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Trump Selling Out America

Post # 22. Enjoy!!

Hi grok. That was informative, I seem to recall the issue. I don't see the point of what clinton decided twenty years ago has to do with trump today? When government officials do something to pad their own pockets, it's not ok and party should play no part. They are elected to represent us not prey on us by passing bills that will help themselves now or down the road after congress. They are not their to sell their position to the highest bidders but it happens all the time. I'm heading towards seventy, even Nixon wasn't this bad. Trump cares about trump. One day his supporters will realize it's just that simple.
 
Hi grok. That was informative, I seem to recall the issue. I don't see the point of what clinton decided twenty years ago has to do with trump today? When government officials do something to pad their own pockets, it's not ok and party should play no part. They are elected to represent us not prey on us by passing bills that will help themselves now or down the road after congress. They are not their to sell their position to the highest bidders but it happens all the time. I'm heading towards seventy, even Nixon wasn't this bad. Trump cares about trump. One day his supporters will realize it's just that simple.

Exactly

But, it is nice to see them admit they have a Bill Clinton of their own
 
Hi grok. That was informative, I seem to recall the issue. I don't see the point of what clinton decided twenty years ago has to do with trump today? When government officials do something to pad their own pockets, it's not ok and party should play no part. They are elected to represent us not prey on us by passing bills that will help themselves now or down the road after congress. They are not their to sell their position to the highest bidders but it happens all the time. I'm heading towards seventy, even Nixon wasn't this bad. Trump cares about trump. One day his supporters will realize it's just that simple.

The POINT is something that REALLY HAPPENED, as opposed to the Fake News madeup BULL**** of the OP.

Pres.Trump has "sold out America to the Chinese" in NO WAY...as opposed to the FACUTAL DATA about Clinton and Obama doing just that.
 
Exactly

But, it is nice to see them admit they have a Bill Clinton of their own

Oh....so Trump has sold sensitive missile tech to Red China, and been listed on the flight roster to Epstein's Perv Island?

Please provide the CERTIFICATION of those claims...as if.... :lamo
 
Maybe I wasn't clear.


BULL****!

And see how I got ALL THOSE VARIOUS NEWS OUTLETS, as well as the US CONGRESS, to go along with me, and cooperate reporting the "BULL****", you apparently cannot bear to admit happened.

Please list all the things Trump has give Red China...starting with MILITARY TECHNOOLOGY....

Hilarious. :lamo


Good luck resuscitating your FAILED THREAD.
 
And see how I got ALL THOSE VARIOUS NEWS OUTLETS, as well as the US CONGRESS, to go along with me, and cooperate reporting the "BULL****", you apparently cannot bear to admit happened.

Please list all the things Trump has give Red China...starting with MILITARY TECHNOOLOGY....

Hilarious. :lamo


Good luck resuscitating your FAILED THREAD.

See how your post has nothing to do with this thread
 
Trump wants to transfer US nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia.

Yeah, that's selling out America.
 
Yeah..sure it is, and he RESCINDED A LONG STANDING EXEC ORDER BANNING IT, to MAKE IT HAPPEN.


Clinton Approves Technology Transfer to China


The Clinton Administration notified Congress today that it had approved the export of technology to China to permit the launching of a communications satellite aboard a Chinese rocket next month.

The certification was the first such notice to Congress under the law, which was passed in the aftermath of a Congressional uproar last year over the transfer of sensitive missile technology to China.

Clinton Approves Technology Transfer to China - The New York Times


Here's more that you are clueless about...who was the LOBBYIST for LORAL...the missile tech company that made MILLIONS in the deal with RED CHINA for US guided missile tech? TOM DASCHLE's (then DEMOCRAT SENATE MAJORITY LEADER) wife, that's who.



Missile Failures Led To Loral-China Link






In May 1996, a Loral representative on that panel faxed Chinese space officials Loral's findings -- a breach that company superiors immediately reported to the State Department. Later, the Pentagon concluded that the information helped China's military missile effort and damaged U.S. national security. (In its defense, the firm says the Loral engineer who faxed the report, Nick Yen, first removed what he believed were sensitive passages, which the firm says indicates he thought all along it was permissible to send the report to the Chinese.)

Now the Justice Department also is investigating whether President Clinton's decision last February granting Loral the right to launch aboard yet another Chinese rocket -- despite an objection from the Justice Department -- was made because Loral CEO Bernard L. Schwartz is the Democratic Party's largest individual donor.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/campfin/stories/rocket061298.htm



Bill Clinton Collected Donations, Then US Missile Tech Shipped To China

Bernard Schwartz donated about $1.5 million to the Democratic Party and Clinton’s 1996 campaign for reelection between 1994 and 1998. Schwartz, who was at the time chairman of Loral Space & Communication Ltd., seems to have used his influence to persuade the Clinton administration to switch the licensing authority for missile exports from the Department of State to the Department of Commerce, as the latter was more vulnerable to political influence.

