Turkey fired on U.S. special forces in Syria. It's absurd that it still has U.S. nukes.

[TU Curmudgeon]

Apparently Grade 3 History in Canada is massively deficient, because you seem to have forgotten that there were colonies in North America long before the British Empire showed up.

You should really try reading for content. It was the BRITISH colonies (including the colonies which Great Britain took away from other countries) which formed the United States of America.

Please provide evidence of agents of the draft board hijacking airplanes and grabbing random passengers off them to enlist in the United States military. I’ll wait. Trying to claim it was “equivalent to the draft” is idiotic.

Did you know that "equivalent" and "identical" do NOT mean the same thing?

Again, considering that your beloved empire routinely did that on a global basis—- and that draining wealth was the explicit purpose of colonial regimes in the first place, you crying about it is rather funny.

I can't see where you get that I am "crying" about anything when I point out that BOTH Great Britain and the United States of America did (essentially) the same things.

Except the American colonies rebelled against the British Empire.....before the abuses and the bulk of the wars of imperial conquest took place.

Indeed, the leaders of SOME OF Great Britain's colonies in North America did rebel against the government of Great Britain. Of course one of the "causes" of that rebellion was the fact that the government of Great Britain wanted those colonies to pay for the cost of the British troops that those colonies were demanding that be sent to those colonies so that those colonies could expand the territory that had been taken away from its original owners.

Canada, on the other hand, stayed loyal and happily participated in whatever atrocities the Empire “needed”.

Yep, once the US had gained it's independence, it had to go off and invent its own "atrocities".

Ignores the fact that it was the Kaiser’s pursuit of a “place in the sun” which had turned the whole place into a tinderbox to begin with....doesn’t it?

The Kaiser wasn't seeking any additional territory in Europe - was he?

The British only gave Ireland a choice after force of arms made it clear they couldn’t keep the island under control any longer, and only after they committed plenty of atrocities.

No one is arguing that Great Britain did NOT commit "plenty of atrocities" are they? However, one of us IS arguing that the United States of America has NEVER committed any "atrocities".

The British, again, only granted India independence after it was made very clear to them that they could no longer control it, and even they botched the partition horrifically.
Quit India Movement - Wikipedia
Partition of India - Wikipedia

The Brits also left India with a fully functional government that governed the whole country.

The British only granted Kenya independence after committing horrific atrocities

I guess that you've never heard of the "Mau Mau" either.

The fact is, the British Empire—and it’s loyal supporters in Canada and elsewhere—committed horrific atrocities on a routine basis and only gave up control over a country if there was no possible way that they could hold on any longer.

Sort of like the Phippines, eh wot?

PS - When is the United States of America going to return its sovereignty to the Kingdom of Hawai'i or the sovereignty to the several Native American nations which it pledged to respect?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Oh look, even more empire fanboying from you.

Yep, the British were forced to stop snatching sailors off American ships—and no, they were not particularly scrupulous about determining who was a “British subject”.

Yep, the British influence in the Old Northwest was destroyed.

Yep, a British army got absolutely obliterated outside New Orleans.

Yes, yes, we all know that’s it’s only the British Empire which is allowed to indulge in militaristic empire building :roll:

The rest of your post is nothing more than more fanboying drivel

I didn't say anything about "allowed to" but I did point out that the United States of America was just as guilty of "militaristic empire building" as Great Britain was. When the US returns the lands that it has taken by military force (or "purchased" at the point of a gun [or stolen through fraudulent "referendums" {or accepted as "war booty"}]) THEN I will agree that the US government has the right to "take the moral high ground" - PROVIDED that it acknowledges that its actions were, although sanctified by the customs of the day, wrong and should NOT have been taken.

Lest you be confused by that statement, I consider that

1. the actions of BOTH the government of Great Britain and the government of the United States of America were "wrong",
   *
2. BOTH the government of Great Britain and the government of the United States of America committed "atrocities", and
   *
3. BOTH the government of Great Britain and the government of the United States of America should admit the errors of their actions (even though those actions were sanctified by the customs of the day).

