Trump pulls out of the Iran Deal.

[ecofarm]

Saudi Arabia is the ideological birthplace of Wahhabism, a strain of radical fundamentalist Islam that has provided the inspiration for terrorist groups in the Middle East.

I'm not denying its existence. It's not government policy. In Iran, 'death to America' is government policy, news, education, a heart of propaganda perpetuating tyranny. Think Iran's private citizens are better than SA? So it's called 'director of intel' instead of prince. A distinction without a difference in tyranny.

 

[MaggieD]

Um. Renae?

What Tdrump's move on Iran means for the US and the world - CNNPolitics

"President Donald Trump will not kill the Iran nuclear deal on Friday."

He's punting this issue over to Congress.

Im not sure punting is the right word. Congress passed the legislation that required the Prez tomrecertify every year. He put it in their purview. Ordered more thorough investigation re their compliance. And said, depending on how much MORE info is uncovered, if Congress doesn’t act? He most certainly will.

That’s what he promised. That’s what he did.

 

[MaggieD]

But the total lack of leadership lies with Trump. Tillerson was right, he's a F'ing MORON.

Nope. And nope. And nope.

 

[Phys251]

The deal is completely irrelevant to either of those issues

Are you kidding me? Do you not remember the "all options are on the table" debate point of the 2012 (yes, 2012) election? Or maybe you've forgotten how diplomacy works.

 

[Crovax]

Are you kidding me? Do you not remember the "all options are on the table" debate point of the 2012 (yes, 2012) election? Or maybe you've forgotten how diplomacy works.

And you somehow think a peice of paper will stop Iran from making a nuke should they want to?

 

[iguanaman]

Im not sure punting is the right word. Congress passed the legislation that required the Prez tomrecertify every year. He put it in their purview. Ordered more thorough investigation re their compliance. And said, depending on how much MORE info is uncovered, if Congress doesn’t act? He most certainly will.

That’s what he promised. That’s what he did.

Trump cannot re-apply sanctions on his own. He's done with this. The next move is up to Iran. If the radicals there regain power they will withdraw from the agreement and restart their nuclear program. Trump just gave Iran more reasons not to trust us and added steam to the radicals cause. It is just Trump being a moron again. It amazes me how many like minds are out there.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

The Contras were not supported to be terrorists. They were supported against terrorists. That it went sideways is anyone's fault.

Two private human rights organizations issued reports this week charging the contras , as the Nicaraguan rebels are commonly called, with a pattern of attacks on civilians, including murder, torture and rape. Democrats in Congress said they will use the charges to fight the Administration's request for renewed U.S. aid for the rebels .

Rights Groups Accuse Contras : Atrocities in Nicaragua Against Civilians Charged - latimes

The SA government does not sponsor terrorists.

Do Iranian terrorists attack the U.S. and Europe with suicide bombs and mass shootings? No

Do Iranians believe in the same extreme interpretation of Islam as Al Qaeda and ISIS? No

Do the Saudis teach and spread an extreme fundamentalist interpretation of Islam? Yes

Are there Jews living and practicing in Saudi Arabia like there are in Iran? No. It's illegal.

How extreme can Iran be if they allow Jews to live their country?

Saudi Arabia—not Iran—is the biggest state sponsor of terrorism in the world today and Wahhabism remains the source of most radical Islamic extremism. For years Iran has borne the unenviable title of “world’s biggest state sponsor of terrorism.” However, out of the 61 groups that are designated as terrorist organizations by the U.S. State Department, the overwhelming majority are Wahhabi-inspired and Saudi-funded groups, with a focus on the West and Iran as their primary enemy. Only two are Shi’a—Hezbollah and Kataib Hezbollah, and only four have ever claimed to receive support from Iran. Nearly all of the Sunni militant groups listed receive significant support from either the Saudi government or Saudi citizens.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...nsor-of-terrorism_us_58cafc26e4b00705db4da8aa

 

[MaggieD]

Trump cannot re-apply sanctions on his own. He's done with this. The next move is up to Iran. If the radicals there regain power they will withdraw from the agreement and restart their nuclear program. Trump just gave Iran more reasons not to trust us and added steam to the radicals cause. It is just Trump being a moron again. It amazes me how many like minds are out there.

All he did was not recertification them. Congress put that requirement in place. Nobody’s talking about sanctions except you. He didn’t. Iran doesn’t trust us. We don’t trust Iran. Time that became very clear. Or donyounthink recertifying compliance ought to be automatic?? Apparently so. That’s not what this president does.

 

[Phys251]

And you somehow think a peice of paper will stop Iran from making a nuke should they want to?

Worked so far. Maybe you'd prefer to invade them.

 

[ecofarm]

Puffington slides the word 'or' into an article and SA is a state sponsor. Hah.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

if Congress doesn’t act? He most certainly will.

Will we start wars with both Iran and North Korea?

Keep in mind that China is bound by treaty to defend North Korea. And Iran helped us get ISIS out of Iraq, they can be a huge problem for U.S. troops in Iraq. We can return to thousands of Americans returning in body bags every month.

How does any of this make any sense? So, yes, Trump is a moron.

