Trump's worst legal nightmare isn't Robert Mueller: Meet Letitia James

[prometeus]

and what does that mean.

That there are far too many imbeciles that think that, to paraphrase Asimov, that in a democratic process, their ignorance is just as good as knowledge.

What exact benefit do people like you get from trying to convince yourselves that you are smarter than those who voted for Trump?

I do not have to convince myself and there is always the hope that people who lack knowledge but have some integrity will try to improve their knowledge.

 

[TurtleDude]

That there are far too many imbeciles that think that, to paraphrase Asimov, that in a democratic process, their ignorance is just as good as knowledge.

I do not have to convince myself and there is always the hope that people who lack knowledge but have some integrity will try to improve their knowledge.

I am not going to claim I am smarter than you but I certainly know what is better for me in terms of elected officials than you do (as to me). So I really get a bit tired of people who act like they are in a position to tell me that my vote is uninformed. Now if someone claims they are say pro gun rights and they thought Hillary was a better choice-or they are pro gay rights and they think Trump's judicial picks are more likely to support that issue than Hillary's -that is grounds for argument. But not what you think is best for you or vice-versa

 

[prometeus]

this is the difference between you and I.

I am sure there is more.

I fully understand there are good reasons for intelligent people to support Hillary.

You mean those on your bigoted list?

I picked Trump mainly because I want pro-gun judges and so far Trump has delivered.

So you are reduced to a single issue? Do you think that Kasich, or Bush or Huntsman or Rubio would have not done that same?

Liberals have a habit of pretending they know what is best for others

I am sure not more that evangelicals.

because you really haven't a clue what is best for me.

Nor do I particularly care but I do know what it takes to be a supporter of a constant liar, con man, adulterer, narcissistic asshole.

 

[TurtleDude]

I am sure there is more.

You mean those on your bigoted list?

So you are reduced to a single issue? Do you think that Kasich, or Bush or Huntsman or Rubio would have not done that same?

I am sure not more that evangelicals.

Nor do I particularly care but I do know what it takes to be a supporter of a constant liar, con man, adulterer, narcissistic asshole.

I get you have a serious case of Trump hate. I get you probably ignored the 40+ posts of mine where I said I did not support Trump in the primary but rather Kasich. BTW tell me what Trump has done that objectively harms you.

 

[Fearandloathing]

It is easy to manipulate the uneducated.

New story out today quotes a review of the Russians activities, saying it was heavily aimed at blacks; that it has not relented and continues to this day, from propaganda about the Syrian wall to items designed to cast doubt on the political process, suppressing voters through the idea it's all a lost cause.

I am astonished at how effective it is. I mean a free vote is crucial to democracy. Not only are the Russians calling your shots, but Republicans on the way out are trying to cripple the new governments, partly through more voter suppression.

America is beyond corrupt, even the few honorable people left this not even seen as a serious matter, those who benefited from the Russian attack are completely comfortable with the result and most I hear DEFEND the Russian action. That's disgusting in the extreme. If you don't care about the vote and let these assholes run your country you deserve everything that happens.

Your president is a lying, cheating coward and half the country LIKES that.

 

[Fearandloathing]

that claim might not be the biggest lie on this board but its certainly one of the most hysterically hyperbolic bit of TDS inspired nonsense

Name ONE president who is known for his lying.

He is the biggest, mos dishonest piece of **** EVER to be allowed into the Offal Office. Now your Man Crush is claiming the FBI "terrorized" Cohen's offices, the raid was illegal, undermining further one of the crucial aspects of the country and all you Trump addicts can do is throw back lame bull****.

FOR ONCE, I would like to hear ONE honest Trump supporter in ADMIT he has lied even once.

I don't respond to you usually but this was so ****ing demented and shallow I had to make note of it. Let me know when you can respond without accusing and insulting your debate opponent...

..........oh ****, my bad.....that humanly impossible I think

 

[prometeus]

I get you have a serious case of Trump hate. I get you probably ignored the 40+ posts of mine where I said I did not support Trump in the primary but rather Kasich. BTW tell me what Trump has done that objectively harms you.

When it comes to the presidency it is more than about just me. It is yet again a narrow perspective you are demonstrating and just for the record, I really do not give a crap about Trump as an individual and as such hate would be a total waste. However I am not blind to what he is and is doing.

 

[TurtleDude]

Name ONE president who is known for his lying.

He is the biggest, mos dishonest piece of **** EVER to be allowed into the Offal Office. Now your Man Crush is claiming the FBI "terrorized" Cohen's offices, the raid was illegal, undermining further one of the crucial aspects of the country and all you Trump addicts can do is throw back lame bull****.

FOR ONCE, I would like to hear ONE honest Trump supporter in ADMIT he has lied even once.

I don't respond to you usually but this was so ****ing demented and shallow I had to make note of it. Let me know when you can respond without accusing and insulting your debate opponent...

