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Trump's anger management issues

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The president has developed a reputation for his occasional explosive anger. Some believe that this is just a ploy, just one of the tools he uses in negotiations or to get his way. In his 2007 book "Think Big", he wrote:

"Many people think I am an angry guy. But it's not true. I am tough and I am demanding, but I never lose it... Sometimes I use anger in a controlled way to make a point when I am negotiating. In those situations, I am using anger for an effect, to further my goals. Using anger constructively is another form of mental toughness that you need to succeed."
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Barbara Res, Trump's former head of construction who worked with the then-businessman for 18 years, described the President a "master" at using anger as just one tool among many others to "find the weakness in people and then exploit it to his benefit."

But others think that this is not just a tool that is used in any sort of planned, controlled, or strategic way to achieve certain goals and agendas. It is just who he is. He cannot control it, in the same way he cannot control his Tweeting. Yes, the Tweets have helped him sometimes. But they have also hurt him a lot too. Whichever it does, it doesn't seem to be something that is done in a controlled or planned way by him. His anger issues seem to be the same. It's just who he is and what he does- and sometimes it just ends up helping him, and other times it hurts him.

They point to his recent public humiliation of Jeff Sessions in front of Mike Pence and other prominent aides for recusing himself from the Russia investigation. What was that supposed to accomplish? How did it help anything? Or perhaps yelling at the Australian prime minister his first week in office. What was the agenda he thought he was going to accomplish, other than antagonize a longstanding ally and someone he needs in the future for all sorts of negotiations and issues, especially in the far east?

What are your thoughts on Trump's legendary outbursts of fury? Controlled weapon or a loose cannon and WMD?
'He cut your heart out': Trump's anger proves memorable - CNNPolitics
 
ataraxia said:
The president has developed a reputation for his occasional explosive anger. Some believe that this is just a ploy, just one of the tools he uses in negotiations or to get his way. In his 2007 book "Think Big", he wrote:

Barbara Res, Trump's former head of construction who worked with the then-businessman for 18 years, described the President a "master" at using anger as just one tool among many others to "find the weakness in people and then exploit it to his benefit."

But others think that this is not just a tool that is used in any sort of planned, controlled, or strategic way to achieve certain goals and agendas. It is just who he is. He cannot control it, in the same way he cannot control his Tweeting. Yes, the Tweets have helped him sometimes. But they have also hurt him a lot too. Whichever it does, it doesn't seem to be something that is done in a controlled or planned way by him. His anger issues seem to be the same. It's just who he is and what he does- and sometimes it just ends up helping him, and other times it hurts him.

They point to his recent public humiliation of Jeff Sessions in front of Mike Pence and other prominent aides for recusing himself from the Russia investigation. What was that supposed to accomplish? How did it help anything? Or perhaps yelling at the Australian prime minister his first week in office. What was the agenda he thought he was going to accomplish, other than antagonize a longstanding ally and someone he needs in the future for all sorts of negotiations and issues, especially in the far east?

What are your thoughts on Trump's legendary outbursts of fury? Controlled weapon or a loose cannon and WMD?
'He cut your heart out': Trump's anger proves memorable - CNNPolitics
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It is perfectly natural for people to get very angry. Uncontrolled anger means fury. It means you act out that anger in a somewhat physical way. Do you remember when your dad really yelled at you for talking back to your mom? Was he really THAT angry? Or did he use his controlled anger to make a point?

It is impossible to know the working of another's mind. This guy has been on the earth for 71 years. Just because you, me or Trump rip somebody a new one doesn't mean we are angry beyond control. This speculation is just one more way antiTrumpers are using to criticize him.
 
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ataraxia said:
The president has developed a reputation for his occasional explosive anger. Some believe that this is just a ploy, just one of the tools he uses in negotiations or to get his way. In his 2007 book "Think Big", he wrote:



Barbara Res, Trump's former head of construction who worked with the then-businessman for 18 years, described the President a "master" at using anger as just one tool among many others to "find the weakness in people and then exploit it to his benefit."

