Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot

[What if...?]

Of course it's true, just like this:

And all the right wing's Communications teams said "****!" In unison when he said that.

But so far their conditioning has held...

 

[EnigmaO01]

Your P/M Trudeau doesn't attempt to fulfill his campaign promises to his base so he can declare victory?

Oh Dear God you're comparing Trump to Trudeau? :lamo :lamo :lamo

Trump doesn't make a pimple on Trudeau's ass even though Trudeau isn't something to write home about either.

 

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I thought that it was always known that Mexico wasn't going to write a check and instead it would be through other means, such as reduced aid to Mexico or taxes/fees on money being sent back to Mexico. I posted that her a long ass time ago, in a conversation about having mexico pay for it through money transfer fees.

And why do you think people who snuck themselves across the border won't still he able to send money BACK over again?

Won't they just send money orders from 7-11 by mail? Or drone, for that matter?

Maybe on the return trips for the carts that the cocaine rode over on?

Do you ever think these things through?

 

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I agree I remembering watching an interview when pressed on how will Mexico will pay for it his response was there new trades and mention indirectly, but the media only covers the campaign trail rhetoric and I cant seem to find it in google search, but such is par for the course. Dems just keep trying to beat that straw man they created.

But won't trade deal money just end up as profits?

With taxpayers still footing the bill?

 

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Typical Democratic tactics. 1.) Create words Trump never said: "boxcars of cash" and then 2.) rant about their own false words.

Tariffs and restrictions against Mexico pays for the wall and more. Anyone who says they "bought a house" didn't mean a truck full of cash. It meant long term financing on a house. Mexico will ultimately pay for the wall and far more thru the new trade agreement.

Please explain how.

Seriously.

How money goes from Mexico into the federal coffers to pay for a wall through trade mechanisms.

Consumers pay for tariffs, for instance.

I'm not seeing the mechanism.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

How "formidable" a barrier is really depends on how deeply the person is motivated to bypass it, doesn't it?

Exactly. Just a simple chain link fence with a sign on it that says US border no trespassing is all that is necessary for law abiding people. Maybe a phone number or directions to a place to legally cross gets the job done. These are the people we want entering our country, to visit, work, play, or even immigrate. These are the people that make this country great.


Then you have the loser who could care less about legal or illegal. They just jump the fence with no regard for our laws or the people of this country who make the laws. For these people you need the 30' wall with the concertina wire and border patrol agents. They look at the difficulty and figure it is not worth it or look for easier access. These people we don't want or need in our country.

Then you have lawless criminal with no respect at all for anyone or anything. These are the real danger. They are the evil people who plot and plan to do whatever they want and to hell with the law and anyone who gets in their way. These are the people who will tunnel under the wall, will dismantle a section of it, etc. These are the low life losers who kill, rape, and pillage. They will do anything without regard for consequences. They need to be stopped at all cost. I personally think a military sniper and a well placed round is the best solution for this character.

 

[Conservative]

Please explain how.

Seriously.

How money goes from Mexico into the federal coffers to pay for a wall through trade mechanisms.

Consumers pay for tariffs, for instance.

I'm not seeing the mechanism.

Is there any difference between this and higher taxes on corporations?? Don't the consumers pay those taxes as well so when you raise taxes on corporations prices go up and people pay them?

Anyway, what wall? How can Mexico pay for a wall that isn't authorized?

 

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Is there any difference between this and higher taxes on corporations?? Don't the consumers pay those taxes as well so when you raise taxes on corporations prices go up and people pay them?

Anyway, what wall? How can Mexico pay for a wall that isn't authorized?

Doesn't that just mean corporations have us by the balls?

And also mean you just admitted that Mexico ISN'T actually gonna pay for trumps wall?

 

[EnigmaO01]

I suppose Obama never said "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor"?

Do you know anyone that couldn't? I sure don't. But I have known of people that were denied a doctor because he was not in a particular network. That's been going on longer than the PPACA came around.

So stop the bull**** O.K.?

 

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Is there any difference between this and higher taxes on corporations?? Don't the consumers pay those taxes as well so when you raise taxes on corporations prices go up and people pay them?

Anyway, what wall? How can Mexico pay for a wall that isn't authorized?

They could build it themsleves on their side.

 

[EnigmaO01]

Both sides are dealing in half truths. Trump never said Mexico would write a cheque for the wall but his claim that the USMC is paying for it isnt honest either.
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Dude your enabling of the biggest douchebag president in history is no better than this woman.

 

[Conservative]

Doesn't that just mean corporations have us by the balls?

And also mean you just admitted that Mexico ISN'T actually gonna pay for trumps wall?

Only if you believe employment by corporations is a problem. So if Mexico sent us a check for the wall you would support it?? There are many ways Mexico can pay for the wall but there isn't one so Trump loses to you by not keeping his promise of a wall, right/

 

[Conservative]

They could build it themsleves on their side.

why would they do that, they benefit as do Democrats from no wall

 

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why would they do that, they benefit as do Democrats from no wall

I thought they were paying for the wall. Can't they take all the land from Mexicans too?

