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Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality

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MTAtech said:
This makes me think of a haunting scene from “The Stranger,” a film in which Orson Welles portrays a Nazi on the run, hiding in America as a college professor. Over a dinner discussion, Welles character attempts to correct a statement made by his guest that positions Karl Marx as one of history’s most significant Germans, saying something along the lines of “But Marx wasn’t a German, he was a Jew.” Judaism isn't a nation either.
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Yes, Judaism is a religion, but then I think it's reasonable to say "the Jewish People," unlike gay people, could be defined as a "national origin group" under Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Many of them share common cultural, linguistic, and inherited physical characteristics, such as carrying genes for disorders such as Tay-Sachs disease. A "nation," such as the Cherokee or Sioux Nation, isn't always defined as a state.
 
Ahlevah said:
Yes, Judaism is a religion, but then I think it's reasonable to say "the Jewish People," unlike gay people, could be defined as a "national origin group" under Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Many of them share common cultural, linguistic, and inherited physical characteristics, such as carrying genes for disorders such as Tay-Sachs disease. A "nation," such as the Cherokee or Sioux Nation, isn't always defined as a state.
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Considering Jews as a nation has always been used to exclude them from the nation that they have adopted.
 
truthatallcost said:
You would need to read literature about the subject. Jewish scholars have written about a 'Jewish nation' for hundreds of years. It was meant to signify that Jews living around the world on different continents were part of a collective nation unto themselves, regardless of the physical nation they lived in.
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In which case you should have no difficulties in citing at least some of them.

GO!!!
 
MTAtech said:
Considering Jews as a nation has always been used to exclude them from the nation that they have adopted.
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Yes, but then many of them consider themselves to be members of a nation, the Jewish People, who share common cultural, linguistic, and physical traits, as well as a common religion. If you look at academic literature on the topic, they aren't the only ones who think this:

Nations are harder to define, though we shall try to do so. "Nation" is often loosely and incorrectly used to mean "state." We shall start be enumerating some nations. The Scots are a nation. The Basques, the Catalans, the Hungarians and the Ukrainians are nations. Of these, only the Ukrainians and Hungarians have states where most of the citizens are members of the nation; the other three nations are citizens of states that contain members of other nations. Most Hungarians live in Hungary but there are significant Hungarian minorities in several Eastern European states. The Jews are a nation and were so before there was a Jewish state of Israel.

M. Nicholson (2002). International Relations: A Concise Introduction
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I have no problem at all with Jews. You can get on an elevator with one and not be afraid even before, during or after Ramadan.
 
truthatallcost said:
You would need to read literature about the subject. Jewish scholars have written about a 'Jewish nation' for hundreds of years. It was meant to signify that Jews living around the world on different continents were part of a collective nation unto themselves, regardless of the physical nation they lived in.
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My Nationality is American.
My Religion is Judaism
My Ancestral Nationality is Russian - where my ancestors were forced to flee for their lives because their religion was Judaism.
 
MTAtech said:
My Nationality is American.
My Religion is Judaism
My Ancestral Nationality is Russian - where my ancestors were forced to flee for their lives because their religion was Judaism.
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I didn't know that MT. What year did they flee Russia?
 
Chomsky said:
Source: (CNN) Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality

Uh, what? Judaism is a nationality? So, those Jews residing here are not American citizens? Or are they all dual citizens, now?

I find this confusing and likely problematic ...
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This proves how Liberals will lose their minds lie about anything Trump does, even if he does something they would normaly agree with...lol

Trump signs executive order aimed at combating anti-Semitism on college campuses - ABC News
 
Rexedgar said:
I can’t wait to see what sort of a visual aid will be issued so that they can be identified.










/s
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It's fun to watch CNN run a headline, then watch you people take it hook, line and sinker...lol
 
i don't have any issues with Jews i have several friends who are jewish but i have a problem with the Israelis State where it thumbs it's nose at the international community with it's illegal settlements in the West bank and how they treat the Palestinians as 3rd class citizens ... they are putting them in ghettos and stealing their land by force there can be no two state agreement until the illegal settlements are gone and the land is returned to the Palestinians and at the same time Israels safety should be guaranteed ... Bibi and his government are acting like the same nazis that persecuted the jew from the 1930s to the mid 1940s
 
apdst said:
This proves how Liberals will lose their minds lie about anything Trump does, even if he does something they would normaly agree with...lol

Trump signs executive order aimed at combating anti-Semitism on college campuses - ABC News
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Don't you find it odd that every liberal source like ABC is declaring the EO to be about 'fighting antisemitism'. There's no difference between ABCs version of the order, and Fox News. Everything Trump does is criticized by the liberal mainstream media, yet there's bipartisan support for eliminating free speech on college campuses. Conservatives had better wake up here. If Slate.com is patting Trump on the back today, that's not a good sign for the people who supposedly want to Make America Great Again.
 
