Trump says D's voter turnout bad for R's

[marke]

We have had Dozens, including by trump, once again you dont have a clue...

Report: Trump commission did not find widespread voter fraud

Good news for democrats! The Trump commission found no voter fraud because the democrats and leftist republicans shut them down before they could even begin investigating!

 

[Lisa]

Some have been prosecuted and people have gone to prison, but never the big cases with the big numbers. Democrats will fight to the death to keep those cases from being investigated. Democrats do not want photo IDs because that makes it very hard for voters to vote often or illegally.

The fact that the GOP continually claims that vote fraud is a major issue or the idea that you believe their obvious lies does not mean that it is true. There have never been those big numbers that Republicans claim because they do not exist. Proven and prosecuted vote fraud is on the level of less than one or two cases per ten million votes cast. If you know anything about statistics you cannot properly address that small amount of vote fraud because there isn't a repeatable and predictable pattern that can be addressed with a policy so any attempt to prevent that infinitesimally small amount of fraud from happening would disenfranchise many more people from voting, which is unconstitutional because voting is a constitutional right as defined by multiple constitutional amendments such as the 15th, 19th. and 26th, plus the Voting Rights Act. The amount of vote fraud will never be zero because it is impossible to control the process that tightly when there are hundreds of millions of eligible voters and votes cast. You would know this if you had any knowledge of statistics and statistical process control such as 6-Sigma or ISO 9001. Your ignorance and gullibility that is driven by beliefs and emotions instead of acquiring facts is your biggest problem.

 

[marke]

The fact that the GOP continually claims that vote fraud is a major issue or the idea that you believe their obvious lies does not mean that it is true. There have never been those big numbers that Republicans claim because they do not exist. Proven and prosecuted vote fraud is on the level of less than one or two cases per ten million votes cast. If you know anything about statistics you cannot properly address that small amount of vote fraud because there isn't a repeatable and predictable pattern that can be addressed with a policy so any attempt to prevent that infinitesimally small amount of fraud from happening would disenfranchise many more people from voting, which is unconstitutional because voting is a constitutional right as defined by multiple constitutional amendments such as the 15th, 19th. and 26th, plus the Voting Rights Act. The amount of vote fraud will never be zero because it is impossible to control the process that tightly when there are hundreds of millions of eligible voters and votes cast. You would know this if you had any knowledge of statistics and statistical process control such as 6-Sigma or ISO 9001. Your ignorance and gullibility that is driven by beliefs and emotions instead of acquiring facts is your biggest problem.

What you don't seem to realize and refuse to even admit the possibility of is that massive voter fraud is going on and the ignorant are simply unaware of it. However, devout democrats would rather remain ignorant than allow serious investigators to do deep investigations into the cases where the rumors of fraud represent the largest number of illegal votes.

 

[Master Debator]

What you don't seem to realize and refuse to even admit the possibility of is that massive voter fraud is going on and the ignorant are simply unaware of it. However, devout democrats would rather remain ignorant than allow serious investigators to do deep investigations into the cases where the rumors of fraud represent the largest number of illegal votes.

Yeah! How dare none of you believe something that I can't even prove is real!

:lamo

 

[Hawkeye10]

Yeah! How dare none of you believe something that I can't even prove is real!

:lamo

Those who believe only what they can prove to others are real swine.

Nobody sane gives away their power like that.

 

[Luther]

I think the point is we should all be weary of the party that doesn't want more Americans to have a say in the running of our government. But its not surprising Republicans believe in power over democracy. That was pretty much a given.

I think the point is we should all be weary of the party that doesn't want more Americans to have a say in the running of our government.

And what is stopping people from voting now Master?

 

[Master Debator]

Those who believe only what they can prove to others are real swine.

Nobody sane gives away their power like that.

No one sane complaining about a supposed societal ill would prove its existence in an effort to solve it? That makes no sense. That's what happens when you think talking like a fortune cookie makes you seem smart. :lamo

 

[Hawkeye10]

No one sane complaining about a supposed societal ill would prove its existence in an effort to solve it? That makes no sense. That's what happens when you think talking like a fortune cookie makes you seem smart. :lamo

Makes no sense to YOU....it is the "you" that is operative.

jsyk

 

[Luther]

The article says she asked for no-excuse mail in ballots and two weeks early voting, what are the cons afraid of?