 

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Only if you believe employment by corporations is a problem. So if Mexico sent us a check for the wall you would support it?? There are many ways Mexico can pay for the wall but there isn't one so Trump loses to you by not keeping his promise of a wall, right/

You have to explain how Mexico actually pays instead of taxpayers.

You haven't done that yet.

I don't believe it is possible, but if I never have to pay a dime, ever?

Do whatever you want.

 

[Conservative]

You have to explain how Mexico actually pays instead of taxpayers.

You haven't done that yet.

I don't believe it is possible, but if I never have to pay a dime, ever?

Do whatever you want.

We will never know will we since there is no wall? If you want to hold Trump accountable for a promise broken then Give him The wall. What are you afraid of, but the wall will work and cut illegal immigration cost?

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We will never know will we since there is no wall? If you want to hold Trump accountable for a promise broken then Give him The wall. What are you afraid of, but the wall will work and cut illegal immigration cost?

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Get back to me when your side even criticizes those who hire illegals, much less pursues them.

And I asked how Mexico would pay for the wall, itself. The path by which the money would be harvested to pay for the wall.

First. Before he gets his wall. Or in direct installments.

I don't want to hear any vacuous dissembling about anything. Simple math. No voodoo economics.

Because I'm.pretty sure you can't do that.

You haven't yet. You have tried to turn the conversation away from my question.

You have not answered it.

 

[Conservative]

Get back to me when your side even criticizes those who hire illegals, much less pursues them.

And I asked how Mexico would pay for the wall, itself. The path by which the money would be harvested to pay for the wall.

First. Before he gets his wall. Or in direct installments.

I don't want to hear any vacuous dissembling about anything. Simple math. No voodoo economics.

Because I'm.pretty sure you can't do that.

You haven't yet. You have tried to turn the conversation away from my question.

You have not answered it.

You lefties won't give up will you, you think Republicans benefit from illegals? Get back to me when you support the wall and I will blame Trump if Mexico doesn't pay for it then celebrate when the dike is plugged and costs for illegal immigration drops helping lower the deficit and debt? Amazing isn't it how the largest blue state in the country gave Hillary a 4 million vote win, allows for sanctuary cities, illegals to have a valid driver's license yet you blame business. That is nothing but partisanship on your part and turning a blind eye to what the Democratic Party has done

 

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And why do you think people who snuck themselves across the border won't still he able to send money BACK over again?

Won't they just send money orders from 7-11 by mail? Or drone, for that matter?

Maybe on the return trips for the carts that the cocaine rode over on?

Do you ever think these things through?

Earlier in the conversation, I stated that I didn't think the wall was a great idea.. However, you seem to be indicating if it won't be 100% successful, why bother trying.

Not all criminals are caught and many get away every day. So why have laws at all?

 

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We will never know will we since there is no wall? If you want to hold Trump accountable for a promise broken then Give him The wall. What are you afraid of, but the wall will work and cut illegal immigration cost?

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No, I'm afraid of dumping hundreds of billions more in debt onto my grandchildren with little benefit.

 

[Deuce]

You lefties won't give up will you, you think Republicans benefit from illegals? Get back to me when you support the wall and I will blame Trump if Mexico doesn't pay for it then celebrate when the dike is plugged and costs for illegal immigration drops helping lower the deficit and debt? Amazing isn't it how the largest blue state in the country gave Hillary a 4 million vote win, allows for sanctuary cities, illegals to have a valid driver's license yet you blame business. That is nothing but partisanship on your part and turning a blind eye to what the Democratic Party has done

I'm against the wall because it will be wasteful. Improving border security can be done better, for cheaper. You don't want that. Why? I know why Trump wants the wall. He wants a vanity project, something permanent to put his name on. But you? What do you get from such waste?

 

[Lursa]

I am not disputing what you wrote. I am saying we need different barriers and security in different areas of our border. A wall does not work along our coast lines.

That's off topic. The title of the thread is "Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot"

And a wall (now it's a 'barrier') is what that $5.7 payment from Mexico is supposed to be for.

This is the discussion.

 

[Lursa]

We will never know will we since there is no wall? If you want to hold Trump accountable for a promise broken then Give him The wall. What are you afraid of, but the wall will work and cut illegal immigration cost?

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You mean, like paying the contractor building an extension on your house in advance and then seeing what happens?

:lamo

And we get criticized for making comments on the intelligence of The Donald's followers :roll:

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Oh Dear God you're comparing Trump to Trudeau? :lamo :lamo :lamo

Trump doesn't make a pimple on Trudeau's ass even though Trudeau isn't something to write home about either.

The difference is that Canadians who support Mr. Trudeau know when Mr. Trudeau is lying (and admit it) and Americans who support Mr. Trump don't know when Mr. Trump is lying (and don't admit it when they do).

 

[Conservative]

No, I'm afraid of dumping hundreds of billions more in debt onto my grandchildren with little benefit.

Where is that "HUNDREDS of BILLIONS"coming from? This truly is embarrassing that so many including you are so poorly informed. 5 billion dollars will re-open the govt. and couldn't care less whether or not Mexico pays for it for the cost of illegals is somewhere between 50 and 300 billion a year annually so cutting that expense is the goal and if it doesn't work then you truly have something to blame Trump for not speculation and media tabloid politics