Trump to 'sign executive order about social media

[HumblePi]

They could shut down completely, effectively banning everyone. So what?

Twitter is making so much money, they would never shut down completely.

 

[Lursa]

Huh. I wonder why the President of the United States of America would object to his social media posts being fact checked?

Does he not post honestly and responsibly?


Of course I'd understand it for a 14 yr old trying to impress his peers, trying to be cool, trying to get his way, even trying to bully others....

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[ReubenSherr]

Don't remember Twitter taking issue with Hillary Clinton when she tweeted this...

Hillary Clinton Tweet On Pandemic Actions Draws Fire For Insensitivity – Deadline

 

[beancounter]

Yes but there could be a silver lining to this sh** cloud. The republicans are not looking so good this fall. I always thought Trump would take the party down with him. The mystery is why can't the senators see that?

Because they have been defending him for so long, backing out now would make them look foolish, and make them a target of RW media.

So, they just stay the course, hoping that someone can spin it enough or cause a distraction.

 

[Lutherf]

Huh. I wonder why the President of the United States of America would object to his social media posts being fact checked?

Does he not post honestly and responsibly?


Of course I'd understand it for a 14 yr old trying to impress his peers, trying to be cool, trying to get his way, even trying to bully others....

I don't think he's complaining about his posts being fact checked. He's complaining about them being flagged as "potentially misleading" and that's a legitimate complaint. If the admins on this site started flagging your posts as being possibly misleading and didn't do the same to other users you too would have every right to be pissed off.

 

[Lursa]

It's not a freedom of speech issue - the issue is whether they should continue to be offered special legal protection based on being an "open platform". Once some content gets flagged as being "non-factual" then the platform should become responsible for all of its content.

They arent flagging it as non-factual. They are offering the reader a choice to check.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Common Sense 1]

Wise words from Professor Turley!

Jonathan Turley
Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University, criminal defense attorney, and legal analyst.

https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley


Jonathan Turley
@JonathanTurley

Trump in my view is right in condemning the action of Twitter. The focus should be on the company's assault on free speech principles. Anyone who values free speech on the Internet and social media should be appalled by this action regardless of their feelings about Pres. Trump.

 

[Lursa]

Freedumb! "The working group will also monitor or create watch-lists of users" – HotAir

The draft order also requires the Attorney General to establish a working group including state attorneys general that will examine the enforcement of state laws that prohibit online platforms from engaging in unfair and deceptive acts.

The working group will also monitor or create watch-lists of users based on their interactions with content or other users.

Yup it's right there in black and white (and red ). In order to preserve his own right to lie unquestioned, The Donald is leading us further and further into McCarthyism.

And his followers will walk right over the cliff like lemmings.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[danielpalos]

BBC Link



What will president dirtbag come up with now?

We can blame the right wing in the Senate.

 

[vesper]

I will always fall on the side of free speech no matter how stupid it may be. Twitter is a private company and can do what they want but their choices can come with consequences due to their own personal "truths". Why should Twitter receive special treatment if it is going to editorialize? That is a fair question. They "fact-checked" Trumps claim of voter fraud using mail in ballots to be false even though there have been many prosecutions since 2016 of people who did just that especially with what is known as ballot harvesting.

So it appears anyone who is on Twitter is at the mercy of what Twitter claims is "truth". Evidently they never targeted Shifty Schiff's debunked Russian collusion claims.

 

[Lursa]

Early in this sorry farce, I read Sinclair Lewis’s book “It Can’t Happen Here”.

I have thought about rereading it, but the thought chills me to the bone.

The forces of fear, prejudice, resentment and xenophobia that are the touchstones of Trumpism, will be familiar to any reader.

Thanks for this. I just looked up the book on Amazon and it looks like I bought it 2 yrs ago for my Kindle. I will pull it up into my reading list.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Common Sense 1]

Of course there is no bias against conservatives at twitter??


Twitter exec in charge of effort to fact-check Trump has history of anti-Trump posts, called McConnell a 'bag of farts'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/twitter-exec-in-charge-of-effort-to-fact-check-trump-has-history-of-anti-trump-posts-called-mcconnell-a-bag-of-farts

Twitter's "Head of Site Integrity" Yoel Roth boasts on his LinkedIn that he is in charge of "developing and enforcing Twitter’s rules," like the one that led Twitter to slap a new "misleading" warning label on two of President Trump's tweets concerning nationwide mail-in balloting on Tuesday.

However, Roth's own barrage of anti-Trump, politically charged tweets seemingly calls into question whether he should be creating guidelines for the president and other Twitter users, especially when Twitter is under fire for its alleged left-wing bias.

