Trump voters now blame him for the government shutdown

[HumblePi]

Subpoenas away then.

Elijah Cummings said they will subpoena Cohen if necessary even if it's after he begins serving his sentence.

 

[HumblePi]

People need to be somewhat passionate about issues to carry on a conversation online day after day. While I've seen a handful of people say they've turned on Trump just in the couple of months I've been here, we have to accept that there will be a lot of strong supporters who will be the last to turn, if at all. That's understandable. But in the wider population, the numbers are going down: swing voters and the habitual republicans are turning away. His base will cling on and I'd be surprised (and gleeful) to see him go below 30%. But those 30% will be out in force defending him on forums like this because they do care in their way.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/4258/history-shows-presidential-job-approval-ratings-can-plummet-rapidly.aspx

Polls can change rapidly as shown by Nixon's polls. The Right is steadfastly sticking with the loser but once the Mueller investigation winds up those numbers are going to fall dramatically just as Nixon's did.

"The impact of Watergate on Richard Nixon was not immediate. The actual break-in at the Watergate complex occurred in June 1972. Nixon nevertheless went on to a sweeping re-election victory over Democrat George McGovern in November, and to a robust presidential approval rating of 62% immediately thereafter. By January of 1973, however, the criminal trial of the first set of Watergate defendants and the formation of a special Senate committee to investigate Republican campaign espionage began to have an impact. Nixon's job approval dropped to 51% in a mid-January Gallup survey.

The announcement of an historic Vietnam peace settlement on January 23rd resulted in a leap in Nixon's approval rating to 67% -- but also demonstrated how short-lived the effects of such international events on public opinion can be.

Nixon's surge in approval evaporated almost as quickly as it appeared. The relentless uncovering of damaging information about the Watergate scandal through the spring and summer of 1973 led to a steady deterioration in public approval of Nixon month by month. By May, Nixon's rating had dropped to 44%, and by August, it was at 31% -- representing a 36% drop in about six months. (A year later, in August 1974 when he resigned from office, Nixon's rating was 24%"

 

[Hawkeye10]

Ever since the rise of conservative radio like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Fox news, and conservative online media like the Drudge Report, The Federalist, National Review, Breitbart and conservative 'spokespeople' (e.g. Dinesh D'Souza, Ann Coulter) The American public has been bombarded with constant messages: "It's us versus them. Liberals are unpatriotic, Obama is un-American, Democrats want to take away your freedoms, destroy America, and turn it into a Socialist country. The government is your enemy. Compromise is bad, obstructionism is winning. The politics of dehumanizing the opposition works. Don't trust any media other than us. Don't trust facts; trust our "alternative facts" and conspiracy theories."

This has completely been a Conservative-led strategy, and it has been going on for 20+ years. It has only been in recent years that Liberals have begun showing similar tendencies; but that's only in reaction to the constant divisive hatred emanating from the Right. In fact, poll numbers (of more informative questions beyond mere "approval") show that even now Liberals are more accepting of Conservatives than vice versa. This is the true backstory behind our current tribalism.

Here is the thing.....The Legacy R's kept driving the message that they wanted small government because government has little utility as they grew government and supported government grabs of power and as they supported deepening the corruption of both Washington and America, a corruption that drove money to their friends and both power and freedom away from the people......The D's claimed that government is extremely important and justice is extremely important as they plainly have not given two ****s about government functioning well or government promoting justice as they grew government and as they supported government grabs of power and supported deepening the corruption of both Washington and America, a corruption that drove money to their friends and both power and freedom away from the people....they all have sucked ass.

Once you stop telling only one side of the story we might be able to find some use for you.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

The Republican Party will also pay a hefty price in the next election cycle.

Someone forgot to tell the Republican National Committee, because they just passed a resolution CANCELING the 2020 GOP primaries. Trump is the only one allowed to run in 2020.

 

[CLAX1911]

Trump voters now blame him for the government shutdown

No, Mexico isn't cutting a check for your wall. Get it from your taxpayers.



The longer Trumps government shutdown goes on, the deeper the wooden stake penetrates Trumps reelection plans for 2020. The Republican Party will also pay a hefty price in the next election cycle.