The Commerce Department subsequently approved Loral’s application for the licenses, prompting the Clinton administration to officially approve the sale of the missile tech to China on May 10, 1999. Clinton pledged in a letter that the export would neither harm national security, nor significantly boost China’s space capabilities.



FLASHBACK: Bill Clinton Collected Donations, Then US Missile Tech Shipped To China | The Daily Caller

Two American aerospace companies damaged U.S. national security when they provided Chinese space engineers with technical rocketry data that could have assisted Beijing's ballistic missile program, a House committee concluded yesterday in a classified 700-page report.

The panel's report is the most comprehensive review so far of evidence that Hughes Electronics Corp. and Loral Space & Communications Ltd. shared sensitive U.S. technologies as they pursued commercial relations in China. The committee's findings appeared to include detailed criticism of the Clinton administration's policy of loosening high-tech export restrictions as a way to promote trade


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/campfin/stories/satellite123198.htm



And THEN:


Obama Loosens Missile Technology Controls to Red China



EXCLUSIVE: Obama loosens missile technology controls to China - Washington Times


"Selling us out to the CHINESE" is a subject the TDS , FAKE NEW LEFT should NEVER BEGIN TO BRING UP....

Stop displaying your mindless jibberish. Bill Clinton is sadly not our President now but he is the most popular ex-President for a reason. I would prefer a chimpanzee to the crime family currently residing in the Whitehouse. No President in history has been surrounded by so much blatant corruption, nepotism and sedition.
 
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This is what the poorer republicans vote for and then defend. I have asked myself why for years. Still no answer.
It leaves some faced with a strange dilemma. Join them in taking advantage of the stupid population, by being just as corrupt as they are (party time!), or fight it and sacrifice just to "break even" in the battle to make the U.S. a better place.

Money and power and rationalize the loss of the soul.
Soul intact but fight a near-losing battle.

All those Evangelicals pushing the apple in the Garden of eden, oblivious to the fact they are taking on the roll of the serpent?
 
It leaves some faced with a strange dilemma. Join them in taking advantage of the stupid population, by being just as corrupt as they are (party time!), or fight it and sacrifice just to "break even" in the battle to make the U.S. a better place.

Money and power and rationalize the loss of the soul.
Soul intact but fight a near-losing battle.

All those Evangelicals pushing the apple in the Garden of eden, oblivious to the fact they are taking on the roll of the serpent?

Amen. I would prefer keeping my soul in as much as one piece as possible before I exit this world and I'm not even a religious person.
 
T. Democrats want to tax and spend and give the country away to the socialists. Without the 'job creators' we would have no economy. er.

Great post!
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Great post!
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Nice cherry picking on your part. Do you happen to have a job writing for fox? You guys complain about fake news but it seems that's all you really believe. Take a few words out of my whole post and use them for your devious purposes, to misrepresent what I actually said. Again, kudos to you for the misrepresentation.
 
Guess who else has known about this from the beginning, gauranteed? The Chinese intelligence services.

Yep.

Just like the Russians had Trump compromised when, during the campaign, he told the American people he had no contact with the Russians.

The question is, would China or Russia take advantage of a compromised American POTUS?
 
I. Join them in taking advantage of the stupid population, t?

Yep!! A trademark of Democrats!
ens justify the means and all that.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4281d72ad525

Gruber has exposed what liberals really think of the American people.

As of this weekend, there are now seven Gruber videos, in which he mocks the “stupidity” of American voters and boasts of the Obama administration’s ability to take advantage of it. In a new video that surfaced Friday, Gruber explains that the Obama administration passed the so-called “Cadillac tax” on high-value employer health plans “by mislabeling it, calling it a tax on insurance plans rather than a tax on people, when we know it’s a tax on people who hold these insurance plans.” Americans would not support a tax on individuals, so “We just tax the insurance companies, they pass on the higher prices . . . it ends up being the same thing.” The ruse, Gruber says, was “a very clever . . . basic exploitation of the lack of economic understanding of the American voter.”

In another video, Gruber boasts about how the Obama administration fooled Americans into paying to cover the uninsured by using sleight of hand, focusing on their concern over rising health costs. “Barack Obama’s not a stupid man, okay? He knew when he was running for president that quite frankly the American public doesn’t actually care that much about the uninsured. . . . What the American public cares about is costs. And that’s why even though the bill that they made is 90 percent health insurance coverage and 10 percent about cost control, all you ever hear people talk about is cost control.”

In yet another video, Gruber says the Obama administration knew the individual mandate was a tax, but that if Americans knew the truth “the bill dies.” So the bill “was written in a tortured way to make sure [the Congressional Budget Office] did not score the mandate as taxes.” He adds that “the lack of transparency is a huge political advantage” and that “the stupidity of the American voter . . . was really, really critical for the thing to pass.”
 
Yep!! A trademark of Democrats!
ens justify the means and all that.

Taking advantage of a subset of the population that is susceptible to political propaganda, is not "ends justify the means". See what I'm saying? You're just fumbling around.

Currently Republicans push the "ends justify the means", in the form of scorched earth politics. Newt Gingrich reinvigorated the modern use of this, Roger Ailes came right out and said it as he maneuvered Fox to be the Republican propaganda arm, and the tea part/freedom caucus nutters live and breath it. Everyone sees this expressed in Hannity and tucker, the White House and Mitch, Jordan and Meadows and Gaetz, etc. Everyone uses such methods but most do so in moderation or in limited fashion.

We hear Trump supporters on this forum, every day all day, claim that Trump does have flaws xyz, but he still "gets things done", so they support him. That's explicitly wast ends justify the means is, it's Republicans that have made this the norm, and have increased it worrisome levels.

Taking advantage of the weak-minded through political propaganda is called Modern Republican politics. *maybe* it could be called "politics" in general.
 
If you've ever had a mortgage, you know that debt can be bought and sold, like any other commodity. Quite often, the originator of your loan sells it to another creditor and you make your payments to the new creditor. This can happen several times over the lifespan of the mortgage. Your obligation is to whomever owns the loan at any given time.

Now, what if ... Russia bought up all of Trump's debt? What if Trump literally owed Russia hundreds of millions of dollars? Is that any of our business? Would it make any difference to you if you knew that the president's ability to pay his business debts to Russia was a factor in his foreign policy decisions?

That is precisely how the organized crime underworld HANDLES debts. Your debt can be bought and sold to any crime boss who wants it, and "the juice" (usury level interest) is kept running, by whoever buys the debt, and is often increased.
 
Yep!! A trademark of Democrats!
ens justify the means and all that.

Thanks, I already knew what Mark Thiessen thinks of the American people, or just PEOPLE in general.
Talk about "ends justifying the means", his one book is a defense of the Torture Memos and "enhanced interrogation methods" used by the CIA under the George W. Bush administration.
Oh, the irony!

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But you know what? The most enduring feature of REPUBLICAN examples of "ends justifying means" in the political arena is the practice of REVANCHISM, or as it is commonly known here....REVENGE.
Revanchist politics often rely on the identification of a nation with a nation state, often mobilizing deep-rooted sentiments of ethnic nationalism.
Hmmmmm...quick, name one group which celebrates notions of a "nation within a nation state"!!

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PS: The origins of "The Affordable Care Act" stem from a blueprint created by the Heritage Foundation and Jonathan Gruber, a numbers wizard at M.I.T., originally helped Mitt Romney overhaul health insurance when he was the Massachusetts governor.

“Romney saw it as a traditional Republican moral issue of personal responsibility, getting rid of the free riders in the system, not as much of an economic issue,” Mr. Gruber said. “Not only were the Republicans for it, the liberals hated it. People forget that.”

The mandate is nothing more than the FREE MARKET acknowledgement that the larger a risk pool is in an insurance program, the better.
That's a bedrock of insurance economics math. Gruber is not an author, but rather, a student and a disciple.

Obama's contribution to the ACA would have been the PUBLIC OPTION, and without it, it's not really "Obamacare".
 
Yep!! A trademark of Democrats!
ends justify the means and all that.

Oh, by the way, isn't Trump actually the king of "ends justifying the means" when it comes to getting his way?
First, he attempted to EO his wall money, then he triggered a government shutdown and then he attempted to declare a national emergency....which by the way just got rebuked in BIPARTISAN FASHION.

Now he's cornered into VETO territory. If that VETO gets overridden, he's out of options, at least in the constitutional sense.
I suppose he could try to start a civil war.

He seems to be fond of the idea of fomenting violence.

"It’s so terrible what’s happening. You know, the left plays a tougher game, it’s very funny. I actually think that the people on the right are tougher, but they don’t play it tougher. Okay? I can tell you, I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad."

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He's threatening violence and civil conflict once again, like a bully in the playground.
If he loses in 2020, is he going to encourage street riots?
Is he pumping up his theatrics from civil war to an all-out coup?

Try to imagine President Obama invoking the Nation of Islam or The New Black Panthers or Black Lives Matter supporting him "in case things got to a certain point." Try to imagine the reaction from the Republicans and Fox News.