But others think that this is not just a tool that is used in any sort of planned, controlled, or strategic way to achieve certain goals and agendas. It is just who he is. He cannot control it, in the same way he cannot control his Tweeting. Yes, the Tweets have helped him sometimes. But they have also hurt him a lot too. Whichever it does, it doesn't seem to be something that is done in a controlled or planned way by him. His anger issues seem to be the same. It's just who he is and what he does- and sometimes it just ends up helping him, and other times it hurts him.

They point to his recent public humiliation of Jeff Sessions in front of Mike Pence and other prominent aides for recusing himself from the Russia investigation. What was that supposed to accomplish? How did it help anything? Or perhaps yelling at the Australian prime minister his first week in office. What was the agenda he thought he was going to accomplish, other than antagonize a longstanding ally and someone he needs in the future for all sorts of negotiations and issues, especially in the far east?

What are your thoughts on Trump's legendary outbursts of fury? Controlled weapon or a loose cannon and WMD?
'He cut your heart out': Trump's anger proves memorable - CNNPolitics
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Trump is an extremely emotionally honest guy, it is one of the things I like about him. This is part of the "He's not fit for the office" story-line, sold to clods who dont know that Presidents are a rare breed who tend to run high strung, and probably dont even know that Hillary's anger is legionary.
 
MaggieD said:
It is perfectly natural for people to get very angry. Uncontrolled anger means fury. It means you act out that anger in a somewhat physical way. Do you remember when your dad really yelled at you for talking back to your mom? Was he really THAT angry? Or did he use his controlled anger to make a point?
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Different dads do it for different reasons. Some do it to make a point. Others do it because they really do have anger management issues.

It is impossible to know the working of another's mind. This guy has been on the earth for 71 years. Just because you, me or Trump rip somebody a new one doesn't mean we are angry beyond control. This speculation is just one more way antiTrumpers are using to criticize him.
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It sounds like you are fairly sure Trump's anger is controlled. How do you know this?
 
MaggieD said:
It is perfectly natural for people to get very angry. Uncontrolled anger means fury. It means you act out that anger in a somewhat physical way. Do you remember when your dad really yelled at you for talking back to your mom? Was he really THAT angry? Or did he use his controlled anger to make a point?
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Different dads do it for different reasons. Some do it to make a point. Others do it because they really do have anger management issues.

It is impossible to know the working of another's mind. This guy has been on the earth for 71 years. Just because you, me or Trump rip somebody a new one doesn't mean we are angry beyond control. This speculation is just one more way antiTrumpers are using to criticize him.
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It sounds like you are fairly sure Trump's anger is controlled, deliberate, and purposeful. How do you know this?

And if so, how was it being carefully used to humiliate Jeff Sessions or insult the Australian PM?
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
Trump is an extremely emotionally honest guy, it is one of the things I like about him. This is part of the "He's not fit for the office" story-line, sold to clods who dont know that Presidents are a rare breed who tend to run high strung, and probably dont even know that Hillary's anger is legionary.
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I don't know if it's required for the job, or even that presidents are a rare breed who all have to high strung. It seems to me to be justifying bad behavior. I don't remember hearing "no drama Obama" ever flying into fits of rage. I don't even remember George W. Bush or his dad doing it.
 
ataraxia said:
Different dads do it for different reasons. Some do it to make a point. Others do it because they really do have anger management issues.

It sounds like you are fairly sure Trump's anger is controlled. How do you know this?
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You don't accuse or speculate about someone that they have anger management issues just because they get angry. My reasoning comes from the fact that he's 71 years old and he's never been arrested for assault. Neither is there evidence he's ever put his fist through a wall or thrown a lamp. THAT is uncontrolled anger.

Of course, I don't have to prove he doesn't have anger management issues. Those who speculate need to prove he does. Otherwise, it's just more gossip for Trump bashing. Just because people get very angry doesn't mean they have trouble managing it. Neither does it mean it's anything more than a human interaction tool... and a valuable one at that.
 
