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Turkey's Erdogan 'threw Trump's Syria letter in bin'

Grand Mal said:
Sorry, bud, but a good percentage of the minority who voted for Trump only did so to keep a SCOTUS nomination out of the Democrats hands. The held their noses while they did it and they won't feel the same urgency next year, unless a couple SC justices die in the meantime. They don't support a dimbulb like Trump. Know who else won't vote? Thousands of evangelical Christians who hate pornography and everyone involved with it. None of those people support an amoral scumbag like your Dear Leader.
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You are obviously unqualified to read the minds of millions of Trump supporters who still support him today and hopefully will still be supporting him in 2020.
 
marke said:
The majority of the supposed minority of Americans who elected Trump don't "friggin care" what the crybaby democrats still think about Trump for spanking Hillary's bad bottom in 2016.
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Once again, nobody cares what they think.
 
marke said:
You are obviously unqualified to read the minds of millions of Trump supporters who still support him today and hopefully will still be supporting him in 2020.
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Know who will be voting? Tens of thousands of young people who have been told by Republicans to sit down and shut up because their opinions don't matter, they'll be voting for the first time. They'll make a point of it. Know who else will be voting for sure? Tens of thousands of Democratic knotheads who sat out the last time because Hillary was a shoe-in. They won't do that again.
 
marke said:
Americans also did not elect Lindsey Graham to dictate foreign policy to President Trump.
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Someone forgot his own post.

marke said:
Democrat amateur armchair foreign policy 'geniuses' want Trump removed from office because they think he is stupid and making bad decisions. Democrat armchair amateur self-exalting 'diplomats' are stupid and make bad decisions.
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Lindsey Graham has publicly said how bad Trump's policy is. Graham - he's a crazy Democrat!
 
marke said:
You are obviously unqualified to read the minds of millions of Trump supporters who still support him today and hopefully will still be supporting him in 2020.
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The majority of Americans didnt matter and still dont matter. Those people mathematically are the minority as are you.
 
bomberfox said:
The majority of Americans didnt matter and still dont matter. Those people mathematically are the minority as are you.
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Christians are also more of a minority than are those who elected Trump to office. So what?
 
HenryChinaski said:
Turkey's Erdogan 'threw Trump's Syria letter in bin' - BBC News
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In the letter dated 9 October, and sent after US troops were pulled out of Syria, Mr Trump told Mr Erdogan: "Don't be a tough guy. Don't be a fool!"

President Trump was urging Turkey not to launch a military offensive against Kurdish-led forces in northern Syria, but Mr Erdogan ignored this request.View attachment 67266414 ��
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And then Erdogan signed onto a ceasefire agreement.
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Grand Mal said:
Know who will be voting? Tens of thousands of young people who have been told by Republicans to sit down and shut up because their opinions don't matter, they'll be voting for the first time. They'll make a point of it. Know who else will be voting for sure? Tens of thousands of Democratic knotheads who sat out the last time because Hillary was a shoe-in. They won't do that again.
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You spelled millions wrong ;)
 
Mycroft said:
And right after he did that, Trump slapped him upside the head with sanctions and a promise of more to come. Then Erdogan said, "Oh, ****!!" begged Trump to call him about negotiations.
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They were pretty limited sanctions; three ministers, and two departments. The ceasefire is all well and good for the next five days, and then we'll see what conversation Erdogan has with Putin. What I'm wondering is whether this is the door opening for a real shift in power in the region. Erdogan and others know Trump will be facing re-election and will use that as leverage given Trump's isolationist stance.
 
ElChupacabra said:
They were pretty limited sanctions; three ministers, and two departments. The ceasefire is all well and good for the next five days, and then we'll see what conversation Erdogan has with Putin. What I'm wondering is whether this is the door opening for a real shift in power in the region. Erdogan and others know Trump will be facing re-election and will use that as leverage given Trump's isolationist stance.
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As far as I'm concerned, they can shift wherever they want. But don't forget about Assad. After all, it's his country that Turkey has invaded. Putin is tied to Assad more than he is to Erdogan.
 
marke said:
Trump consulted no one? Have you got access to current democrat wire taps on the oval office?

Democrat reporters and democrat politicians claim Trump is making big mistakes in foreign policy, but that is not the majority opinion of those Americans who voted him into office.
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I guess I was referring to those with some form of Foreign Policy experience and expertise. Those who job it is to advise him. Those who's advise he sought not.