Unlike you, I DO NOT I consider that

• ONLY the actions of the government of Great Britain were "wrong" while
  • the actions of the government of the United States of America were "right",
  *
• ONLY the government of Great Britain committed "atrocities" while
  • the government of the United States of America NEVER committed "atrocities", or
  *
• ONLY the government of Great Britain should admit the errors of their actions (even though those actions were sanctified by the customs of the day) while
  • the government of the United States of America has no errors to admit to (even if those [non-existent] actions would have been sanctified by the customs of the day).

 

[Tigerace117]

You should really try reading for content. It was the BRITISH colonies (including the colonies which Great Britain took away from other countries) which formed the United States of America.



Did you know that "equivalent" and "identical" do NOT mean the same thing?



I can't see where you get that I am "crying" about anything when I point out that BOTH Great Britain and the United States of America did (essentially) the same things.



Indeed, the leaders of SOME OF Great Britain's colonies in North America did rebel against the government of Great Britain. Of course one of the "causes" of that rebellion was the fact that the government of Great Britain wanted those colonies to pay for the cost of the British troops that those colonies were demanding that be sent to those colonies so that those colonies could expand the territory that had been taken away from its original owners.



Yep, once the US had gained it's independence, it had to go off and invent its own "atrocities".



The Kaiser wasn't seeking any additional territory in Europe - was he?



No one is arguing that Great Britain did NOT commit "plenty of atrocities" are they? However, one of us IS arguing that the United States of America has NEVER committed any "atrocities".



The Brits also left India with a fully functional government that governed the whole country.



I guess that you've never heard of the "Mau Mau" either
PS - When is the United States of America going to return its sovereignty to the Kingdom of Hawai'i or the sovereignty to the several Native American nations which it pledged to respect?

And as I previously stated, there were other colonies in North America even before the British showed up, so there was always going to be a country equivalent to the United States. It would have a different name, different culture, and different history but it would still, at the end of the day, be an America.

Considering that the draft is neither equivalent nor identical to your beloved empire snatching sailors off neutral ships, the distinction is moot.

Except they didn’t do the same things.

Yes, the government of Great Britain decided that the colonists, who had fought for Great Britain without complaint in Great Britain’s wars of imperial conquest, should be heavily taxed to pay off the debts incurred by Great Britain’s wars of imperial conquest...without the benefit of actually having a say in the decision making process.

Funny how people could have an issue with that.

Gee, other than turning Eastern Europe into a network of puppet states?

Oh really? Please point out the specific spot where I said the US has never committed any atrocities. Compared to the British Empire and it’s “loyal dominions” the US is a lightweight in that category.

You claimed that the US was the only one which had to gain independence by force of arms. That is patently untrue.

:lamo

“Fully functional”

The British botched the partition as badly as it was humanly possible to. The borders were unclear pretty much until the minute of actual independence which caused an immense refugee crisis and massive bloodshed. That’s not even getting into the numerous atrocities they committed while in control of India.

“What about the Mau Mau” is not an excuse for committing numerous atrocities including torture, rape, castration, etc in a desperate attempt to preserve colonial rule.

“She calculated that the camps had held not 80,000 detainees, as official figures stated, but between 160,000 and 320,000. She also came to understand that colonial authorities had herded Kikuyu women and children into some 800 enclosed villages dispersed across the countryside. These heavily patrolled villages – cordoned off by barbed wire, spiked trenches and watchtowers – amounted to another form of detention. In camps, villages and other outposts, the Kikuyu suffered forced labour, disease, starvation, torture, rape and murder.”

But the Mau Mau! :roll:

Actually, the US had begun the process to grant Filipino independence in 1934

Tydings& - Wikipedia

“The Tydings–McDuffie Act specified a procedural framework for the drafting of a constitution for the government of the Commonwealth of the Philippines within two years of its enactment. The act specified a number of mandatory constitutional provisions, and required approval of the constitution by the U.S. President and by Filipinos. The act mandated U.S. recognition of independence of the Philippine Islands as a separate and self-governing nation after a ten-year transition period.[2]”

Which was interrupted by World War Two......and then saw Filipino independence granted pretty much immediately afterwords.

So in other words, not even remotely like the British Empire.

Right after Canada grants independence to Quebec, Alberta, Saskatchewan and all of their own native peoples.