..........oh ****, my bad.....that humanly impossible I think

THE OBAMA birthers were bad. The idiots who called W sElected were stupid as were the clowns who pretended that W was less intelligent than Gore or Kerry. But the absolutely off the rails TDS nonsense is the nadir in terms of this issue that I have experienced in my lifetime. You aren't even a US resident and you are pretending Trump is the AntiChrist.

It's hilarious.

EDIT-yeah I admit Trump lies. He lies or exaggerates constantly.

 

[prometeus]

New story out today quotes a review of the Russians activities, saying it was heavily aimed at blacks; that it has not relented and continues to this day, from propaganda about the Syrian wall to items designed to cast doubt on the political process, suppressing voters through the idea it's all a lost cause.

I am astonished at how effective it is. I mean a free vote is crucial to democracy. Not only are the Russians calling your shots, but Republicans on the way out are trying to cripple the new governments, partly through more voter suppression.

America is beyond corrupt, even the few honorable people left this not even seen as a serious matter, those who benefited from the Russian attack are completely comfortable with the result and most I hear DEFEND the Russian action. That's disgusting in the extreme. If you don't care about the vote and let these assholes run your country you deserve everything that happens.

Of course I care and I do all I can against it.

Your president is a lying, cheating coward and half the country LIKES that.

That he is and it is tragic that so many still kiss his ass.

 

[TurtleDude]

When it comes to the presidency it is more than about just me. It is yet again a narrow perspective you are demonstrating and just for the record, I really do not give a crap about Trump as an individual and as such hate would be a total waste. However I am not blind to what he is and is doing.

and I believe the judicial picks he has made are good for America.

 

[Fearandloathing]

I repeat too. Tax fraud in New York State. Investigation is necessary to uncover crimes and bring charges. Trump is being investigated out the ying yang, crimes to be uncovered and charges to follow. I'm good with just damaging him as much as possible to set up the 2020 election if he lasts that long.

This is their new meme. I do believe Clinton lost even more.

But their victory is hollow as the vote was entirely directed by the Russians....and is STILL happening, so claiming Trump faired better is like saying the kid who cheated on the test was smarter than the rest.

The vote was crooked.

History is already being much kinder to Obama...look, there are a majority of Republicans who DO NOT WANT Obamacare rolled back any further. It's now very popular, and as I predicted when passed Americans won't want it gone.

I am not so sure Trump will be a one term. He has successfully redrawn much of the voting landscape, voter suppression is an all time high and these days you can say anything and the Trump base will believe it.

I believe we are about to see the ugliest election in US history, and a Republican supreme court to make sure the whole thing can be a fait accompli before all the ballots are found and counted.

Your not a democracy but in name only. Think of Russia and Putin and their elections and you will get my meaning.

Oh, found a piece about the Trump family - its said he wants his daughter to succeed him after his second term. And you thought the Bush family was bad.

 

[prometeus]

and I believe the judicial picks he has made are good for America.

Gorsuch? A man who would rather have a driver freeze to death. Sure he is good for corporate America but not for the people. Kavaugh is a partisan tool. There are far better conservative justices that are not partisan hacks.

 

[Fearandloathing]

You make very foolish statements. You claim to be against investigations of Trump calling them witch hunts. Now you claim he is innocent until proven guilty. Huh huh....That's why there is an investigation so evidence can be gathered.
You have no idea what I believed about the "kev" situation. You have no idea what I care about evidence or corroboration. You seem to have completely run out of steam and rationality, and are flailing wildly here. Maybe a nice nap would help.

As a reporter in a younger life I covered a lot of crime in the courts. It is said that an innocent man, charged wrongfully is always eager to get ALL the information out; where there is wrongdoing there will always be strong opposition to any probe and the more power the subject the more powerful the resistance.

Both Trump gave it way by whining about it and trying to shut it down. Since the beginning, when he went viral the first time, I knew there was some real ugly doo-doo in there, and we're only scraping the surface, now the family is targeted in the New York for $ dealings.

This is the new "normal" for the president

 

[TurtleDude]

Gorsuch? A man who would rather have a driver freeze to death. Sure he is good for corporate America but not for the people. Kavaugh is a partisan tool. There are far better conservative justices that are not partisan hacks.

edify me on your legal training and why Gorsuch's opinion on this is determinative. anyone who would vote differently than you want on issues, would be considered a partisan hack, from what I have seen from your posts.

 

[prometeus]

edify me on your legal training and why Gorsuch's opinion on this is determinative. anyone who would vote differently than you want on issues, would be considered a partisan hack, from what I have seen from your posts.

Then you did not read my posts carefully enough.
I am not going to play comparative games with you, it is pointless in such a forum, but it takes no legal training to see that expecting a man to die for the sake of company policy is just wrong. One thing is clear, even with the credentials you have touted, that you still have not learned that it is not man that is supposed to serve the law but the law is meant to serve man.

 

[Pedestrian]

I take it you forgot Obamafail lost 64 seats, 24 more than Trump and he lost over a thousand around the country. As for investigations, what crime she is investigating? Or is she just on a witch hunt. Which is it?

