Trump publicly urges China to investigate Bidens amid impeachment inquiry

[HAL9000]

So what? Surely, you do not argue that the DOJ should take into consideration the political fallout, or benefit, to a president, when conducting it's investigations and prosecutions?

DOJ wasn't involved, so they didn't make any considerations one way or the other. Rudy Giuliani gathered "evidence"(that he acknowledged to Volker was from a non-credible, self-serving, source) with Joe diGenova and Victoria Toensig. He gave that evidence to the State Department. Trump said, on the call, he intended to eventually involve Barr, but Barr says he never knew about it.

Are you suggesting Barr is lying?

 

[Athanasius68]

DOJ wasn't involved, so they didn't make any considerations one way or the other. Rudy Giuliani gathered "evidence"(that he acknowledged to Volker was from a non-credible, self-serving, source) with Joe diGenova and Victoria Toensig. He gave that evidence to the State Department. Trump said, on the call, he intended to eventually involve Barr, but Barr says he never knew about it.

Are you suggesting Barr is lying?

DOJ is involved. To what extent, unknown.
Giuliani is a private American citizen who went to look for dirt on Biden in Ukraine and as you say, gave to State depsrtment.
Otherwise, sounds like what Clinton did when she paid Fusion to find dirt on Trump. Steele turned what he found over to the government.

 

[HAL9000]

DOJ is involved. To what extent, unknown.
Giuliani is a private American citizen who went to look for dirt on Biden in Ukraine and as you say, gave to State depsrtment.
Otherwise, sounds like what Clinton did when she paid Fusion to find dirt on Trump. Steele turned what he found over to the government.

I don't believe you. Barr said he didn't know. White house and DOJ policy both dictate that communication between the Whitehouse and the DOJ, concerning matters of criminal investigations, must take place through either AG or the DAG.

Remember, Clinton wasn't a public official when running for office, she didn't have official power to wield. That's an important distinction. Also Fusion GPS subcontracted to Steele, so even if the Steele Dossier can be considered a corrupt campaign contribution, it was made to a third-party campaign organization. And McCormick v. United States, 500 U.S. 257 (1991)(allegedly corrupt payment made in the form of a campaign contribution to a third party campaign organization was insufficient to support a Hobbs Act conviction absent evidence of a quid pro quo).

This is what Trump gets for not understanding the law.

 

[nitroexpress]

Trump publicly urges China to investigate Bidens amid impeachment inquiry

President Donald Trump urged another*foreign government to probe Joe Biden and his son Thursday, saying the Chinese government should investigate the former vice president and son Hunter Biden over the latter's involvement with an investment fund that raised money in the country.

I guess getting impeachment begun wasn't enough. Which countries will he not ask?

Iraq?

Hunter once ran a hedge fund with his dad’s brother, James Biden, and associated with a notorious Ponzi schemer. James would go on to snag a job as executive vice president of a construction company in 2010, despite having virtually no experience in the field. And only a few months into his tenure, the company would win one of its biggest contracts in its history, a $1.5 billion deal to build affordable homes in Iraq.

By pure happenstance, Joe was also the Obama administration’s point man in Iraq at the time. Funny how these things work out.

 

[roguenuke]

However, the president is allowed to negotiate with foreign governments. And negotiations require give and take.

For the benefit of the country, not his reelection campaign or revenge.

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[roguenuke]

DOJ is involved. To what extent, unknown.
Giuliani is a private American citizen who went to look for dirt on Biden in Ukraine and as you say, gave to State depsrtment.
Otherwise, sounds like what Clinton did when she paid Fusion to find dirt on Trump. Steele turned what he found over to the government.

Except Guilani got assistance from Trump in his official position as President in digging up that dirt. That is what is not allowed.

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[Infinite Chaos]

~ If the political party is not acting in the interests of the People, they will be removed by the representative process of voting ~

Eventually I suppose. In this case, standing by a President who may be breaking constitutional law so that he sees out the presidency.

 

[Athanasius68]

For the benefit of the country, not his reelection campaign or revenge.

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There is presently an investigation by the DOJ into the origins of the Russia probe.
The purpose of which is to determine if there was an abuse of power in that decision to investigate the Trump campaign for conspiring with Russia.

 

[Athanasius68]

Except Guilani got assistance from Trump in his official position as President in digging up that dirt. That is what is not allowed.