 

[Tigerace117]

I didn't say anything about "allowed to" but I did point out that the United States of America was just as guilty of "militaristic empire building" as Great Britain was. When the US returns the lands that it has taken by military force (or "purchased" at the point of a gun [or stolen through fraudulent "referendums" {or accepted as "war booty"}]) THEN I will agree that the US government has the right to "take the moral high ground" - PROVIDED that it acknowledges that its actions were, although sanctified by the customs of the day, wrong and should NOT have been taken.

Lest you be confused by that statement, I consider that

1. the actions of BOTH the government of Great Britain and the government of the United States of America were "wrong",
   *
2. BOTH the government of Great Britain and the government of the United States of America committed "atrocities", and
   *
3. BOTH the government of Great Britain and the government of the United States of America should admit the errors of their actions (even though those actions were sanctified by the customs of the day).

Unlike you, I DO NOT I consider that

• ONLY the actions of the government of Great Britain were "wrong" while
  • the actions of the government of the United States of America were "right",
  *
• ONLY the government of Great Britain committed "atrocities" while
  • the government of the United States of America NEVER committed "atrocities", or
  *
• ONLY the government of Great Britain should admit the errors of their actions (even though those actions were sanctified by the customs of the day) while
  • the government of the United States of America has no errors to admit to (even if those [non-existent] actions would have been sanctified by the customs of the day).

Coming from someone who happily ignored the fact that Ireland, India, South Africa, and numerous other countries only gained independence from your beloved empire after showing they were willing to fight for it, your posturing is rather hilarious.

Considering your wailing about how the US “didn’t consult the people of the lands they took about whether or not they liked the government they had in charge” the posturing about the British Empire is also rather funny.

But unsurprising given Canadians happily supported the British Empire’s wars of imperial aggression.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Coming from someone who happily ignored the fact that Ireland, India, South Africa, and numerous other countries only gained independence from your beloved empire after showing they were willing to fight for it, your posturing is rather hilarious.

Considering your wailing about how the US “didn’t consult the people of the lands they took about whether or not they liked the government they had in charge” the posturing about the British Empire is also rather funny.

But unsurprising given Canadians happily supported the British Empire’s wars of imperial aggression.

Thank you for totally ignoring the entire content of my post. I was desperately in need of a reality deficient whining rant this morning.

 

[Tigerace117]

Thank you for totally ignoring the entire content of my post. I was desperately in need of a reality deficient whining rant this morning.

Oh look, the British empire fanboy is throwing a tantrum because he can’t handle facts. Too funny :lamo

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Oh look, the British empire fanboy is throwing a tantrum because he can’t handle facts. Too funny :lamo

Thank you for totally ignoring the entire content of my post. I was desperately in need of a reality deficient whining rant this morning.

 

[Tigerace117]

Thank you for totally ignoring the entire content of my post. I was desperately in need of a reality deficient whining rant this morning.

Oh look, the British empire fanboy is throwing a tantrum because he can’t handle facts. Too funny :lamo

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Oh look, the British empire fanboy is throwing a tantrum because he can’t handle facts. Too funny :lamo

I was once told that you could judge the intelligence of a person by the degree to which their attempts at insults showed originality, wit, and varied vocabulary while avoiding "labels" and childishness.

Over the past 50+ years that advice has proven to be correct more often than not.

 

[Tigerace117]

I was once told that you could judge the intelligence of a person by the degree to which their attempts at insults showed originality, wit, and varied vocabulary while avoiding "labels" and childishness.

Over the past 50+ years that advice has proven to be correct more often than not.

“Intelligence”...gee, like how you somehow managed to miss the fact that your beloved empire only pulled out of its colonies after the locals used force of arms to make to clear they weren’t welcome....and they didn’t have the ability to simply slaughter said locals en masses like they had in the past.

Or how you threw a tantrum about how the US “didn’t consult the Canadians about whether or not they liked the government they had in charge”.....ignoring the numerous countries conquered—without benefit of said consultation—by the British Empire.

Or how you blithering about Napoleonic France “trying to take over the world”...and ignored the fact that the British Empire attempted the exact same thing.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

“Intelligence”...gee, like how you somehow managed to miss the fact that your beloved empire only pulled out of its colonies after the locals used force of arms to make to clear they weren’t welcome....and they didn’t have the ability to simply slaughter said locals en masses like they had in the past.