He admitted that voter suppression is to favor cons keeping power.

Who knew? :doh

I thought states set voter rules?

 

[Luther]

Anecdotal evidence of the opposite: I've run a local precinct in an area heavy with illegal immigrants, and don't recall one voter who looks like a suspect as an illegal immigrant.

You're correct

They're getting all they want by NOT voting$$$$

 

[Luther]

Because illegal aliens- they are not allowed but dems want crime apparently

Illegal aliens?

I think the real fear/threat is the majority vain American citizenry that does vote

 

[Luther]

I dare you to empirically prove that illegal aliens vote in any significant amount? Why would someone who is in the country illegally take the h great risk of voting when they would be sent back home and not permitted to return when there is no concrete benefit to them voting? We cannot manage to convince our own citizens to reliably vote in more than 75% of the time.

Anyone who has a working knowledge of statistics or statistical process controls of production knows that the Republican claims of massive voter fraud are laughable. The large tech and aircraft industries such as Motorola, IBM, Intel, AMD, GE, General Dynamics and Boeing invest millions of dollars every year in statistical process control and 6 Sigma education and they still cannot get process failure numbers that are close to our vote fraud numbers.

Why would someone who is in the country illegally take the h great risk of voting when they would be sent back home and not permitted to return when there is no concrete benefit to them voting?

You're correct

Illegal aliens are getting what they want by NOT voting

$$$$$

 

[Luther]

I dare you to prove that lie happens in states that have mail-in voting as standard practice.


Put up or shut up. :2wave:

Did you notice that it's a state rights kind of thing Lisa?

Five states currently conduct all elections entirely by mail: Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington and Utah.

 

[Master Debator]

And what is stopping people from voting now Master?

Restrictions on what I.D.s can be used, rejection of those applications on specious grounds, closing locations to obtain I.D.s, closing polling places where minorities vote, none which actually matters to the GOP because the president just flat out admitted they want fewer people to vote.

Makes no sense to YOU....it is the "you" that is operative.

jsyk

Or anyone else that bases their judgment on empirical evidence rather than of the hopes and dreams of the GOP.

Whatever should people just take your word for?

 

[Hawkeye10]

Restrictions on what I.D.s can be used, rejection of those applications on specious grounds, closing locations to obtain I.D.s, closing polling places where minorities vote, none which actually matters to the GOP because the president just flat out admitted they want fewer people to vote.



Or anyone else that bases their judgment on empirical evidence rather than of the hopes and dreams of the GOP.

Whatever should people just take your word for?

We Zennists know a Hell of a lot more than you seem to.

 

[Luther]

Restrictions on what I.D.s can be used, rejection of those applications on specious grounds, closing locations to obtain I.D.s, closing polling places where minorities vote, none which actually matters to the GOP because the president just flat out admitted they want fewer people to vote.



Or anyone else that bases their judgment on empirical evidence rather than of the hopes and dreams of the GOP.

Whatever should people just take your word for?

Restrictions on what I.D.s can be used,

And whats stopping them?

closing polling places where minorities vote,

Due to what reason?

Do they ever close polling stations where majorities vote?

 

[Master Debator]

And whats stopping them?

Due to what reason?

Do they ever close polling stations where majorities vote?

The history of southern conservatives denying minorities the right to vote isn't something we have to re-litigate is it? You're not the equivalent of a holocaust denier are you? Its not really surprising then that hours after the supreme court struck down protections of the voting rights act(legislation designed to protect minority voting rights from racist segregationist,southern conservatives)former confederate states and states controlled by conservatives moved to amend their states voting laws. But I suppose that's just coincidence.

Voter-Suppression Tactics in the Age of Trump | The New Yorker

We Zennists know a Hell of a lot more than you seem to.

Sure buddy. Is this one of those things the rest of us are just supposed to take your word on? :blink:

 

[Luther]

The history of southern conservatives denying minorities the right to vote isn't something we have to re-litigate is it? You're not the equivalent of a holocaust denier are you? Its not really surprising then that hours after the supreme court struck down protections of the voting rights act(legislation designed to protect minority voting rights from racist segregationist,southern conservatives)former confederate states and states controlled by conservatives moved to amend their states voting laws. But I suppose that's just coincidence.

