
yet by no means clearing the guilty,
but visiting the iniquity of the parents
upon the children
and the children’s children,
to the third and the fourth generation.” NRSV

 

[ataraxia]

I don't understand this. I guess the argument is that since someone immigrated to the US 115 years ago, a family member can't be anti-illegal immigration or in favor of limiting legal immigration and to do so, makes you a hypocrite...

Unfortunately, Laura Ingraham recently spilled the beans on the REAL reason for the anxieties behind this anti-immigration push. It has nothing to do with legal or illegal. She clearly said what was creating the anxiety was "the demographic changes", "legal and illegal". And Trump just said he wants no one fleeing those "****hole" countries, as if his own ancestors were some kind of princes in their own countries who just came here to grace us with their presence.

It's too late to try to hide behind that fake "we are only against illegal immigration" charge. You are shutting the door on people fleeing death and warfare. And you are not even interested in hearing their case.

 

[Renae]

Steven Miller has been the main architect behind Trump's anti-immigration push. It has been a virulent strain of xenophobia and bigotry- stirring deep-seated anxieties, suspicion, anger, and hatred among a certain nativist segment of the population- a position that pushed Trump over the top in the 2016 presidential election. But the US in the past has traditionally had an official policy of being open to refugees and of at least hearing the case of people fleeing persecution, warfare, famine, etc.... in their own native countries (immortalized in Lazarus' poem inscribed on the bottom of the statue of liberty: "Give me your tired, your poor, your hungry, yearning to breathe free..."). But with Steven Miller behind the Trump's administration's new policies now, those policies are under siege.

Ironically enough, however, it turns out Miller's own great grandparents were Jewish refugees fleeing the Nazi holocause in Germany. They were considered filthy and something less than human, worth burning in an oven so they don't "sully" the master race of the Nazis. So they come here, and are given refuge, and opportunities. And now Miller wants to shut the door on anyone else wanting to do the same.

Miller's uncle has recently spoken out on his nephew's shocking hypocrisy:



So many of these dirty Jews, Irish, Catholics, Poles, Germans, Italians, Amish, Quakers, Puritans, etc.... fled their own sh-thole countries in hordes to find asylum in the new world. And many of them are now die hard Trump supporters, wanting to shut the door on everyone else. Doesn't the glaring hypocrisy bother them even a little bit?

Doesn't your bigotry and dishonesty get old? Let's back track a little. No one wants to shut down immigration, at least not anyone of importance, what we want to do is stop ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

 

[Mycroft]

Steven Miller has been the main architect behind Trump's anti-immigration push. It has been a virulent strain of xenophobia and bigotry- stirring deep-seated anxieties, suspicion, anger, and hatred among a certain nativist segment of the population- a position that pushed Trump over the top in the 2016 presidential election

As usual, a trump hater who won't hesitate to spin, fold and mutilate the facts to create a false narrative.

Let's take a look at the Trump campaign position on refugee immigrants that helped push Trump over the top in the 2016 presidential election, shall we?

Refugee program for American children. Increase standards for the admission of refugees and asylum-seekers to crack down on abuses. Use the monies saved on expensive refugee programs to help place American children without parents in safer homes and communities, and to improve community safety in high crime neighborhoods in the United States.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160701080851/https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

Now...I don't see anything related to "a virulent strain of xenophobia and bigotry- stirring deep-seated anxieties, suspicion, anger, and hatred among a certain nativist segment of the population" in there. All I see is a position that wants to end abuse and use the money saved to aid American children.

Is that REALLY such a bad thing?

 

[Mycroft]

Punish the son(s) for the sins of the father is called for in the Bible.

The bible is your roadmap for your life, eh?

 

[ataraxia]

As usual, a trump hater who won't hesitate to spin, fold and mutilate the facts to create a false narrative.

Let's take a look at the Trump campaign position on refugee immigrants that helped push Trump over the top in the 2016 presidential election, shall we?



Now...I don't see anything related to "a virulent strain of xenophobia and bigotry- stirring deep-seated anxieties, suspicion, anger, and hatred among a certain nativist segment of the population" in there. All I see is a position that wants to end abuse and use the money saved to aid American children.

Is that REALLY such a bad thing?

Increase "standards"? To what? Only white skinned aristocrats coming from developed nations? Like the Norwegians Trump was asking for, right?

Everyone else fleeing real persecution, warfare, famine, poverty, etc...(or even with just a little darker shade of skin) just gets the door shut on their face, right?

 

[ataraxia]

The bible is your roadmap for your life, eh?

No, that's what conservatives tell us is their roadmap. We are just puzzled why they are so selective in their use of it.