Are you even serious ? I suspect it will be the state of NY who will finally put trump where he belongs...in jail.

Maybe they'll let Bill and Hillary visit him in Rikers.

 

[Fearandloathing]

I get you have a serious case of Trump hate. I get you probably ignored the 40+ posts of mine where I said I did not support Trump in the primary but rather Kasich. BTW tell me what Trump has done that objectively harms you.

You Trumpo's are the ones with a serious case...

That word - HATE - is so easy for you. But you've over-used it. Almost every criticism of the idiot has been met, at one time of another, with an accusation of hate.

Which is really ****ing lame, as NO ONE can know the contents of another's heart. America is supposed to be the land of the free, but it is the land of the hate.

Just listen to one of Trump's rally speeches, carefully crafted to trigger a negative response against minorities, especially "immigrants". He drives division and disharmony.

So throw it out there as much as you like but the evidence is in the videos of Trump's rallies and tweets. He can't even let a trusted advisor go without humiliating him, the orange turd insults gold star mothers and calls other leaders "weak" showing distain in his ugly comments along with a grade six vocabulary.

There IS a lot of hate in your country, and Trump has cleverly harnessed it for his own ends. The next time you accuse someone of "HATE" look in the mirror.

 

[Pedestrian]

Vendettas against political opponents launched through corrupt legal systems have become very common over the globe as the current world order collapses.

This is bad for us.

Was it just as bad when the repubs went after Bill Clinton for 8 years, blocked Obama for 8 years and now

support the scummiest piece of flesh to ever occupy the WH ?

 

[TurtleDude]

Then you did not read my posts carefully enough.
I am not going to play comparative games with you, it is pointless in such a forum, but it takes no legal training to see that expecting a man to die for the sake of company policy is just wrong. One thing is clear, even with the credentials you have touted, that you still have not learned that it is not man that is supposed to serve the law but the law is meant to serve man.

so that one case is your entire understanding of Gorsuch? and how does that compare with some of the decisions of the Dem Justices? what I am saying is its easy to justify your predetermined opposition to a Justice based on what appears to be an unlearned dislike of ONE opinion.

 

[TurtleDude]

Was it just as bad when the repubs went after Bill Clinton for 8 years, blocked Obama for 8 years and now

support the scummiest piece of flesh to ever occupy the WH ?

what objective evidence do you have that Trump is "the scummiest piece of flesh to ever occupy the WH? Ignorance of history?

 

[TurtleDude]

You Trumpo's are the ones with a serious case...

That word - HATE - is so easy for you. But you've over-used it. Almost every criticism of the idiot has been met, at one time of another, with an accusation of hate.

Which is really ****ing lame, as NO ONE can know the contents of another's heart. America is supposed to be the land of the free, but it is the land of the hate.

Just listen to one of Trump's rally speeches, carefully crafted to trigger a negative response against minorities, especially "immigrants". He drives division and disharmony.

So throw it out there as much as you like but the evidence is in the videos of Trump's rallies and tweets. He can't even let a trusted advisor go without humiliating him, the orange turd insults gold star mothers and calls other leaders "weak" showing distain in his ugly comments along with a grade six vocabulary.

There IS a lot of hate in your country, and Trump has cleverly harnessed it for his own ends. The next time you accuse someone of "HATE" look in the mirror.

Yawn, TDS is a form of hate. a rather severe one

 

[Pedestrian]

No other crimes to worry about in the state?

Sounds like these "investigations" are politically-motivated.

You can tell by sound ? What was the sound under B. Clinton, years of vitriol, 6 years and $60 million on Whitewater,

then after getting nothing, Madison S&L then after still getting nothing, going after Wash. intrigue to then resort

to getting Monica's g/f to wear a wire to entrap her, then bring in the lawyers to intimidate her for evidence to support

a civil case now, no less.

YES, ALL republican investigations...are politically motivated.

 

[TurtleDude]

You can tell by sound ? What was the sound under B. Clinton, years of vitriol, 6 years and $60 million on Whitewater,

then after getting nothing, Madison S&L then after still getting nothing, going after Wash. intrigue to then resort

to getting Monica's g/f to wear a wire to entrap her, then bring in the lawyers to intimidate her for evidence to support

a civil case now, no less.

YES, ALL republican investigations...are politically motivated.

you want to pretend the Democrat investigations are somehow different?

 

[Pedestrian]

We already know...Trump was never approved by the establishment, they told us in no uncertain terms that he was not to be elected but we did it anyways.

That must be punished harshly, to discourage the practice.

Prove it..show is links to the establishment never approving of trump.

The republicans now have surely fallen in behind this clown.

 

[Pedestrian]

No you don't as evidenced by your post.

Trump was never approved by anyone with a modicum of decency, intellect and integrity.

That he got elected only proves that there are too many uneducated degenerates in the nation.

Right on point with this one. I have told people that after 8 years of wanting to drag that 'n' out of the WH and

shooting his bl*** ass, these racists were once out of the woodwork, now able to vote for true scum like trump.