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As per post 308

 

[roguenuke]

There is presently an investigation by the DOJ into the origins of the Russia probe.
The purpose of which is to determine if there was an abuse of power in that decision to investigate the Trump campaign for conspiring with Russia.

An investigation based on conspiracy theories and the pettiness of our President.

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[roguenuke]

As per post 308

Guiliani has no business being involved in any such investigation, even if it isnt all that legitimate to begin with.

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[Athanasius68]

An investigation based on conspiracy theories and the pettiness of our President.

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Based the clear lack of predicate for thinking Trump was conspiring with Russia.
Perhaps the Obama Admin was too quick to believe in conspiracy theories.

 

[Athanasius68]

Guiliani has no business being involved in any such investigation, even if it isnt all that legitimate to begin with.

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One might recall the activities of Mr. Steele, who was not a government employee. I don't recall the ethusiasts of the Trump conspired with Russia conspiracy theory being all that alarmed of his involvement.
Why be alarmed at Giulianis'?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

An investigation based on conspiracy theories and the pettiness of our President.

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And also one that we won't hear a single thing about unless the report can be redacted to eliminate the word "not" wherever the phrase "not an abuse of power" occurs.

 

[j brown's body]

:lamo "Are they blind? Can they not see? Whats wrong with you people!? Your supposed to mumble a bit about commies and such and then surrender. Why are you not surrendering!? Surrender already!" Democrat thought bubble.

The answer to your question my liberal friend is Trump fights. It doesn't matter the rest. The Republican party didnt fight before and still dont for the most part. For those who want to fight, Trump is the only game in town.

He only fights for himself. But for the nation, he accomplishes nothing. But you're free to fantasize.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

One might recall the activities of Mr. Steele, who was not a government employee. I don't recall the ethusiasts of the Trump conspired with Russia conspiracy theory being all that alarmed of his involvement.
Why be alarmed at Giulianis'?

Did the fact that

• []Mr. Steele was NOT acting on the direct orders of the President of the United States of America (or even on the direct orders of a particular political party's candidate for the office of the President of the United States of America in an upcoming election [or even on the direct orders of a person who was actually a candidate for the office of the President of the United States of America despite not having been nominated by any particular political party])

and the fact that

• Mr. Giuliani WAS acting on the direct orders of the President of the United States of America (even though he was not - YET - a particular political party's candidate for the office of the President of the United States of America in an upcoming election [Mr. Trump IS, however, already a candidate for election to the office of President of the United States of America even though no particular political party has nominated him yet)

happen to escape your notice?

 

[j brown's body]

Based the clear lack of predicate for thinking Trump was conspiring with Russia.
Perhaps the Obama Admin was too quick to believe in conspiracy theories.

Meeting with them and lying about it was kind of a giveaway.

 

[j brown's body]

There is no bribery. There is presently an investigation by the Trump Admin into the origins of the Russia probe. A prosecutor has been appointed and a Grand Jury formed. Evidently, Ukraine has information needed for this investigation. Nothing wrong with a president requesting Kiev for assistance.

Yeah, Trump is putting the resources of the federal government into an investigation of a crackpot right-wing conspiracy theory about an election that happened three years ago.

Just, wow.

 

[roguenuke]

One might recall the activities of Mr. Steele, who was not a government employee. I don't recall the ethusiasts of the Trump conspired with Russia conspiracy theory being all that alarmed of his involvement.
Why be alarmed at Giulianis'?

Two different things. Steele was not anyone's personal lawyer, being named as a go to person, by the President of the US for information on political rivals, while withholding aid to the country being directed there.

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[roguenuke]

Based the clear lack of predicate for thinking Trump was conspiring with Russia.
Perhaps the Obama Admin was too quick to believe in conspiracy theories.

Except for the evidence that showed that Trump or at least his campaign team, family had meetings with Russians and the fact that Russians were shown to have ran a huge social media campaign (among other things) that favored Trump getting elected. These are things there is evidence for.

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[TU Curmudgeon]

Attempting to get the thread back on track, has anyone else noticed that the Chinese government has sent a message that (in effect) says

Dear Mr. Trump

Thank you for your kind request for our assistance in your re-election campaign by providing you with information concerning potential candidates who might be running against you.

However we are not interested in breaking the laws of the United States of America by mucking about in your elections on anyone's behalf - not even yours.

Best wishes and kindest regards

XI

(And I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if the message "You do know that trademark protection is something that can be revoked as well as granted, don't you?" wasn't also transmitted [through unofficial channels, of course].)​