 

[iguanaman]

All he did was not recertification them. Congress put that requirement in place. Nobody’s talking about sanctions except you. He didn’t. Iran doesn’t trust us. We don’t trust Iran. Time that became very clear. Or donyounthink recertifying compliance ought to be automatic?? Apparently so. That’s not what this president does.

The U.N inspectors have certified compliance with the agreement and all other Nations involved have also agreed. Trump has no evidence of non-compliance but he is trying to expand the agreement to include missiles and aiding terror groups. The result is that he is giving radicals in Iran a gift and jeopardizing Iran's future compliance for little reason. No reputable diplomats think that Iran will re-negotiate because of Trump and many fear that it will backfire and Iran will resume work on nukes instead.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Puffington slides the word 'or' into an article and SA is a state sponsor. Hah.

It's a well known fact that Saudi Arabia supports schools that teach extremism even in moderate Muslim countries. They create terrorists with their fundamentalist interpretation of Islam.

Susanne Schröter: The findings do not surprise me at all. It has long been known that Saudi Arabia has been exporting Wahhabist ideology - largely similar to the ideology of the so-called "Islamic State" (IS). Propaganda material and organizational expertise are being sent along with money. People are being hired to build mosques, educational institutions, cultural centers and similar organizations, so that Wahhabist theology can reach the public – with great success.

Saudi Arabia exports extremism to many countries - including Germany, study says

There are countless sources.

 

[joG]

All he did was not recertification them. Congress put that requirement in place. Nobody’s talking about sanctions except you. He didn’t. Iran doesn’t trust us. We don’t trust Iran. Time that became very clear. Or donyounthink recertifying compliance ought to be automatic?? Apparently so. That’s not what this president does.

And not to forget that we knew that Iran had broken the covenants of the deal before Obama certified it last time. He just didn't want to send it to Congress.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

And not to forget that we knew that Iran had broken the covenants of the deal before Obama certified it last time. He just didn't want to send it to Congress.

Congress was not in the mood for deals, given the prominence of senator Tom Cotton.

 

[Crovax]

Worked so far. Maybe you'd prefer to invade them.

What do you mean "worked so far", we have no mechanism to check that they aren't working on a nuclear device

 

[MaggieD]

The U.N inspectors have certified compliance with the agreement and all other Nations involved have also agreed. Trump has no evidence of non-compliance but is trying to expand the agreement to include missiles and aiding terror groups. The result is that he is giving radicals in Iran a gift and jeopardizing Iran's future compliance for little reason.

No, he didn’t do that. He put it into congress as he is required to do when he doesn’t sign a recertification. As for the U.N. Inspectors agree they’re in compliance, then why this??

Also Monday, IAEA chief Yukiya Amano verified that Iran has not been diverting its declared nuclear material to a weapons program. But he said that due to a lack of cooperation from Iran, the IAEA “remains unable to confirm that all nuclear material is in peaceful activities" – meaning there may be some undeclared material in play.

Mr. Amano said Iran had to clarify doubts about "activities with a possible military dimension."

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon said the "onus" was on Iran.

Recertification is not a mere rubber stamp.

 

[MaggieD]

The U.N inspectors have certified compliance with the agreement and all other Nations involved have also agreed. Trump has no evidence of non-compliance but he is trying to expand the agreement to include missiles and aiding terror groups. The result is that he is giving radicals in Iran a gift and jeopardizing Iran's future compliance for little reason. No reputable diplomats think that Iran will re-negotiate because of Trump and many fear that it will backfire and Iran will resume work on nukes instead.

Really? Then where did this come from?

Also Monday, IAEA chief Yukiya Amano verified that Iran has not been diverting its declared nuclear material to a weapons program. But he said that due to a lack of cooperation from Iran, the IAEA “remains unable to confirm that all nuclear material is in peaceful activities" – meaning there may be some undeclared material in play.

Mr. Amano said Iran had to clarify doubts about "activities with a possible military dimension."

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon said the "onus" was on Iran.

 

[Phys251]

What do you mean "worked so far", we have no mechanism to check that they aren't working on a nuclear device

Tell me, Crovax, would you prefer to invade Iran?

 

[MaggieD]

And not to forget that we knew that Iran had broken the covenants of the deal before Obama certified it last time. He just didn't want to send it to Congress.

So he’s cleaning ANOTHER mess. Another can kicked down the road...

 

[Crovax]

Tell me, Crovax, would you prefer to invade Iran?

If that's what it takes, as you say "all options on the table"

 

[Mr Person]

Why should anyone negotiate with us after Trump?



The useful idiots cheer as America sells its credibility short. Again.

Worse, they cheer because Trump told them to cheer. By all accounts the deal is working. And of course, the people cheering can't demonstrate otherwise. They're just repeating what they were told.

 

[chuckiechan]

Cooperation means friends? When was the last time Iran gave us terrorist intel or conducted a joint operation?

They are NoKo’s biggest customer for everything that threatens the west.

And when parties in Iran threatened to over throw the current government, Obama didn’t support them and they failed. Most of the leaders have evaporated into the “system”.

 

[Phys251]

If that's what it takes, as you say "all options on the table"

So yes, you are potentially okay with yet another ground war in the Middle East. Good to know.

 

[chuckiechan]

Tell me, Crovax, would you prefer to invade Iran?

I do get nervous about nuclear powers chanting “Death to America”.