Trump vows 'very long' government shutdown over border wall

[Into the Night]

Trump's 'plan' stated/promised Mexico would pay for the Wall... How's that broken promise working out for POTUS? :lol:

The federal government responsible for border security, not Mexico.

 

[Birdzeye]

Not enough agents. That's the equivalence of hiring a perimeter of guards instead of using a wall for your house.

Then we need more border patrol agents.

 

[Birdzeye]

Not enough agents. That's the equivalence of hiring a perimeter of guards instead of using a wall for your house.

Then we need to hire more border patrol agents.

 

[Into the Night]

I feel for these people. Some of these people are my friends and family. That said, Trump claimed ownership of the shutdown, correct ?

He also stated why he is shutting down the government. You seem to keep forgetting that part.

 

[Into the Night]

Stop the lying would be a good start, don't ya think ? (over 7000 since taking office )

I usually call this Mantra 5. People like you call others liars far too easily. It's like a chant to you.

 

[Into the Night]

It has been widely reported - and was at the time - that the president's poor approval rating had a large impact on his party losing so many seats. People voted against him this time round as much as his party, one of the reasons he cannot muster the power to get his wall laid down and instead has to resort scare tactics and manufactured crises.

That and the last few revelations and leaks about the Russia probe have got him seething over Fox news and a bucket of chicken while he tweets like a jilted schoolgirl.

He actually lost fewer seats than usual for an off season election. Trump was actually pretty happy with that. I would be too.

 

[Into the Night]

I'll be happy to address your question after you address mine. ( debating 101 )

Dodge. Answer the question put to you.

 

[Obscurity]

The federal government responsible for border security, not Mexico.

I've posted evidence before that suggests the wall will absolutely not make a difference, since illegal immigration is already on the decline.

So what evidence do you have that purports to show the wall will stop illegal immigration in the amount Trump insists? Since we know 2/3rds of illegals are here past their visa date, something a wall won't stop; or are asylum seekers, which is, again, something a wall won't stop. The other 1/3rd show up through a myriad of means, tunnels, cars, smuggled in through legal points of entry, etc.

SOME of the 1/3rd remaining may be stopped. So what? Is it worth $5.7bn that could be used elsewhere.

If that's such a tiny percent of our budget as to be irrelevant, why not just donate it to the Obscurity Wants to be a Billionaire fund instead, a truly patriotic cause that would assist a fellow american?

 

[Into the Night]

revisit post # 3197

So...you can't be more specific? Void argument fallacy.

 

[iguanaman]

You are manufacturing 'broken promises'. Trump made no secret in his campaign that he was going to build the wall.

LOL The secret was he was going to make the Democrats fund it. He never once mentioned the wall without saying Mexico was going to pay for it. That is how you know it was all a farce. He still does not really want money for the wall or he would reopen the Govt. and negotiate for it. He wants this shutdown because he is a spoiled child and is upset that his crimes and sedition are being revealed. Misery loves company in Trumps adolescent mind.

 

[Into the Night]

I see your only argument is to put words in other's mouths with zero validation for doing so. I'll just accept your defeat now and save us both some time.

Nope. Your own words, dude.

 

[Into the Night]

Trump is open to negotiations now? Since when? Link?

whitehouse.gov

 

[Slavister]

I am tired of the GOP taking it on the chin while the Dems high-five each otber.

Well, next time don't elect the unqualified lowlife to be a president

 

[gdgyva]

Did you bother to read my link? The Dems made the offer during a meeting, and trump rejected it. Duh.

So nothing signable..nothing they can’t renege on

He isn’t going to accept an I promise deal

Again...I think it is time both parties get in a room, hammer out a deal, and then have it passed very quickly

So it can be signed and the country can be reopened....by that is me

You can wish for something else to happen

 

[Birdzeye]

whitehouse.gov

That doesn’t tell me anything. What credible evidence is there that trump is seriously and sincerely interested in negotiating in good faith?

 

[Birdzeye]

So nothing signable..nothing they can’t renege on

He isn’t going to accept an I promise deal

Again...I think it is time both parties get in a room, hammer out a deal, and then have it passed very quickly

So it can be signed and the country can be reopened....by that is me

You can wish for something else to happen

You’re acting disingenuously. I pointed out credible evidence that the Dems made an offer that trump rejected. You’re only demanding to see a vetoed bill as an excuse to reject the truth that makes trump look unreasonable.

And don’t get me started on the “I promise” business. Your hero has a long and deplorable history of reneging on his word.

 

[Into the Night]

You have no idea of what my hopes are. You're just speculating. ( fact )

Actually, he does. We all do. You have certainly been posting your hopes enough in here.

 

[Into the Night]

It’s Week 4 Of The Shutdown. Americans Still Think Trump Is To Blame.

You really believe the crap the Huffington Post writes, don't you?

 

[Into the Night]

The president has previously implied that tariffs paid on Mexican imports could be used to bolster U.S. coffers and, in turn, be eventually allocated to pay for wall construction.

I see you really believe CBS News as well. :lamo

 

[Into the Night]

It's quite possible for something to be a speculation and be true at the same time... Just so you are aware...

No speculation is a True. It is just guessing. If a guess happens to be right, then it is no longer guessing, it is history. That is the only time when a guess becomes a True.

 

[MTAtech]

It’s Week 4 Of The Shutdown. Americans Still Think Trump Is To Blame.

You really believe the crap the Huffington Post writes, don't you?

Replying to post 3293, the "crap" the Huffington Post wrote, was quoting other polls. No matter how much you hate liberal publications, when they quote respected polling sources you can't knee-jerk dismiss them.

 

[Into the Night]

But they are there nonetheless....

No they aren't. ATC is not available at an airport with a closed tower.

And certain airfields restrict operations when ATC is not available...

Nope. No restrictions are placed on airports with closed or no towers.

 

[MTAtech]

I see you really believe CBS News as well. :lamo

You say that like there is something wrong. I believe long-standing respected media with a history of journalism. I can only cringe at where you get news to formulate your disturbing ideas.

 

[Into the Night]

One house guard is more effective than any number of security walls around a house.

Okay. Let's hire ONE border guard to stop everyone from crossing the border from Mexico. He is the only guard. He has to cover the entire border by himself from California to the Gulf. There is no wall, no fence, no nothing to stop people from crossing except sensors that let him know where people are crossing at the moment.

How well is that going to work?

 

[Into the Night]

A wall is nothing without people guarding the ramparts.

They are. Sure beats having no ramparts or wall at all for a fort.