Commentators, meanwhile, have argued that Trump's tweets on the risks of mail-in voting were not actually misleading, and the president accused Twitter of seeking to "interfere" in the upcoming election under the guise of a supposedly neutral "fact-checking" policy. Experts have said that a "genuine absentee ballot fraud scandal" is currently underway in a New Jersey city council election, for example.

Roth has previously referred to Trump and his team as "ACTUAL NAZIS," mocked Trump supporters by saying that "we fly over those states that voted for a racist tangerine for a reason," and called Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., a "personality-free bag of farts." Last August, Twitter suspended McConnell's Twitter account, prompting the GOP to threaten to cut off advertising on the site until Twitter relented.

In September 2016, Roth tweeted, "I’ve never donated to a presidential campaign before, but I just gave $100 to Hillary for America. We can’t fu-k around anymore."

When Trump won the November 2016 election, Roth dejectedly chalked the development up to "[Bernie] Sanders protest voters, and racism," before sounding more optimistic notes.

"I’m almost ready to stop dwelling on how my friends are complicit in the election of Donald Trump," he said on Jan. 7, 2017. "Almost."

"Massive anti-Trump protest headed up Valencia St," Roth wrote on Jan. 20, 2017, followed by a "heart" emoji and the words "San Francisco."

In response to this story, Twitter spokesperson told Fox News: "No one person at Twitter is responsible for our policies or enforcement actions, and it's unfortunate to see individual employees targeted for company decisions."

 

[Jredbaron96]

Irrelevant comment from an out-of-context quote.

What?

 

[Lursa]

I don't think he's complaining about his posts being fact checked. He's complaining about them being flagged as "potentially misleading" and that's a legitimate complaint. If the admins on this site started flagging your posts as being possibly misleading and didn't do the same to other users you too would have every right to be pissed off.

Hmmm. OK I understand the distinction. I have to think thru the angles. Since it's a private company and no one is forcing him to post on it...???

Thanks.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Rawley]

He wants to protect freedom of speech by restricting freedom of speech. He feels he has the right to say whatever he wants on Twitter but Twitter hasn't the right to say, "Fact check here."

Yep. That was the deal that Congress gave them. They want to become CNN, the have to live under the rules CNN lives under.

 

[Linc]

Adding content (a link to a "credible" source) to a user post (tweet?) is editing.

This “editing” l, as ‘you’ call it, is akin to stopping people from ‘yelling fire in a theatre’. Maybe a little Texas affluenza. Liberate Libertarians, some who are libertaryans.

Corrupt Bill Barr and the Corrupt USSC have yet to weigh in. None of this would matter if Trumpocalyse Enablers and Defenders would demand Truth and Proof.

 

[JasperL]

It's not a freedom of speech issue - the issue is whether they should continue to be offered special legal protection based on being an "open platform". Once some content gets flagged as being "non-factual" then the platform should become responsible for all of its content.

That's an impossible burden. Just for example, this place edits our comments - removes some, kicks people off the forum, and infracts some of us, so threatens us with harsher action if we don't behave. So should they, therefore, be held legally accountable if some post isn't flagged? Do you really want every website that isn't a free for all gutter to be now open to prosecution/lawsuits for the content of users?

 

[JasperL]

Why you must resort to creating a straw man? The content in question was not deemed to have been hate speech or obscene. The issue is that once user content is edited (labeled as either factual or non-factual) by the platform (editorial?) staff then it is no longer an "open platform" and should become legally responsible for all of its published content just like other mass media sources.

Why wouldn't it apply to hate speech or obscene speech. If it removes some hate speech, shouldn't it be held accountable if it doesn't remove all such speech, including overt threats? If you create that burden that all user content is the responsibility of the platform, if they exercise any editorial control, then you'll shut down all those sites. It's really that simple, because the big ones cannot possibly monitor all the content in real time, and people are fallible and so will make mistakes, overlook something, make a bad decision in one case and a different one in another, etc.

 

[eman623]

Twitter is making so much money, they would never shut down completely.

How much would shutting down Trump's twitter account cost them?

 

[eman623]

Huh. I wonder why the President of the United States of America would object to his social media posts being fact checked?

Does he not post honestly and responsibly?

Of course I'd understand it for a 14 yr old trying to impress his peers, trying to be cool, trying to get his way, even trying to bully others....

99% of "fact-checking" is a euphemism for, "my tribe's spin dressed up as objective analysis".

 

[JasperL]

There's only one US president. Does that mean they're only going to "fact-check" (aka add negative spin to) Trump's tweets? Yeah, no bias there.

Guess what? A private company is entitled to be biased. Breitbart is biased. That's fine, actually - part of that free speech thing that only matters when it's not being targeted at right wingers.

