Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot

[Amelia]

This is Candidate Trump said on Fox on March 9 2016 Its pretty clear he has always planed to recover building cost from Mexico with taxes and fees. Pay attention from 5:00 and on.

You keep pushing that and we'll keep pointing out that a month later he release in writing a statement showing his plan was to collect the money up front and use the threat of taxes and fees as a way to pressure Mexico into making the upfront payment.

His later written statement trumps his earlier freewheeling verbal performance.

https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Pay_for_the_Wall.pdf

 

[Mr Person]

Both sides are dealing in half truths. Trump never said Mexico would write a cheque for the wall but his claim that the USMC is paying for it isnt honest either.

You really think you can fool even one person with that ****....
:lamo

Truth hurts

Truth hurts

Do you really think you scored an Internets Point with that? Sure, you tried to make it snappy. 1/10 on that. But it really doesn't succeed in covering over your idiotically dishonest deflection.

The choir you preach to is shrinking, even if for some unfathomable reason you are incapable of recognizing it.







Ok, regurgitate the next dog turd and once more pat yourself on the back for a job run-away-from.

 

[buck]

This is Candidate Trump said on Fox on March 9 2016 Its pretty clear he has always planed to recover building cost from Mexico with taxes and fees. Pay attention from 5:00 and on.

Thank you. They take short hand (they will pay) and believe that it can only mean one thing despite there being plenty of evidence that it is more. It's similar to how they now claim that Trump lied because he's talking about a gate, or slats or whatever, rather than a wall that he promised. I blame the media for dishonesty - purposeful, I believe.

and I say that as someone who both dislikes Trump (and would vote for any republican over him) and thinks the wall is not a good idea.

 

[Vern]

I thought that it was always known …....

As far as I know.....

Buck, your alive!!! I figured once they shut down the Obamacare forum you didn't have anything to lie for..... er uh I mean live for. anyhoo, I see you're up to your old tricks of "I thought" and "as far as I know". Yep, that's my buck. the point you are obediently ignoring is trump said they would pay for the wall. There is simply no way to spin his documented "one time payment" as anything other than a check or truckloads of cash but yet here you are. You always seem to have a magic definition things. I get to add this to Buck's magic list

"one time payment" equals "slowly collecting money through fees, taxes, something something trade pact"

 

[buck]

You keep pushing that and we'll keep pointing out that a month later he release in writing a statement showing his plan was to collect the money up front and use the threat of taxes and fees as a way to pressure Mexico into making the upfront payment.

His later written statement trumps his earlier freewheeling verbal performance.

From Reuters 2015:

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump would increase fees on some Mexican visas and all border crossing cards as part of a broader plan to force Mexico to pay for a wall along the southern U.S. border.

In a policy paper issued on Sunday, Trump said he would increase fees on temporary visas for Mexican chief executives, diplomats and North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) workers if Mexico does not agree to pay for the wall.

In other words, and something apparently lost on Democrats/media, if mexico doens't pay up front, they will pay later on taxes/fees.

Edited for link:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-immigration-idUSKCN0QL0NN20150816

 

[buck]

Buck, your alive!!! I figured once they shut down the Obamacare forum you didn't have anything to lie for..... er uh I mean live for. anyhoo, I see you're up to your old tricks of "I thought" and "as far as I know". Yep, that's my buck. the point you are obediently ignoring is trump said they would pay for the wall. There is simply no way to spin his documented "one time payment" as anything other than a check or truckloads of cash but yet here you are. You always seem to have a magic definition things. I get to add this to Buck's magic list

"one time payment" equals "slowly collecting money through fees, taxes, something something trade pact"

I enjoy reading your posts to others, as they always make me laugh. But, no interest in responding. I won't even read what you typed here. Sorry

 

[Napoleon]

Buck, your alive!!! I figured once they shut down the Obamacare forum you didn't have anything to lie for..... er uh I mean live for. anyhoo, I see you're up to your old tricks of "I thought" and "as far as I know". Yep, that's my buck. the point you are obediently ignoring is trump said they would pay for the wall. There is simply no way to spin his documented "one time payment" as anything other than a check or truckloads of cash but yet here you are. You always seem to have a magic definition things. I get to add this to Buck's magic list

"one time payment" equals "slowly collecting money through fees, taxes, something something trade pact"

It’s sort of precious watching liberals pretend they care where funding comes from while their progressive darlings are pitching social programs that would cost more USD than even exists.