Godric1970 said:
i don't have any issues with Jews i have several friends who are jewish but i have a problem with the Israelis State where it thumbs it's nose at the international community with it's illegal settlements in the West bank and how they treat the Palestinians as 3rd class citizens ... they are putting them in ghettos and stealing their land by force there can be no two state agreement until the illegal settlements are gone and the land is returned to the Palestinians and at the same time Israels safety should be guaranteed ... Bibi and his government are acting like the same nazis that persecuted the jew from the 1930s to the mid 1940s
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What you just wrote will constitute a crime on your behalf at some point down the road, if the Israeli lobby keeps getting every little favor it asks from this President. And just in case you live in Europe, the same Orwellian laws are being written there as well.

Suspicious Swastikas Appear Once Again, as France Adopts Knesset Definition of Antisemitism
 
Chomsky said:
Source: (CNN) Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality

Uh, what? Judaism is a nationality? So, those Jews residing here are not American citizens? Or are they all dual citizens, now?

I find this confusing and likely problematic ...
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My impression is that to hurt people who don't deserve it, limit free speech, and generally be an asshole, Trump was convinced to do something stupid which few if any have thought through the consequences of.
 
truthatallcost said:
Don't you find it odd that every liberal source like ABC is declaring the EO to be about 'fighting antisemitism'. There's no difference between ABCs version of the order, and Fox News. Everything Trump does is criticized by the liberal mainstream media, yet there's bipartisan support for eliminating free speech on college campuses. Conservatives had better wake up here. If Slate.com is patting Trump on the back today, that's not a good sign for the people who supposedly want to Make America Great Again.
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Jewish leaders were cool to the proposal as well.

"If President Trump truly wanted to address the scourge of anti-Semitism he helped to create, he would accept responsibility for his role emboldening white nationalism, perpetuating anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, and repeating stereotypes that have led to violence targeting Jews," Halie Soifer, executive director of the Jewish Democratic Council of America, said in a statement. "Instead, President Trump continues to view Israel and anti-Semitism solely through a political lens, which he attempts to use to his political advantage."

"This executive order, like the stalled congressional legislation it is based on, appears designed less to combat anti-Semitism than to have a chilling effect on free speech and to crack down on campus critics of Israel," J Street President Jeremy Ben-Ami said in a statement. "J Street is committed to fighting all forms of anti-Semitism — and we feel it is misguided and harmful for the White House to unilaterally declare a broad range of nonviolent campus criticism of Israel to be anti-Semitic, especially at a time when the prime driver of anti-Semitism in this country is the xenophobic, white nationalist far-right."
 
truthatallcost said:
1905-ish?
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My thinking is that it my grandparents immigrated in 1900 because my aunt was born in the U.S. and she was born in 1900. My grandmother was probably carrying her on the ship.
 
MTAtech said:
Jewish leaders were cool to the proposal as well.

"If President Trump truly wanted to address the scourge of anti-Semitism he helped to create, he would accept responsibility for his role emboldening white nationalism, perpetuating anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, and repeating stereotypes that have led to violence targeting Jews," Halie Soifer, executive director of the Jewish Democratic Council of America, said in a statement. "Instead, President Trump continues to view Israel and anti-Semitism solely through a political lens, which he attempts to use to his political advantage."

"This executive order, like the stalled congressional legislation it is based on, appears designed less to combat anti-Semitism than to have a chilling effect on free speech and to crack down on campus critics of Israel," J Street President Jeremy Ben-Ami said in a statement. "J Street is committed to fighting all forms of anti-Semitism — and we feel it is misguided and harmful for the White House to unilaterally declare a broad range of nonviolent campus criticism of Israel to be anti-Semitic, especially at a time when the prime driver of anti-Semitism in this country is the xenophobic, white nationalist far-right."
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Thanks, but something much bigger is driving the push to declare criticism of Israel to be antisemitism: France and Austria have or are planning on similar definitions, which may carry criminal punishment given the illegal status of antisemitism in Europe. You can't blame it all back on Trump. I doubt that he tells the French and Austrian Parliaments how to vote.
 
truthatallcost said:
Thanks, but something much bigger is driving the push to declare criticism of Israel to be antisemitism: France and Austria have or are planning on similar definitions, which may carry criminal punishment given the illegal status of antisemitism in Europe. You can't blame it all back on Trump. I doubt that he tells the French and Austrian Parliaments how to vote.
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What I can blame Trump for is language that has emboldened white nationalists and anti-semites. He also called upon the evangelical pastor Robert Jeffress to offer some words at the executive order announcement. Jeffress, is on record as saying Jews were going to hell, said at the White House that Trump is "the most pro-faith president in history." Really? The serial philanderer, who built gambling houses and cheats charities out of money doesn't deserve the title.
 
Godric1970 said:
i don't have any issues with Jews i have several friends who are jewish but i have a problem with the Israelis State where it thumbs it's nose at the international community with it's illegal settlements in the West bank and how they treat the Palestinians as 3rd class citizens ... they are putting them in ghettos and stealing their land by force there can be no two state agreement until the illegal settlements are gone and the land is returned to the Palestinians and at the same time Israels safety should be guaranteed ... Bibi and his government are acting like the same nazis that persecuted the jew from the 1930s to the mid 1940s
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Unfortunately there's this ongoing narrative that one cannot critique the Israeli government without being an anti-semite, which of course is absolutely absurd.
 
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