Or how you threw a tantrum about how the US “didn’t consult the Canadians about whether or not they liked the government they had in charge”.....ignoring the numerous countries conquered—without benefit of said consultation—by the British Empire.

Or how you blithering about Napoleonic France “trying to take over the world”...and ignored the fact that the British Empire attempted the exact same thing.

I was once told that you could judge the intelligence of a person by the degree to which their attempts at insults showed originality, wit, and varied vocabulary while avoiding "labels" and childishness.

Over the past 50+ years that advice has proven to be correct more often than not.

You aren't providing any evidence to the contrary.

 

[Tigerace117]

I was once told that you could judge the intelligence of a person by the degree to which their attempts at insults showed originality, wit, and varied vocabulary while avoiding "labels" and childishness.

Over the past 50+ years that advice has proven to be correct more often than not.

You aren't providing any evidence to the contrary.

“Intelligence”...gee, like how you somehow managed to miss the fact that your beloved empire only pulled out of its colonies after the locals used force of arms to make to clear they weren’t welcome....and they didn’t have the ability to simply slaughter said locals en masses like they had in the past.

Or how you threw a tantrum about how the US “didn’t consult the Canadians about whether or not they liked the government they had in charge”.....ignoring the numerous countries conquered—without benefit of said consultation—by the British Empire.

Or how you blithering about Napoleonic France “trying to take over the world”...and ignored the fact that the British Empire attempted the exact same thing.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

“Intelligence”...gee, like how you somehow managed to miss the fact that your beloved empire only pulled out of its colonies after the locals used force of arms to make to clear they weren’t welcome....and they didn’t have the ability to simply slaughter said locals en masses like they had in the past.

Or how you threw a tantrum about how the US “didn’t consult the Canadians about whether or not they liked the government they had in charge”.....ignoring the numerous countries conquered—without benefit of said consultation—by the British Empire.

Or how you blithering about Napoleonic France “trying to take over the world”...and ignored the fact that the British Empire attempted the exact same thing.

Thank you for brilliant examples of the

• "It's just peachy-keen for us to do it because other people did it before we did it and it is absolutely horrible for those other people to do what they did."
  *
• "Just because it happened before you were born that doesn't mean that you aren't to blame for it happening."
  *
  and
  *
• "As long as I call it 'naturally occurring biodegradable solid organic waste products' what comes out of my butt doesn't stink like your s**t does."

schools of logic.

 

[Tigerace117]

Thank you for brilliant examples of the

• "It's just peachy-keen for us to do it because other people did it before we did it and it is absolutely horrible for those other people to do what they did."
  *
• "Just because it happened before you were born that doesn't mean that you aren't to blame for it happening."
  *
  and
  *
• "As long as I call it 'naturally occurring biodegradable solid organic waste products' what comes out of my butt doesn't stink like your s**t does."

schools of logic.

Which was the exact school of “logic” you used, and considering that many of the British Empire’s wars of imperial conquest occurred after 1812, your posturing is even more laughable.

Considering that you attempted to justify the atrocities with such gems as “what about the Mau Mau”(oh, and unless you think the average American lives to be over two hundred, did the exact same thing you were whining about) your posturing is, again, laughable.

That’s not even getting into the irony of a British Empire fanboy whining about someone else trying to take over the world....oh, and then whining about the US as a neutral power which had absolutely no obligation to do so, going above and beyond to prevent Britain from starving even before we entered the war....twice.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Which

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[Tigerace117]

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The fact that you keep coming back and posting more drivel makes it fairly clear that your whining is, as usual, laughably hypocritical.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

The fact that you keep coming back and posting more drivel makes it fairly clear that your whining is, as usual, laughably hypocritical.

No matter how hard you try, you cannot receive multiple awards for the same topic.

 

[Tigerace117]

No matter how hard you try, you cannot receive multiple awards for the same topic.

And you came crawling back again. What a surprise....not.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

And you came crawling back again. What a surprise....not.

Mother taught me that it wasn't polite to ignore people - no matter how ignorant, uninformed, dogmatic, and illogical.

Mother also taught me that I could make exceptions.