 

[JMR]

They aren't the ones who were so stupid to pledge to anyone ever that Mexico would ever pay for the wall. The President in a box of his own making and there's no easy way out of it for him now.

Your phrase reminded me of this article from a few days ago: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/05/us/politics/donald-trump-border-wall.html

WASHINGTON — Before it became the chief sticking point in a government shutdown drama that threatens to consume his presidency at a critical moment, President Trump’s promise to build a wall on the southwestern border was a memory trick for an undisciplined candidate.

As Mr. Trump began exploring a presidential run in 2014, his political advisers landed on the idea of a border wall as a mnemonic device of sorts, a way to make sure their candidate — who hated reading from a script but loved boasting about himself and his talents as a builder — would remember to talk about getting tough on immigration, which was to be a signature issue in his nascent campaign.

“How do we get him to continue to talk about immigration?” Sam Nunberg, one of Mr. Trump’s early political advisers, recalled telling Roger J. Stone Jr., another adviser. “We’re going to get him to talk about he’s going to build a wall.”

Talk Mr. Trump did, and the line drew rapturous cheers from conservative audiences, thrilling the candidate and soon becoming a staple of campaign speeches. Chants of “Build the wall!” echoed through arenas throughout the country.

The impasse is particularly remarkable given that even some immigration hard-liners do not regard the wall as their highest priority and fear that Mr. Trump’s preoccupation with it will prompt him to cut a deal that trades a relatively ineffectual measure for major concessions on immigration.

“I’ve always thought it created a danger that he would trade almost anything in order to get the wall — I think that’s still a potential danger,” said Mark Krikorian, the executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, a group that argues for less immigration. “I’m still worried about that now.”

So the government is shut down and we might spend billions on a useless wall because (SURPRISE) Trump likes to brag about himself, and can't remember any words bigger than 4 letters...WALL. And people will twist themselves into pretzels defending him.

 

[Amelia]

From Reuters 2015:





In other words, and something apparently lost on Democrats/media, if mexico doens't pay up front, they will pay later on taxes/fees.

Edited for link:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-immigration-idUSKCN0QL0NN20150816

Okay. Apparently he "evolved". By April 2016, it was that Mexico was going to pay up front, with various threats such as fees available to accomplish the easy task of making them agree to pay for the wall up front.

Trump is lying when he says he never said Mexico would pay for the wall up front. SLC posts something from March 2016. I post Trump's written plan from April 2016. You reach back to August 2015.

Trump's April promise trumps both of the earlier references. The line that he took into the general election was that it would be easy for him to get Mexico to pay for the wall up front.

Now he's lying about having said that. His defenders are dutifully attempting to provide cover. But we have his plan in writing about how he was going to make them pay for it up front.

 

[ElChupacabra]

From Global News

Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot
​

U.S. President Donald Trump is doubling down on claims that Mexico was paying for the proposed border wall between their two countries, saying he “never meant they’re going to write out a cheque.”

Trump reiterated his claim that Mexico is paying for the wall via the new, un-ratified Canada-U.S.-Mexico Trade Agreement (CUSMA) while speaking to reporters at the White House before visiting the Texas border town of McAllen on the 20th day of a partial government shutdown.

Trump has held out for $5.7 billion in partial wall funding during talks with congressional leaders to reopen the government. Democrats have held steadfast in their opposition to providing any money for a border wall.

...

In fact, in October 2016, during the height of the 2016 presidential campaign, Trump released a document called “Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter,” in which he said Mexico would “reimburse” the U.S. for the “full cost of the wall.”

In a separate plan presented to the Washington Post during the campaign, he suggested he would cut off access for Mexican immigrants who send money home to their families until Mexico made a “one-time payment” of billions of dollars for the wall. (The plan was regarded as likely illegal, the Washington Post reported.)

COMMENT:-

It's perfectly obvious that when Mr. Trump said "pay" he didn't mean "pay" but rather he meant "pay" that that when he said "one time payment" he didn't mean "write a cheque" he meant "will send several boxcars full of cash".

On the other hand, can we REALLY be sure that the so-called "Donald Trump" that was campaigning is the same person as the so-called "Donald Trump" who is currently purporting to be the President of the United States of America? Isn't **T*H*E** **T*R*U*T*H** that the so-called "Donald Trump" you see/hear today is actually a mind-controlled doppelganger that is being operated by the Deep State for the benefit of their Lizard People masters?
​

:lamo

That
is
rich.

He also said they would be "happy to pay for it". That should imply they're going to be paying directly some how because I don't see how you're happy to pay something indirectly. This is when rhetoric comes back and bites you. I can't wait to hear the spin on this.

opcorn2:

 

[Napoleon]

From Global News

Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot
​

U.S. President Donald Trump is doubling down on claims that Mexico was paying for the proposed border wall between their two countries, saying he “never meant they’re going to write out a cheque.”

Trump reiterated his claim that Mexico is paying for the wall via the new, un-ratified Canada-U.S.-Mexico Trade Agreement (CUSMA) while speaking to reporters at the White House before visiting the Texas border town of McAllen on the 20th day of a partial government shutdown.

Trump has held out for $5.7 billion in partial wall funding during talks with congressional leaders to reopen the government. Democrats have held steadfast in their opposition to providing any money for a border wall.

...

In fact, in October 2016, during the height of the 2016 presidential campaign, Trump released a document called “Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter,” in which he said Mexico would “reimburse” the U.S. for the “full cost of the wall.”

In a separate plan presented to the Washington Post during the campaign, he suggested he would cut off access for Mexican immigrants who send money home to their families until Mexico made a “one-time payment” of billions of dollars for the wall. (The plan was regarded as likely illegal, the Washington Post reported.)

COMMENT:-

It's perfectly obvious that when Mr. Trump said "pay" he didn't mean "pay" but rather he meant "pay" that that when he said "one time payment" he didn't mean "write a cheque" he meant "will send several boxcars full of cash".

On the other hand, can we REALLY be sure that the so-called "Donald Trump" that was campaigning is the same person as the so-called "Donald Trump" who is currently purporting to be the President of the United States of America? Isn't **T*H*E** **T*R*U*T*H** that the so-called "Donald Trump" you see/hear today is actually a mind-controlled doppelganger that is being operated by the Deep State for the benefit of their Lizard People masters?
​

Or it could just be that you don’t know what reimbursement means.

 

[Lursa]

Or it could just be that you don’t know what reimbursement means.

He's had 2 yrs to get the $ from Mexico. Where is it?

So then it's still coming out of our pockets and he's no closer to getting anything from Mexico.

Would you go with "the $5 billion check is in the mail" if it was your money or your construction? (If so, I have some lovely oceanfront property in Kansas for you.)

 

[SLC]

Nobody is stopping Mexico from paying for the wall. That was his pledge.

You would shot a man in his leg and blame him for limping. :lol:

 

[Napoleon]

He's had 2 yrs to get the $ from Mexico. Where is it?

So then it's still coming out of our pockets and he's no closer to getting anything from Mexico.

Would you go with "the $5 billion check is in the mail" if it was your money or your construction? (If so, I have some lovely oceanfront property in Kansas for you.)

Reimbursement requires that you incur an expense. It doesn’t mean that someone just hands you money for no reason.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Both sides are dealing in half truths. Trump never said Mexico would write a cheque for the wall but his claim that the USMC is paying for it isnt honest either.

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No, but no one is claiming he said that either. What's being challenged is the very idea that Mexico would pay some how, and since he stated they would be "happy" to pay for it that indicates some type of direct payment. I get that it's rhetoric, but this is a major screw up. I could understand if he had a plan to make Mexico pay and it failed, but this has the sound of rhetoric with no basis in reality. That was pretty clear when Mexico publicly told him to pound sand and the back plan was to come with hat in hand to US tax payers.

 

[Rogue Valley]

He's had 2 yrs to get the $ from Mexico. Where is it?

Trump didn't need his Wall distraction until the day after he lost his ass in the midterms.

Coincidence I'm sure.

 

[Vern]

I enjoy reading your posts to others, as they always make me laugh. But, no interest in responding. I won't even read what you typed here. Sorry

wow buck, I feel bad. You're clearly alive but seemed to have lost your gusto for dishonest deflecting and obfuscating. And you could dishonestly deflect and obfuscate with the best of them. As far as I know this means you don't have long to live.

 

[SLC]

:lamo

That
is
rich.