MaggieD said:
You don't accuse or speculate about someone that they have anger management issues just because they get angry. My reasoning comes from the fact that he's 71 years old and he's never been arrested for assault. Neither is there evidence he's ever put his fist through a wall or thrown a lamp. THAT is uncontrolled anger.

Of course, I don't have to prove he doesn't have anger management issues. Those who speculate need to prove he does. Otherwise, it's just more gossip for Trump bashing. Just because people get very angry doesn't mean they have trouble managing it. Neither does it mean it's anything more than a human interaction tool... and a valuable one at that.
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Ask Chief of Staff General Kelly and Attorney General Jeff Sessions about trump's anger management issues, just for starters ...
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump is an extremely emotionally honest guy, it is one of the things I like about him. This is part of the "He's not fit for the office" story-line, sold to clods who dont know that Presidents are a rare breed who tend to run high strung, and probably dont even know that Hillary's anger is legionary.
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... But Hillary ... has zero to do with trump's legendary anger management issues.

You're one of the few people I've ever heard accuse trump of being honest, especially coming from his own GOParty ...
 
MaggieD said:
You don't accuse or speculate about someone that they have anger management issues just because they get angry. My reasoning comes from the fact that he's 71 years old and he's never been arrested for assault. Neither is there evidence he's ever put his fist through a wall or thrown a lamp. THAT is uncontrolled anger.
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I am not sure I understand. You think verbal assault and public humiliation are OK, as long as it's not physical? If you are a boss of a large company, and you have a mid-level manager who regularly blows up at his employees and verbally abuses and humiliates them, you would be totally OK with it because he's not physically beating them up, and he is just using a "valuable human interaction tool"?

Of course, I don't have to prove he doesn't have anger management issues. Those who speculate need to prove he does. Otherwise, it's just more gossip for Trump bashing. Just because people get very angry doesn't mean they have trouble managing it. Neither does it mean it's anything more than a human interaction tool... and a valuable one at that.
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So what was so valuable about publicly humiliating his own AG or the PM of Australia?
 
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MaggieD said:
You don't accuse or speculate about someone that they have anger management issues just because they get angry. My reasoning comes from the fact that he's 71 years old and he's never been arrested for assault. Neither is there evidence he's ever put his fist through a wall or thrown a lamp. THAT is uncontrolled anger.
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I am not sure I understand. You think verbal assault and public humiliation are OK, as long as it's not physical? If you are a boss of a large company, and you have midlevel manager who regularly blows up at his employees and verbally abuses and humiliates them, you would be totally OK with it because he's not physically beating them up, and he is just using a "valuable human interaction tool"?

Of course, I don't have to prove he doesn't have anger management issues. Those who speculate need to prove he does. Otherwise, it's just more gossip for Trump bashing. Just because people get very angry doesn't mean they have trouble managing it. Neither does it mean it's anything more than a human interaction tool... and a valuable one at that.
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So what was so valuable about publicly humiliating his own AG or cussing out the PM of Australia?
 
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This guy's behaviour in office is so totally effed-up, whether inadvertent or contrived, it's really not worth analyzing. The quicker he's out of office, the better. If Mueller can do it before 2020, I'm going to petition the Pope to canonize him!
 
Chomsky said:
This guy's behaviour in office is so totally effed-up, whether inadvertent or contrived, it's really not worth analyzing. The quicker he's out of office, the better. If Mueller can do it before 2020, I'm going to petition the Pope to canonize him!
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Just the fact that people are trying to excuse this kind of behavior here is proof of Trump's claim about standing in the middle of 5th Ave and shooting people and not losing these people's support.
 
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ataraxia said:
Different dads do it for different reasons. Some do it to make a point. Others do it because they really do have anger management issues.

It sounds like you are fairly sure Trump's anger is controlled, deliberate, and purposeful. How do you know this?

And if so, how was it being carefully used to humiliate Jeff Sessions or insult the Australian PM?
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How did Trump insult the Prime Minister? Or is disagreement an insult? Please post your link. This is the end of the phone call...

Thank you for your commitment. It is very important to us.