According to an NPR poll. Lol

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

No, but if the Jim Jones example is anything to go by, those who try to leave the cult often are not exactly treated well by their former cult members

To be specific:

NeverTrumpGOP tried being a moderate GOP-er, but that was enough to earn him the title of "TRAITOR!!!" "RINO!!!!", so he finally got so sick of being castigated by his RW peers that he said "screw it, I've become a Democrat", which of course elicited howls of indignation and catcalls that he had already been one ever since he jumped off the Trump Train anyway.

Now they're labeling him a communist.

"I'm Officially a Democrat"

Today I noticed FIVE posts by still committed conservatives who finally said that they hope the Democrats win in 2020, because the GOP intends to cancel the 2020 Republican primaries. Watch this space for recriminations to erupt.

opcorn2:

Keep it up, Trumpistas, you're actually doing something I thought unthinkable, you're actually DRIVING people right into our arms, and it's awesome!
Oh yeah, some of our more radical lefties will probably snort indignantly.
Screw them. The majority of us will treat your refugees pretty well.

Your tent is becoming so small it's starting to need one of these warning labels:

 

[OscarLevant]

Ever since the rise of conservative radio like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Fox news, and conservative online media like the Drudge Report, The Federalist, National Review, Breitbart and conservative 'spokespeople' (e.g. Dinesh D'Souza, Ann Coulter) The American public has been bombarded with constant messages: "It's us versus them. Liberals are unpatriotic, Obama is un-American, Democrats want to take away your freedoms, destroy America, and turn it into a Socialist country. The government is your enemy. Compromise is bad, obstructionism is winning. The politics of dehumanizing the opposition works. Don't trust any media other than us. Don't trust facts; trust our "alternative facts" and conspiracy theories."

This has completely been a Conservative-led strategy, and it has been going on for 20+ years. It has only been in recent years that Liberals have begun showing similar tendencies; but that's only in reaction to the constant divisive hatred emanating from the Right. In fact, poll numbers (of more informative questions beyond mere "approval") show that even now Liberals are more accepting of Conservatives than vice versa. This is the true backstory behind our current tribalism.

Farther back than that...
when Reagan repealed the fairness doctrine, Limbaugh had a field day. That's when things started going downhill.

Gingrich really got things going, as well.

 

[OscarLevant]

https://news.gallup.com/poll/4258/history-shows-presidential-job-approval-ratings-can-plummet-rapidly.aspx

Polls can change rapidly as shown by Nixon's polls. The Right is steadfastly sticking with the loser but once the Mueller investigation winds up those numbers are going to fall dramatically just as Nixon's did.

"The impact of Watergate on Richard Nixon was not immediate. The actual break-in at the Watergate complex occurred in June 1972. Nixon nevertheless went on to a sweeping re-election victory over Democrat George McGovern in November, and to a robust presidential approval rating of 62% immediately thereafter. By January of 1973, however, the criminal trial of the first set of Watergate defendants and the formation of a special Senate committee to investigate Republican campaign espionage began to have an impact. Nixon's job approval dropped to 51% in a mid-January Gallup survey.

The announcement of an historic Vietnam peace settlement on January 23rd resulted in a leap in Nixon's approval rating to 67% -- but also demonstrated how short-lived the effects of such international events on public opinion can be.

Nixon's surge in approval evaporated almost as quickly as it appeared. The relentless uncovering of damaging information about the Watergate scandal through the spring and summer of 1973 led to a steady deterioration in public approval of Nixon month by month. By May, Nixon's rating had dropped to 44%, and by August, it was at 31% -- representing a 36% drop in about six months. (A year later, in August 1974 when he resigned from office, Nixon's rating was 24%"

What Nixon did not have back then that we have now is Fox News. Nixon might have survived had he had a propaganda machine like Trump has with Fox.

Despite Fox, Trump's numbers have never risen higher than 50%.

 

[augustus]

You.....




whaa...?






HILLARY IS NOT IN OFFICE. HILLARY CANNOT END THE SHUTDOWN.

^
Embiggened, capslocked, and redded for ease of understanding.

Seems you're the one in need of an education. The words are: emboldened, enlarged and capitalized. School is over for the morning.