Voter-Suppression Tactics in the Age of Trump | The New Yorker



Sure buddy. Is this one of those things the rest of us are just supposed to take your word on? :blink:

The history of southern conservatives

When they were DEMOCRATS?(LOL)

 

[Master Debator]

When they were DEMOCRATS?(LOL)

That's not a counter, its a snide remark that isn't even accurate. A majority of Democrats voted to pass the voting rights act and it was signed into law by a democratic president. Southern Republicans and Southern democrats on the other hand mostly all voted against the voting rights act. In fact the only two representatives from the south who voted in favor of the voting rights act were both democrats. Zero southern Republicans voted in favor of it. Southern conservatism just like Northern liberalism existed in both parties and Americans were more divided at the time by region than political parties. You should be embarrassed a first generation immigrant knows your country's history better than you do. But keep underachieving, stupid and docile is how we want you.

:thumbs:

 

[marke]

Yeah! How dare none of you believe something that I can't even prove is real!

:lamo

Nobody can prove a murder either if the mob obstructs and/or prevents any and all investigations. Nobody can prove voter fraud where the crooks have and exercise the power to shut down any and all investigations into the fraud.

The real reason democrats do not want voter IDs is because voter IDs are protections against voter fraud. They say it is because of the inability and incompetence of blacks to get IDs that they oppose voter protections but that has proven to be a huge disrespectful racist lie.

 

[Master Debator]

Nobody can prove a murder either if the mob obstructs and/or prevents any and all investigations. Nobody can prove voter fraud where the crooks have and exercise the power to shut down any and all investigations into the fraud.

Forget proving a murder, you can't even prove a crime. You don't even have a body. And let's examine your scenario, what should be done in the case of murders you can't prove? Lock people up anyway?

:blink:

 

[Master Debator]

The real reason democrats do not want voter IDs is because voter IDs are protections against voter fraud. They say it is because of the inability and incompetence of blacks to get IDs that they oppose voter protections but that has proven to be a huge disrespectful racist lie.

This must be another one of those things you've "proven" without any evidence seeing as the black community says the exact opposite and opposes all republican attempts at voter restrictions.

 

[marke]

Forget proving a murder, you can't even prove a crime. You don't even have a body. And let's examine your scenario, what should be done in the case of murders you can't prove? Lock people up anyway?

:blink:

If the mob stops investigators from investigating then you are right, the investigators will not uncover the voter fraud which has been occurring on a regular basis for the last 40 years and more, some years worse than others. Voter fraud is all democrats have got to defeat Trump now that all their other schemes fell apart. But not to worry. George Soros owns the company which has supplied the unreliable post-programmable voting machines scheduled to be used in high democrat areas in the coming election.

 

[Luther]

That's not a counter, its a snide remark that isn't even accurate. A majority of Democrats voted to pass the voting rights act and it was signed into law by a democratic president. Southern Republicans and Southern democrats on the other hand mostly all voted against the voting rights act. In fact the only two representatives from the south who voted in favor of the voting rights act were both democrats. Zero southern Republicans voted in favor of it. Southern conservatism just like Northern liberalism existed in both parties and Americans were more divided at the time by region than political parties. You should be embarrassed a first generation immigrant knows your country's history better than you do. But keep underachieving, stupid and docile is how we want you.

:thumbs:

About this?

Do the same voting requirements apply to both the southern conservative and minority like ID?

 

[Master Debator]

About this?

Do the same voting requirements apply to both the southern conservative and minority like ID?

Blacks have heard that one before. Do laws apply equally to blacks and whites in this country? Things aren't that simple. As with the war on drugs we see the penalties for a drug whites use more have smaller sentences than the same drug in a different form that blacks used more. And as I belive Lisa pointed out earlier(forgive me if I got that poster wrong) but she linked to a news article showing republican states rejecting I.D.s that are more frequently and easily obtained for some black communities.

Again Luther, if you want to feign ignorance or play dumb, I'll oblige. I agree, you're a moron. Thats the only move you ridiculous Republicans have left yourselves. The facts don't agree with you. You talk about blacks as if they aren't individuals with their own opinions and as a community they resoundingly reject you. The only move you've left yourselves is to pretend you're too stupid to notice.

So what is it Luther? Do you not notice the lack of black voices agreeing with you are you just that stupid?

:shrug: