Trump still uses his personal cell phone despite warnings and increased call scrutiny

[EnigmaO01]

We had the same issue with Obama, just let it die.

No we did not. You are making stuff up again to fit your agenda.

‘Too inconvenient’: Trump goes rogue on phone security - POLITICO

 

[EnigmaO01]

Trump hate at full display. Post any silly story that is negative to the president.We see this behavior over and over here at DP!

Trump defense no matter what on full display. Post anything the Trump supporters don't like, regardess of its veracity, and they melt like the snowflakes they are.

 

[Oborosen]

No we did not. You are making stuff up again to fit your agenda.

‘Too inconvenient’: Trump goes rogue on phone security - POLITICO

Then you're welcome to run away if you like. Because I don't' see you showing me information that Obama didn't get to keep his Blackberry.

Just three politico writers who're waxing idiotic all over again.

 

[Oborosen]

This is pure fiction. You believe this because Hannity told you to believe it. It's amazing how effective propaganda is.

According to the FBI the order on part of Clinton's assistant to destroy the e-mails came many months before the request for the e-mails were made. Hannity didn't tell you that, did he?

They were also to find the e-mails that were deleted. You see, when e-mails are sent to someone else, the recipient of those e-mails gets a copy. That's how e-mails work. And the FBI found there was nothing untoward in the deleted e-mails, indicating they had not been deleted to cover anything up. Hannity didn't tell you that, did he?

If you have evidence indicating Clinton ordered the evidence to be destroyed. Share it.

Then you're talking about completely different e-mails. As I'm talking about the ones that got deleted despite Congress ordering that they be handed over.

Then again that's probably the only defense you have at this point. You don't use something like BleachBit on personal emails pertaining to things like Yoga.

 

[TomFitz]

We had the same issue with Obama, just let it die.

Warnings and increased scrutiny are not the DOD, or DOJ telling him that he cannot use his own phone. So long as he follows the necessary steps, he can still use it.

I do not recall any issue over Obama’s phone use, or of any other secure communication in the Obama White House.

And he didn’t use TV lawyers and Russian bag men to conduct his foreign policy either!

 

[TomFitz]

Then you're talking about completely different e-mails. As I'm talking about the ones that got deleted despite Congress ordering that they be handed over.

Then again that's probably the only defense you have at this point. You don't use something like BleachBit on personal emails pertaining to things like Yoga.

You’re talking about the same e-mails. They were destroyed well before anyone asked for them.

 

[Oborosen]

I do not recall any issue over Obama’s phone use, or of any other secure communication in the Obama White House.

And he didn’t use TV lawyers and Russian bag men to conduct his foreign policy either!

As far as you know, or care. Though I doubt that is actually far at all.

Obama Keeps His Blackberry in a Hard-Fought E-Victory - The New York Times

 

[TomFitz]

Just like I said another crap story from CNN!! Get it.... ??

A “crap” story that has been reported before, and largely confirmed.

Trump got mad when aids told him that his official communication records were public (not the content). How can you hide talking to Rudy, Paul, Roger, Lev and Igor, and Jared (not to mention Vladimir) if you have to do it on the up and up.

Better to used the bat phone!

 

[cpwill]

Trump still uses his personal cell phone despite warnings and increased call scrutiny

Trump still uses his personal cell phone despite warnings and increased call scrutiny - CNNPolitics

President Donald Trump has continued to use his personal cell phone to make calls, despite repeated warnings from his staff that the practice could leave him vulnerable to foreign surveillance, multiple officials told CNN.

The Democratic impeachment inquiry has resurrected concerns about the security and potential vulnerability of the President's communications. Witness testimony revealed some top officials repeatedly failed to follow protocol intended to prevent sensitive phone conversations, including those involving the President, from being intercepted by foreign intelligence services

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But but but her e-mails!

Trump and his supporters never cared about issues related to classified information or our national security with regard to the Clinton e-mail controversy. It was all just an excuse to attack Clinton.

There are three basic charges WRT Clinton's use of unclassified servers to store and communicate secret and top-secret information.

1. It was a felony
2. It put national security at risk


All classification authority derives from Executive Order, meaning the President can declassify information at will. So, #1 does not apply to him.

If any transmission of classified information over unclassified communications' lines is not taking place after a deliberate decision to declassify that information in order to better achieve one or another national security objective, however, then #2 probably still does.

This is very similar to when Trump decided to tweet out classified imagery of Iran a while back. It's legal for him to do. It's just dangerous and foolish.

 

[RealityNow]

Trump still uses his personal cell phone despite warnings and increased call scrutiny

Trump still uses his personal cell phone despite warnings and increased call scrutiny - CNNPolitics

President Donald Trump has continued to use his personal cell phone to make calls, despite repeated warnings from his staff that the practice could leave him vulnerable to foreign surveillance, multiple officials told CNN.

The Democratic impeachment inquiry has resurrected concerns about the security and potential vulnerability of the President's communications. Witness testimony revealed some top officials repeatedly failed to follow protocol intended to prevent sensitive phone conversations, including those involving the President, from being intercepted by foreign intelligence services

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But but but her e-mails!

Trump and his supporters never cared about issues related to classified information or our national security with regard to the Clinton e-mail controversy. It was all just an excuse to attack Clinton.

They set their attack program in motion with the Benghazi spin, until it backfired in their face... they only cared to have engaged a national and global smear campaign.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

This seems worse and more serious than Hillary Clinton using personal email and a personal email server

It is worse. It is more serious. They never cared. They just couldn't stand the thought of a woman being their leader.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Then you're talking about completely different e-mails. As I'm talking about the ones that got deleted despite Congress ordering that they be handed over.

Then again that's probably the only defense you have at this point. You don't use something like BleachBit on personal emails pertaining to things like Yoga.

Same e-mails.

The order to delete those e-mails came before the order from Congress to hand them over.

The FBI found many of the deleted e-mails, enough to determine there was nothing bad about them.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

There are three basic charges WRT Clinton's use of unclassified servers to store and communicate secret and top-secret information.

1. It was a felony

Her actions did not meet the elements of the felony everyone keeps pointing to.

At most, she risked being convicted of a misdemeanor.

2. It put national security at risk

Somewhat, she almost entirely put sensitive information at risk, not classified information.

It was still wrong for her to do it though.

All classification authority derives from Executive Order, meaning the President can declassify information at will. So, #1 does not apply to him.

This is true, but this does mean Trump is unbound by logic and objective reality. If Trump is putting national security risk it's still a problem EVEN IF he has the authority to do so.

It's legal for him to do. It's just dangerous and foolish.

Yes.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

They set their attack program in motion with the Benghazi spin, until it backfired in their face... they only cared to have engaged a national and global smear campaign.

I agree.

 

[cpwill]

Her actions did not meet the elements of the felony everyone keeps pointing to.

At most, she risked being convicted of a misdemeanor.

:shrug: there is really no other thing to say than that this is flatly incorrect. The law that Hillary broke is the same one that we would like to speak to Mr Snowden about, and that we put Bradley Manning in prison for.

Somewhat, she almost entirely put sensitive information at risk, not classified information.

This is also, as a simple matter of record, incorrect.

It was still wrong for her to do it though.

This, however, is exactly correct.

This is true, but this does mean Trump is unbound by logic and objective reality. If Trump is putting national security risk it's still a problem EVEN IF he has the authority to do so.

Yup.

 

[TomFitz]

There are three basic charges WRT Clinton's use of unclassified servers to store and communicate secret and top-secret information.

1. It was a felony
2. It put national security at risk


All classification authority derives from Executive Order, meaning the President can declassify information at will. So, #1 does not apply to him.

If any transmission of classified information over unclassified communications' lines is not taking place after a deliberate decision to declassify that information in order to better achieve one or another national security objective, however, then #2 probably still does.

This is very similar to when Trump decided to tweet out classified imagery of Iran a while back. It's legal for him to do. It's just dangerous and foolish.

I don’t know where you got this notion that there is some overlaying concept called Executive Order. I have never seen it, and I doubt that anyone else has.

None the less, the President does have the authority to declassify something pretty much at will. The issues involve national security. Thus President almost never reveal any classified information, at least not without the input and advice of staff.

That is, unless you’re Donald Trump. So you can talk about hot crisis at the dinner table, surrounded by world leaders. You blurb military secrets to Russian envoys,not once, but twice. And then you go on meeting with them behind closed doors and refuse to tell you own staff what’s going on.

As we have repeatedly seen, Donald Trump does not care about, nor is he willing wait for “a deliberate decision to declassify that information in order to better achieve one or another national security objective”.

Trump just gives it away, or burts it out. Generally, his only criteria is how he thinks it will play on the cable TV news cycle.

Dangerous and foolish are two of the watchwords of this Administration.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Republicans don't care if communications between our president and foreign leaders/US citizens is intercepted.


shocker.

 

[TomFitz]

:shrug: there is really no other thing to say than that this is flatly incorrect. The law that Hillary broke is the same one that we would like to speak to Mr Snowden about, and that we put Bradley Manning in prison for.



This is also, as a simple matter of record, incorrect.



This, however, is exactly correct.




Yup.

You are welcome to document your claims.

Issa’ campaign, aided in no small part by a running public relations campaign in right wing media, never turned up anything worth prosecuting.

(it should come as no surprise that the people behind the Benghazi public relations campaign, Joe DiGenova and Victoria Toensing, are named co conspirators in the Trump/Ukraine scandal as well.


But the talk radio crowd ate every word of it up and bought the overall theme, hook, line and sinker.

These same people didn’t utter a peep when Henry Waxman’s Government Oversight Reform Committee stumbled over the fact that nearly the entire Bush White House was avoiding thier official e-mail and using RNC servers (good thing the Russians hacked the DNC, not the RNC!).

And the same crowd is either silent, or offer noisy, generally made up rationalzations for why the Trump White House team is doing the same thing, and for Trump talking to the flunkies that he has running around playing Austin Powers around the world on an open line.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Just another phony CNN Bull story!!


Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
Dec 6

Fake News @CNN is reporting that I am “still using personal cell phone for calls despite repeated security warnings.” This is totally false information and reporting. I haven’t had a personal cell phone for years. Only use government approved and issued phones. Retract!


Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "Fake News @CNN is reporting that I am “still using personal cell phone for calls despite repeated security warnings.” This is totally false information and reporting. I haven’t had a personal cell phone for years. Only use government approved and issued phones. Retract!"

Pathological liar issues a tweet, solves it, must be fake news....

 

[cpwill]

I don’t know where you got this notion that there is some overlaying concept called Executive Order. I have never seen it, and I doubt that anyone else has.

Then you would be incorrect. Classification authority and definitions flow from Executive Orders such as 12333 and 13526.

None the less, the President does have the authority to declassify something pretty much at will.

That is correct.

The issues involve national security. Thus President almost never reveal any classified information, at least not without the input and advice of staff.

That is, unless you’re Donald Trump. So you can talk about hot crisis at the dinner table, surrounded by world leaders. You blurb military secrets to Russian envoys,not once, but twice. And then you go on meeting with them behind closed doors and refuse to tell you own staff what’s going on.

As we have repeatedly seen, Donald Trump does not care about, nor is he willing wait for “a deliberate decision to declassify that information in order to better achieve one or another national security objective”.

Trump just gives it away, or burts it out. Generally, his only criteria is how he thinks it will play on the cable TV news cycle.

Dangerous and foolish are two of the watchwords of this Administration.

You'll get no argument from me that Trump is impulsive and uninformed, to his detriment and ours. I've been making that argument since 2015.

 

[PeteEU]

Yes, Obama got to keep his BlackBerry...with enhanced encryption and limitations on use.




Nope, it would be the Presidential Records Act, which requires archiving presidential communications, telling him that.




And that's the question, whether he's following the necessary steps? Aside from not preserving records and potential hacking/malware infection, a concern is the GPS of an unsecured phone makes it easier to pinpoint the President's location.

He is not. The Don has a history of destroying documents once he has read them. This goes in part back to the 1970s and 1980s when he was busted with his father of various violations and later on due to his bankruptcies. This has by all accounts continued in the White House.

Sent from my Honor 8X

 

[W_Heisenberg]

:shrug: there is really no other thing to say than that this is flatly incorrect. The law that Hillary broke is the same one that we would like to speak to Mr Snowden about, and that we put Bradley Manning in prison for.