TRUMP
It is important to you and it is embarrassing to me. It is an embarrassment to me, but at least I got you off the hook. So you put me back on the hook.

TURNBULL
You can count on me. I will be there again and again.

TRUMP
I hope so. Okay, thank you Malcolm.

TURNBULL
Okay, thank you.
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Chomsky said:
This guy's behaviour in office is so totally effed-up, whether inadvertent or contrived, it's really not worth analyzing. The quicker he's out of office, the better. If Mueller can do it before 2020, I'm going to petition the Pope to canonize him!
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trump's mental anger management issues have been on full display since becoming POTUS. Mental anger management issues, MAMI, never go away in a dysfunctional family ...
 
NIMBY said:
trump's mental anger management issues have been on full display since becoming POTUS. Mental anger management issues, MAMI, never go away in a dysfunctional family ...
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I had no idea you were a, trained psychologist.
 
Chomsky said:
This guy's behaviour in office is so totally effed-up, whether inadvertent or contrived, it's really not worth analyzing. The quicker he's out of office, the better. If Mueller can do it before 2020, I'm going to petition the Pope to canonize him!
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trump needs to stay in office. Running against him and Paul and Mitch will sweep DEMs in to office the next two elections and Make America Better Again.

DEMs should not give the snowflake troll-right any martyrs to use as election cudgels, the MO of the GOP, election cudgels ...
 
ataraxia said:
Just the fact that people are trying to excuse this kind of behavior here is proof of Trump's claim about standing in the middle of 5th Ave and shooting people and not losing these people's support.
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Exactly!

The longer inappropriate & abberant behaviour is tolerated, the more it become normalized. That is the danger. Along with Trump's behaviour giving license to the aberrant amongst the general citizenry to act in like kind!

Like I said, it's "totally effed up". It's a sad day in America when we specifically warn our children *not* to act like the sitting president! :doh

(think of that last line, for a moment - seriously)
 
MaggieD said:
I had no idea you were a, trained psychologist.
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Most trained psychologists knew there was a serious problem with Trump even during the campaign. But no one wanted to listen to them. They are all just a bunch of egghead out-of-touch liberal professors anyway, right?

"Despite those unknowns, a group of prominent mental health professionals today agreed that they have an ethical obligation to expose to the public every instance of reality distortion, impulsive decision-making, and violation of presidential norms of behavior that singularize the Trump presidency.

At a conference held at Yale University Medical School and led by Bandy Lee, assistant clinical professor in law and psychiatry, mental health experts met to discuss whether their professional responsibility includes a duty to warn the public of dangers posed by President Trump’s behavior. For them the issue is no longer what psychiatric diagnosis Donald Trump merits or not. It is how to avert the "malignant normality"—as psychiatrist Robert Jay Lifton called it—now threatening American democracy...

Currently professor of psychiatry at New York University and longtime director of mental health for the Massachusetts prison system, Gilligan contends that a private interview is not necessary to assess Trump’s dangerousness: “He publicly boasts of violence and has threatened violence. He has urged followers to beat up protestors. He approves of torture. He has boasted of his ability to commit and get away with sexual assault.” The danger is visible to everyone, but for professionals, he says, it is “irresponsible” to remain passive in the face of it."
Shrinks Define Dangers of Trump Presidency | Psychology Today
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MaggieD said:
I had no idea you were a, trained psychologist.
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A blind and deaf person could analyze the disgraceful and despicable trump ...
 
NIMBY said:
... But Hillary ... has zero to do with trump's legendary anger management issues.

You're one of the few people I've ever heard accuse trump of being honest, especially coming from his own GOParty ...
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As you have been told repeatedly I am not a Republican, have not been since 1983, and lots of people have been saying all along that they find Trump to be abnormally honest. Currently 34% say that he is honest, a number that has been driven down a relentless assault on his reputation by an Elite Class that is working on an Impeachment.
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/08/04/poll-president-trump-dishonest-bad-leadership/23065181/

If you dont know of the concept of Emotional Honesty you might look at the following....

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...01112/the-cost-and-benefits-emotional-honesty
 
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