I should have made it clear I was not referring to those who voted republican because that is what Daddy did and that is what Grandfather did.
 
marke said:
Nobody can name the tens of millions of Americans who support Trump and voted him into office. Try to use some common sense.
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How many of those people know what continent Syria is in? The President hires experts in various fields to help him make the best policy decisions he can, in those various fields.

One man cannot be an expert in everything. Perhaps if chose to use the advise of the expertise at his disposal, rather than the advise of Erdogan, he may have chosen a different path to achieve his objective. One that made sense. One that did not result in the forseable deaths of allies in the fight against ISIS.

America convinced the Kurds to take down the fortifications that were protecting them from Turkey and to move them to the ISIS front. In exchange Americans would protect them from the Turks by just being there.

The Kurds agreed, They fought and beat ISIS. They knew that the Americans would not stay forever, but they assumed that they would be given enough warning to have time to rebuild the original fortifications. They were given about 8 hours notice. With friends like that....
 
Mycroft said:
As far as I'm concerned, they can shift wherever they want. But don't forget about Assad. After all, it's his country that Turkey has invaded. Putin is tied to Assad more than he is to Erdogan.
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Well by the looks of it Putin may end up being the power broker in the region if he's able to step in and sort this out without getting Russia too involved in a ground war. Again, this is more about who will be the power people turn to, and if the US wants to abdicate that position then it will have other consequences as well since its interests aren't just strategic ones militarily. That US troops are leaving Syria in the worst possible way (turn tail and run) was completely unnecessary and bad optics considering none of the troops there were under the same threat as they are in Afghanistan.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Well by the looks of it Putin may end up being the power broker in the region if he's able to step in and sort this out without getting Russia too involved in a ground war. Again, this is more about who will be the power people turn to, and if the US wants to abdicate that position then it will have other consequences as well since its interests aren't just strategic ones militarily. That US troops are leaving Syria in the worst possible way (turn tail and run) was completely unnecessary and bad optics considering none of the troops there were under the same threat as they are in Afghanistan.
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Let Putin have it.

What other consequences?

Unnecessary? Yes...I suppose we could have left our 50 soldiers there to be a (small) speed bump that would get us into a war with a fellow NATO country. But hey...bad optics, you know.

btw, Trump is working on Afghanistan, too. He'll get the US out of there...bad optics and all.
 
This is what happens when you have a feckless manbaby dolt in the white house.
 
Donald Trump really needs for his daddy to be around to bail him out.
 
Mycroft said:
Let Putin have it.

What other consequences?

Unnecessary? Yes...I suppose we could have left our 50 soldiers there to be a (small) speed bump that would get us into a war with a fellow NATO country. But hey...bad optics, you know.
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Do you seriously think Erdogan was going to risk going into a direct conflict with the US? Had Turkey been interested in doing so they could have moved in before. Turkey would have to be on self destruct mode if they were looking to get into a war with the US.

As for Putin, the gains here are in soft power and influence, so I'll assume you share Trump's view that the US should shrink it's power; soft or otherwise. So if the US isn't interested in the regional allies anymore, then I suppose we should be pulling troops from Saudi Arabia as well.
 
Does 45 think someone is gonna nominate him for the Nobel?
 
ElChupacabra said:
Do you seriously think Erdogan was going to risk going into a direct conflict with the US? Had Turkey been interested in doing so they could have moved in before. Turkey would have to be on self destruct mode if they were looking to get into a war with the US.

As for Putin, the gains here are in soft power and influence, so I'll assume you share Trump's view that the US should shrink it's power; soft or otherwise. So if the US isn't interested in the regional allies anymore, then I suppose we should be pulling troops from Saudi Arabia as well.
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Syria isn't a "regional ally". Saudi Arabia is.
 
Mycroft said:
Syria isn't a "regional ally". Saudi Arabia is.
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So were the Kurds while they were fighting ISIS. Also, we've armed Saudi Arabia very well. Why are we sending almost 2,000 troops there instead of bringing them home if we're truly not interested in "endless wars"? At some point the Saudi/Iran proxy war will come to a head. I'm not sure why we'd want to have our troops anywhere near that crap show when it goes down; if we're taking the isolationist stance that is.
 
It’s all good. Trump did major damage control with his follow up letter to the Turkish president..64AEBBA6-E210-421F-81A7-A7D6900CD18E.webp
 
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