 

[trixare4kids]

Steven Miller has been the main architect behind Trump's anti-immigration push. It has been a virulent strain of xenophobia and bigotry- stirring deep-seated anxieties, suspicion, anger, and hatred among a certain nativist segment of the population- a position that pushed Trump over the top in the 2016 presidential election. But the US in the past has traditionally had an official policy of being open to refugees and of at least hearing the case of people fleeing persecution, warfare, famine, etc.... in their own native countries (immortalized in Lazarus' poem inscribed on the bottom of the statue of liberty: "Give me your tired, your poor, your hungry, yearning to breathe free..."). But with Steven Miller behind the Trump's administration's new policies now, those policies are under siege.

Ironically enough, however, it turns out Miller's own great grandparents were Jewish refugees fleeing the Nazi holocause in Germany. They were considered filthy and something less than human, worth burning in an oven so they don't "sully" the master race of the Nazis. So they come here, and are given refuge, and opportunities. And now Miller wants to shut the door on anyone else wanting to do the same.

Miller's uncle has recently spoken out on his nephew's shocking hypocrisy:



So many of these dirty Jews, Irish, Catholics, Poles, Germans, Italians, Amish, Quakers, Puritans, etc.... fled their own sh-thole countries in hordes to find asylum in the new world. And many of them are now die hard Trump supporters, wanting to shut the door on everyone else. Doesn't the glaring hypocrisy bother them even a little bit?

I don't see the hypocrisy. Wanting legal immigration does not make anyone a hypocrite. It's makes them a person who believe in enforcing the rule of law.
His Uncle seems to be confused.

 

[Visbek]

I don't understand this. I guess the argument is that since someone immigrated to the US 115 years ago, a family member can't be anti-illegal immigration or in favor of limiting legal immigration and to do so, makes you a hypocrite.. I am sure some on the left think this is a strong argument, but just seems a stupid argument to me.

Actually, it's pretty obvious. Lemme lay it out for you.

• Miller is against legal refugees who want to enter the US.
• Miller's family were refugees who legally entered the US.
• Miller's entire family could have been killed if the US did not accept refugees.

If Miller was consistent in his views, his own family should not have been allowed to immigrate to the US, even though it would have meant the destruction of his own family.

I.e. Yes, it's hypocritical for the child of refugees to be anti-refugee, and for the child of immigrants to be a nativist.

Heck, I know people that legally immigrated to the US not that long ago, that support the current policies towards illegal immigrants (and these are left leaning individuals).

Miller doesn't just oppose undocumented immigrants. He opposes legal forms of immigration as well. Hence the problem.

 

[Visbek]

I don't see the hypocrisy. Wanting legal immigration does not make anyone a hypocrite. It's makes them a person who believe in enforcing the rule of law.
His Uncle seems to be confused.

Again, Miller is not exclusively opposed to undocumented immigrants. Miller opposes offering refugees a legal route to migrate to the US, and wants to reduce (perhaps eliminate?) legal immigration as well.

 

[Somerville]

The bible is your roadmap for your life, eh?

Nope. I see it as a bit of history, edited and re-written multiple times so that today we truly don't know how much of it is an accurate translation of the ancient tales. Just noting that some Americans however, do see the Bible as "a roadmap for (their) lives"

 

[trixare4kids]

Again, Miller is not exclusively opposed to undocumented immigrants. Miller opposes offering refugees a legal route to migrate to the US, and wants to reduce (perhaps eliminate?) legal immigration as well.

Prove it.

 

[Napoleon]

Increase "standards"? To what? Only white skinned aristocrats coming from developed nations? Like the Norwegians Trump was asking for, right?

Everyone else fleeing real persecution, warfare, famine, poverty, etc...(or even with just a little darker shade of skin) just gets the door shut on their face, right?

I think the Trump administration has held up the stiff immigration/naturalization requirements of our allies as the example.

 

[Mycroft]

Increase "standards"? To what? Only white skinned aristocrats coming from developed nations? Like the Norwegians Trump was asking for, right?

Everyone else fleeing real persecution, warfare, famine, poverty, etc...(or even with just a little darker shade of skin) just gets the door shut on their face, right?

Do "white skinned aristrocrats coming from developed nations...Norwegians" commonly try to enter the US as refugee immigrants? I don't think so.

Anyway, the answer to your question was in the quote I gave you: "to crack down on abuses".

Trump has said nothing about shutting the door in anyone's face.

Please stop pushing your false narrative. It's dishonest.

 

[Mycroft]

No, that's what conservatives tell us is their roadmap. We are just puzzled why they are so selective in their use of it.

Really? That's a conservative roadmap? I don't think so.

I'm a conservative and I don't have a religious bone in my body. I don't follow the bible.

Could it be you are dishonestly stereotyping conservatives because some people profess to follow the bible? Yeah. Admit your dishonesty, eh?

 

[Mycroft]

Nope. I see it as a bit of history, edited and re-written multiple times so that today we truly don't know how much of it is an accurate translation of the ancient tales. Just noting that some Americans however, do see the Bible as "a roadmap for (their) lives"

Ahhh..."some". Who cares what "some Americans" do?

Maybe you should get back on topic, eh?