The fascist rantings of a terrified coward.
Note to all the "police, military, bikers"...one day soon this coward will be in prison, and then you'll have to justify whatever you do or did to the rest of America.
Let your common sense, not hatred, be your guide.
 
Oh, by the way, isn't Trump actually the king of "ends justifying the means" when it comes to getting his way?
First, he attempted to EO his wall money, then he triggered a government shutdown and then he attempted to declare a national emergency....which by the way just got rebuked in BIPARTISAN FASHION.

Now he's cornered into VETO territory. If that VETO gets overridden, he's out of options, at least in the constitutional sense.
I suppose he could try to start a civil war.

He seems to be fond of the idea of fomenting violence.



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He's threatening violence and civil conflict once again, like a bully in the playground.
If he loses in 2020, is he going to encourage street riots?
Is he pumping up his theatrics from civil war to an all-out coup?

Try to imagine President Obama invoking the Nation of Islam or The New Black Panthers or Black Lives Matter supporting him "in case things got to a certain point." Try to imagine the reaction from the Republicans and Fox News.

The fascist rantings of a terrified coward.
Note to all the "police, military, bikers"...one day soon this coward will be in prison, and then you'll have to justify whatever you do or did to the rest of America.
Let your common sense, not hatred, be your guide.

Yaaaawnnnn….

More LYING about what the President ACTUALLY SAYS:



As for general tensions between conservatives and leftists, Trump observed:


It’s so terrible what’s happening. You know, the left plays a tougher game, it’s very funny. I actually think that the people on the right are tougher, but they don’t play it tougher. Okay? I can tell you, I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad. But the left plays it cuter and tougher.

Asked by Breitbart News Washington Political Editor Matthew Boyle what his advice is to his supporters when they are under attack, Trump replied: “Well, I tell them, I told Covington I love the way they’re doing it. They’re going to teach people a lesson. The [Berkeley] young man that got hit, he’s going to become hopefully a rich man. And he’s suing the university, he’s also suing the wise-guy that did the hitting him.”

After noting that the left plays it “tougher” than the right, Trump said it is “disgraceful” and “terrible.”

“When I see that – what’s going on on college campuses, when I see that young man get punched in the face, when I see that other one with cowbells – you know what I’m – I thought that was disgraceful,” Trump said. “I can’t believe that any one would have let him do that. If I was speaking, I tell you, there’s no way I would have been allowed to just stand there like that and keep trying to make a speech [while] the guy’s ringing a bell right in your face. You can’t even – that was a terrible – Did you see that picture? Did you see? You know what I’m talking about? I thought that was really terrible.”





 
Yaaaawnnnn….

More LYING about what the President ACTUALLY SAYS:



As for general tensions between conservatives and leftists, Trump observed:


It’s so terrible what’s happening. You know, the left plays a tougher game, it’s very funny. I actually think that the people on the right are tougher, but they don’t play it tougher. Okay? I can tell you, I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad. But the left plays it cuter and tougher.

Asked by Breitbart News Washington Political Editor Matthew Boyle what his advice is to his supporters when they are under attack, Trump replied: “Well, I tell them, I told Covington I love the way they’re doing it. They’re going to teach people a lesson. The [Berkeley] young man that got hit, he’s going to become hopefully a rich man. And he’s suing the university, he’s also suing the wise-guy that did the hitting him.”

After noting that the left plays it “tougher” than the right, Trump said it is “disgraceful” and “terrible.”

“When I see that – what’s going on on college campuses, when I see that young man get punched in the face, when I see that other one with cowbells – you know what I’m – I thought that was disgraceful,” Trump said. “I can’t believe that any one would have let him do that. If I was speaking, I tell you, there’s no way I would have been allowed to just stand there like that and keep trying to make a speech [while] the guy’s ringing a bell right in your face. You can’t even – that was a terrible – Did you see that picture? Did you see? You know what I’m talking about? I thought that was really terrible.”






I did read the entire article, so it isn't necessary to copy/paste the whole magilla.
As for the Covington incident, I think that my posts on the story speak for themselves, I did not make any knee jerk reactionary statements.
As for the incident in Berkeley, I have made NO statements whatsoever...therefore citing either incident isn't all that relevant to the subject of the thread NOR relevant to the references made to "ends justifying the means" OR "getting his own way".

MY STATEMENT to those effects merely serve to point out that "what's good for the goose is good for the gander".
Trump devoted an ENTIRE CHAPTER in his book "Think Big" to REVENGE.

When someone devotes an entire chapter in a book to revenge...ohhhhhh I dunno, I am guessing that it means that revenge is a very important concept in their everyday lives and in the way that they deal with people.

So, as I said earlier:
Let your common sense, not hatred, be your guide.
 
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