 

[iguanaman]

My understanding, and I'm damned sure no expert, is that Twitter is currently afforded protections from liability under this section based on the idea that they are merely a communications platform and not a "publisher". If, however, they are using their platform to "publish" then they should not be afforded the protection of this section. The idea is that if they are presenting their own opinion with regard to what is "fact" and what is "potentially misleading information" then they are putting their thumb on the scale and are no longer merely a communications platform.

I suspect that if they merely had a blanket warning in a banner across their interface stating something to the effect of "users are responsible for their own determination as to the reliability of anything posted through this application" there wouldn't be any of this discussion happening.

Or Trump could quit lying in nearly every tweet he makes. I know that is too much to ask but it would be a solution.

 

[eman623]

Guess what? A private company is entitled to be biased. Breitbart is biased. That's fine, actually - part of that free speech thing that only matters when it's not being targeted at right wingers.

Fine. If they are no longer a neutral content provider, then they are a publisher and can be sued for the content they allow on their site.

Next time someone calls Trump a Nazi on Twitter, they better pull that down or be prepared to show in court how and when Trump joined a defunct 1930's German political party.

 

[Lutherf]

Or Trump could quit lying in nearly every tweet he makes. I know that is too much to ask but it would be a solution.

Hey! There's an idea. Maybe we can outlaw lies. We can start by making lies misdemeanors but if that doesn't stop the problem we could always make them felonies.

 

[RealityNow]

PEOPLE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION.... Trump is and has been using "Hitler's Playbook" AGAINST America and Against Our Allied Nations and Our Citizen Population.


These Republicans and Trump are vile and dangerous to American Democracy.

Trump is using Hitler's Propaganda Tricks

The Nazi Propaganda Ministry, directed by Dr. Joseph Goebbels, took control of all forms of communication in Germany: newspapers, magazines, books, public meetings, and rallies, art, music, movies, and radio. Viewpoints in any way threatening to Nazi beliefs or to the regime were censored or eliminated from all media.

Outside of Germany during WWII, people around the globe were aghast at the profound deceitfulness of Nazi propaganda, the ridiculous exaggerations, the outright falsehoods, the astonishing acceptance of the German people. How on earth could intelligent, rational people have been convinced by all that shlock?

* (This identifies Trump,Republican Conservatives and Right Wingers and his Cult Followers Exactly)

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~~ Appeal to the fears and anger of a constituency that feels they are being wronged or marginalized by the governmental powers that be. In Hitler’s case, he played upon the average Germans’ fear they were being ignored by their own failing government and industries.

~~ Harken back to the days of historical pride. In his speeches, Hitler shouted that Germany was once a great and powerful nation. And was in fact winning World War I, until weak politicians and cowardly generals gave up and surrendered their country to the Allies of Britain and France. Only the Nazis could make Germany great once again.

~~ Portray yourself as an Outsider, as the only one who can unite the troubled nation and fix the country’s many problems. Play upon a divided parties of government, with their inactivity and stagnation, leaving the door open for a tyrant like Hitler to step into the leadership vacuum with a radical Populist message of the Nazis.

~~ Use contemporary advertising techniques to convey your messages over and over again to the public. Hitler and Goebbels expertly used radio, movies, posters and pamphlets to flood Germany with their Facist message. Repetitive propaganda delivers a kind of feedback loop, each cycle reinforcing the one before. It tapped into the deep-seeded bigotry of the populace.


~~ Repeat lies often enough and the people will believe they are true. Facts that do not support the narrative are deemed ‘Fake’ and even unpatriotic or subversive. Your opponents actions show they must hate their own country. The Nazis used book burnings with great success to demonize any ideas counter to that of the Third Reich.

~~ Extreme Nationalism resonates with those who see themselves as disenfranchised, even if they technically are middle class. So the demagoguery and totalitarianism of Hitler was ultimately seen as acceptable. The goal is not to gain 100% of minds, but 100% of Emotions – so convince their hearts of your twisted vision, and the mind surrenders its logic.

~~ bigotry, racism, xenophobia and sexism were simply ‘an ends to a means’ for the Nazis.

~~ You need a Scapegoat to rally against. People who don’t look, think or pray like us. A particular race, religion, or faction [in Hitler’s case, the Jews and migrant Gypsies] who are the root cause of all the problems facing hard-working Germans. Portray them as dangerous, criminal, and even sub-human. After all, who could trust such people? Why risk it? Better to round them all up and deport them!

ANOTHER "HITLER STYLED MOVE"....

Trump, trying to emulate his hero!!!

His buddy Steve Bannon is trying to stir up and promote White Nationalism in Europe...