He also said they would be "happy to pay for it". That should imply they're going to be paying directly some how because I don't see how you're happy to pay something indirectly. This is when rhetoric comes back and bites you. I can't wait to hear the spin on this.

opcorn2:

They were happy to sign the new trade agreement. They even signed it before Canada signed it.

 

[Bodi]

From Global News

Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot
​

U.S. President Donald Trump is doubling down on claims that Mexico was paying for the proposed border wall between their two countries, saying he “never meant they’re going to write out a cheque.”

Trump reiterated his claim that Mexico is paying for the wall via the new, un-ratified Canada-U.S.-Mexico Trade Agreement (CUSMA) while speaking to reporters at the White House before visiting the Texas border town of McAllen on the 20th day of a partial government shutdown.

Trump has held out for $5.7 billion in partial wall funding during talks with congressional leaders to reopen the government. Democrats have held steadfast in their opposition to providing any money for a border wall.

...

In fact, in October 2016, during the height of the 2016 presidential campaign, Trump released a document called “Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter,” in which he said Mexico would “reimburse” the U.S. for the “full cost of the wall.”

In a separate plan presented to the Washington Post during the campaign, he suggested he would cut off access for Mexican immigrants who send money home to their families until Mexico made a “one-time payment” of billions of dollars for the wall. (The plan was regarded as likely illegal, the Washington Post reported.)

COMMENT:-

It's perfectly obvious that when Mr. Trump said "pay" he didn't mean "pay" but rather he meant "pay" that that when he said "one time payment" he didn't mean "write a cheque" he meant "will send several boxcars full of cash".

On the other hand, can we REALLY be sure that the so-called "Donald Trump" that was campaigning is the same person as the so-called "Donald Trump" who is currently purporting to be the President of the United States of America? Isn't **T*H*E** **T*R*U*T*H** that the so-called "Donald Trump" you see/hear today is actually a mind-controlled doppelganger that is being operated by the Deep State for the benefit of their Lizard People masters?
​

All he is doing here is clarifying for all the Trump Haters and Liars out there who can't understand a simple ****ing idea...

 

[buck]

Okay. Apparently he "evolved". By April 2016, it was that Mexico was going to pay up front, with various threats such as fees available to accomplish the easy task of making them agree to pay for the wall up front.

Trump is lying when he says he never said Mexico would pay for the wall up front. SLC posts something from March 2016. I post Trump's written plan from April 2016. You reach back to August 2015.

Trump's April promise trumps both of the earlier references. The line that he took into the general election was that it would be easy for him to get Mexico to pay for the wall up front.

Now he's lying about having said that. His defenders are dutifully attempting to provide cover. But we have his plan in writing about how he was going to make them pay for it up front.

No, evolution. It's a (purposeful?) misunderstanding by the media. Even the "paper" you linked to indicated the same. He believed that Mexico wold pay for the wall rather than paying all these increased fees, but those increased fees will pay for the wall if not. From the "policy paper" you linked to:

Visa fees: Even a small increase in visa fees would pay for the wall. This
includes fees on border crossing cards, of which more than 1 million are
issued a year.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Reimbursement requires that you incur an expense. It doesn’t mean that someone just hands you money for no reason.

It's a shame he didn't pitch it that way though. It seems like an important part of a plan. Even if I like the project, I'd like to know that I'm going to have to pay for it first and get my money later. So a fair amount of time passes during which a GOP Congress isn't used to get this through. Now all of the sudden it's an emergency and everyone else is to blame.

 

[Bodi]

Nope only your side is dealing in half truths:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/10/politics/trump-mexico-pay-wall/index.html

Trump is dealing in half truths...

Dems and Trump Haters are dealing in flat out lies...

 

[ataraxia]

The difference is that Obama knows about ladders, and thus he wasn't proposing building a $5b vanity wall. I've noticed a lot of the Trump base either haven't heard of them, or don't understand how they work, so this will help them:

Wait. I can't believe this video is real. I don't care if it says so at the end. No way it's real.

 

[ataraxia]

Trump is dealing in half truths...

Dems and Trump Haters are dealing in flat out lies...

So Trump U was only HALF as good as Harvard? :lamo

 

[ElChupacabra]

They were happy to sign the new trade agreement. They even signed it before Canada signed it.

That has nothing to do with paying for the wall. Also, the treaty has to be approved by Congress so nothing is set in stone yet; and there are no earmarks for the wall in the agreement with Mexico.