I know this may come as a shock to you. I understand many people who opposed Clinton just simply assume it to be true that she committed a crime and was let off the hook. Unfortunately, they've been lied to.

Many comparisons have been drawn to convictions of military personnel with respect to the mishandling of classified intelligence, such as your comparison to Bradley Manning, but the UCMJ does not apply to civilians. The military version of the law does not require the element of intent, whereas the civilian version of the law requires the element of intent in order for a suspect to be convicted. A Supreme Court ruling, Gorin v. United States (1941), makes it unlikely anyone will ever be charged on (f) of 18 USC 793 just based on negligence. This ruling and also the fact no one has ever been charged on (f) support the FBI's decision to recommend to the DOJ that Clinton not be prosecuted. 18 USC 793 was not written well, and the Supreme Court said, that intent was necessary for 18 USC 793 to be constitutionally valid.

At last we come to the constitutional barriers to prosecution. As Comey made clear in his testimony to Congress, while the statutory standard in §793(f) is “gross negligence,” the Justice Department has historically been reluctant to prosecute—indictments under §793(f) are vanishingly rare—without something at least approaching evidence of intent. One reason for that may be that the Supreme Court’s opinion in Gorin v. United States (1941), which suggests that the Espionage Act’s intent requirements are an important feature that save it from unconstitutional vagueness. Due process requires that the law give citizens clear notice of what conduct is criminally prohibited, and in a country that (in large part for First Amendment reasons) has never had a British-style Official Secrets Act, there would be real reason to fear it would be too easy to unwittingly commit a crime absent relatively strict intent requirements. After all, classified information is routinely (and lawfully) printed on the front pages of newspapers—it would be perverse if forwarding a New York Times article were an indictable offense—and the sheer volume of classified material means it’s often difficult for officials to keep track of whether a particular fact is classified at a given time. Add in the historical paucity of prosecutions for mere insecure discussion of classified facts and it’s easy to imagine Clinton’s attorneys successfully sinking any case with a due process argument.

The Server Will Bewitch You Shortly | Cato @ Liberty

If you have some access to some other real, legal analysis, not the opinion of an opinion show host like Hannity, which you think is a better analysis of the law, please, by all means, refer to it.

This is also, as a simple matter of record, incorrect.

The vast majority of the e-mails on her server were never classified. The FBI examined 30,000 or so e-mails, 27,890 or so emails were not classified. Not then, not now, not ever, not at any point in time. To clarify, that's about 93% of the e-mails which were never found to be classified at any time. That's a lot. Of those 30,000 e-mails 2,100 were up-classified afterwords. So at the time Clinton and her people were using her server, there were only about 110 e-mails that were classified at the time they were being transmitted. That's 0.36%. So out of 30,000 e-mails examined, 99.64% (approximately) were not labeled as classified. And then we have to add to that the fact that the vast majority of the 110 classified e-mail were not properly marked as classified. Only a handful of that 110 classified e-mails was marked as classified.

If you have some other data which you think is a more accurate reflection of the record, then please, by all means, refer to it.

 

[SILVER SURFER]

He is not. The Don has a history of destroying documents once he has read them. This goes in part back to the 1970s and 1980s when he was busted with his father of various violations and later on due to his bankruptcies. This has by all accounts continued in the White House.

Sent from my Honor 8X

Yeah, the question was rhetorical.

 

[American]

Trump still uses his personal cell phone despite warnings and increased call scrutiny

Trump still uses his personal cell phone despite warnings and increased call scrutiny - CNNPolitics

President Donald Trump has continued to use his personal cell phone to make calls, despite repeated warnings from his staff that the practice could leave him vulnerable to foreign surveillance, multiple officials told CNN.

The Democratic impeachment inquiry has resurrected concerns about the security and potential vulnerability of the President's communications. Witness testimony revealed some top officials repeatedly failed to follow protocol intended to prevent sensitive phone conversations, including those involving the President, from being intercepted by foreign intelligence services

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But but but her e-mails!

Trump and his supporters never cared about issues related to classified information or our national security with regard to the Clinton e-mail controversy. It was all just an excuse to attack Clinton.

Trump should use a govt supplied phone.

 

[JackA]

Lock him up!

How can we not?