 

[holbritter]

Recent polling numbers tend to support the notion that Trump has lost most independents, and also the uneducated white males of his base are falling away.

Two years of Trump is a lifetime politically. But Trump is the gift that keeps on giving. As the election window shrinks and Mueller closes in, Trumps behavior can only grow more antagonistic.

As time passes, more and more Americans detect that Trump cares for himself far more than he cares for this country. This will amplify in the months to come.

Which is why he will not be re-elected if he runs again.

 

[holbritter]

Someone forgot to tell the Republican National Committee, because they just passed a resolution CANCELING the 2020 GOP primaries. Trump is the only one allowed to run in 2020.

I heard some parts were floating this idea, but I can't find where the RNC passed a resolution. Stupid move. Do you have a link?

 

[gdgyva]

A small number of Trump's voters, most likely the ones that thought cutting off their nose to spite D.C.'s face was a good idea. I suppose I'm glad they've finally woken up but holy **** was that the wrong 'outsider' to send in.

Again...there were no good choices

Maybe you all forget that part of the equation

That is why I didn’t vote top of the ticket first time since 1980

Couldn’t vote for either...both smelled like crap

Some chose what they thought to be the lesser of two evils....

Maybe next time the two parties can put up better candidates

 

[bongsaway]

Ever since the rise of conservative radio like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Fox news, and conservative online media like the Drudge Report, The Federalist, National Review, Breitbart and conservative 'spokespeople' (e.g. Dinesh D'Souza, Ann Coulter) The American public has been bombarded with constant messages: "It's us versus them. Liberals are unpatriotic, Obama is un-American, Democrats want to take away your freedoms, destroy America, and turn it into a Socialist country. The government is your enemy. Compromise is bad, obstructionism is winning. The politics of dehumanizing the opposition works. Don't trust any media other than us. Don't trust facts; trust our "alternative facts" and conspiracy theories."

This has completely been a Conservative-led strategy, and it has been going on for 20+ years. It has only been in recent years that Liberals have begun showing similar tendencies; but that's only in reaction to the constant divisive hatred emanating from the Right. In fact, poll numbers (of more informative questions beyond mere "approval") show that even now Liberals are more accepting of Conservatives than vice versa. This is the true backstory behind our current tribalism.

Being human beings we need to be taught, we don't pop out knowing anything but to cry. Like religion, like arithmetic we need to be taught. It's true for almost everything. The hatred from the right to the left has been taught to them. I'm old enough to remember when things weren't like this and probably so are most republicans. It's a shame what these talking heads and the party leadership have done to the GOP, they are totally lost.

 

[bongsaway]

Again...there were no good choices

Maybe you all forget that part of the equation

That is why I didn’t vote top of the ticket first time since 1980

Couldn’t vote for either...both smelled like crap

Some chose what they thought to be the lesser of two evils....

Maybe next time the two parties can put up better candidates

It's not both parties, it's the republican party. Things wouldn't be like they are if hillary had been elected. She did win the popular vote but since our votes don't count the electoral college decided who won.

 

[bongsaway]

From the rubric (all indented passaged are):

Two years ago, Jeff Daudert was fed up with politics. He wanted to shake up the status quo. He didn’t mind sending a message to the establishment — and, frankly, he liked the idea of a disruptive president.

But the 49-year-old retired Navy reservist has had some second thoughts.

“What the [expletive] were we thinking?” he asked the other night inside a Walmart here, in an area of blue-collar suburban Detroit that helped deliver Trump the presidency.​

WTF were you thinking, indeed! Day in and day out, effing ad nauseum, people were told -- via anecdote and analysis from the left and from the right; by people rich, poor and in between -- what kind of man Trump is and what kind of SNAFU his presidency would be.

Jeremiah Wilburn, a 45-year-old operating engineer, ... reflected, "I was doing fine with him up until this government shutdown," he said. "It’s ridiculous. You’re not getting the wall built for $5 billion. And Mexico is not paying for it, we all know that, too. Meanwhile, it’s starting to turn people like me away."

He worries about the impact the shutdown will have on the economy. He’s concerned about the impact on his brother, who works for the TSA in Florida.

To him, the shutdown standoff has also poked holes in Trump’s ability to say that he cares for the working class, given that 800,000 federal employees and additional contractors going without a paycheck.​

Oh, now he realizes Mexico's not paying for it. Did he know that when "he" shouted, "Mexico?" Why didn't he and others like him demand that "their candidate" present a proposal that bore some sort of resemblance to reality? If Wilburn and others like him had done so when Trump was "primarying," it wouldn't have taken them two effing years to glean "the emperor has no clothes." Maybe it wouldn't have taken two years to see that then, as now, there's no "there" there, that he and his rhetoric were, as they remain, all "smoke and mirrors."

Would Jeremiah's approbation have waned had his brother not been affected? I wonder if his sibling has solicited him for financial assistance.


Did Trumpkins like Wilburn, Daudert and others bother saying to themselves, "Maybe I should avail myself of the Internet to see how much truth there is to what they're saying?" Hell, no! They just listened to Bill, Tucker, Sean, Ann, Rush and the rest of the rowdy right, every one of whom had no goal beyond attracting the greatest-possible quantity of listeners/viewers -- Is any of them an actual journalist (Tucker ages ago was, but those days have long since been gone)? -- not to disseminate the truth and advance any of assiduous Republicans in the GOP primaries.

What they did was buy little red hats; holler insipid refrains; content themselves with his likely SCOTUS appointees, as though any other GOP candidate wouldn't have appointed like-minded jurists; and bemuse themselves with Trump's alleged political novelty while dismissing his blatant naivete. What they did was treat a presidential election with the same seriousness as one might when voting for a winner of The Voice.

What they did was grouse "the elite this," "the establishment that," and "rich people the other," even as myriad members of "the elite et al" warned them about Trump and the depths of his desultoriness and egoistic depravity. They thought mainstream elites were against them, yet nothing was farther from the truth. The establishment, the elites were admonishing against Trump because they knew that they'd do just fine Trump or no Trump, but that "regular" Americans would not. Elites didn't disparage and decry Trump and Trumpkins because elites aimed to preserve their status thus; it was because "everyone else" isn't, because elites knew, sooner or later, Trump would screw people who aren't among the elite.

It doesn't take a genius to see that's what Trump's done. Ask a coal miner if his industry has come back. Watch the middle class' tax cut become a tax increase before the bill expires. Ask government workers. Those folks aren't and won't be better off. But one-percenters, well, one-percenters already are better off, many of them to the tune more than the median US salary.

But everytime one tried to tell them and show them Trump's twaddle, they always had a benightedly sardonic answer....and here we are. Mssrs. Daudert and Wilburn are among the folks whom I'd see royally screwed up one side and down the other as a result of Trump's ascension to the presidency. Is that vengeful on my part? "Damn skippy," it is! People like them "made their bed" and invited Trump into it. Now they need lie there and get ****ed, because choices have consequences. If suffering the consequences will make Daudert and his ilk pay attention next time, then that, not anyone's forgiveness.

Willful ignorance and they revel in it. Sad.

 

[Xelor]

Willful ignorance and they revel in it. Sad.

That's exactly what it is. I see that quality daily manifest among members of the "Fox News" crowd who post on DP.

And I should be clear: it's not all conservatives or all Republicans who routinely and most egregiously exhibit that shortcoming; a handful of conservative folks exhibit either sagacious restraint or due diligence, or both. It's Trumpkins (I responded to one of them just this morning) who are (almost?) universally too damned lazy to follow Ronald Reagan's advice-- "Trust, but verify" -- advice that, truly, everyone should heed.

 

[Casper]

Again...there were no good choices

Maybe you all forget that part of the equation

That is why I didn’t vote top of the ticket first time since 1980

Couldn’t vote for either...both smelled like crap

Some chose what they thought to be the lesser of two evils....

Maybe next time the two parties can put up better candidates

Agree, shouldn't be hard to upgrade, well for the Dems, the GOP seems set on trump no matter what.

 

[HumblePi]

Wake me if the bottom falls out of Trumps approval rating...so far that has not happened.

This is a big one, the next one will be bigger. The house of cards is being blown apart, and it's about damned time.