Trump orders withdrawal of U.S. forces from northern Syria, days after Pentagon downplays possibilit

[Atomic Kid]

All of our troops are "potentially in harm's way". I was in harm's way the two times I was stationed in Germany. I was always under threat of terrorist attacks.

But I wasn't fighting a war.

Terrorist threats would be least of your problems if the Soviet- Russian bloc had decided to go to war. Right? The Middle East is a virtual tinderbox now rife with the possibility of a miscalculation resulting in a clash between superpowers.

 

[Mr Person]

ISIS isn't our problem anymore.

Mycroft previously complaining that Obama isn't doing anything about ISIS:

It seems the answer to your question...even though the Obama administration doesn't want to admit it...is, yes.

That makes me wonder if Obama is actually doing anything about the situation...or if, for political purposes, he's going to continue to make noises about how safe we are.

Wait...you say Republicans are criticizing Obama for not providing a detailed plan to defeat ISIS? Sorry, but I haven't heard anyone saying such a thing. What I HAVE heard is criticism about him not HAVING any plan. That's a different thing, don't you think and don't you think they are justified in criticizing his apparent lack of a plan? I mean, he really doesn't seem to be doing much to bring about the defeat of ISIS, is he?

Thread: Obama saying ISIS not getting stronger.

You would think Obama would have learned long ago not to make such statements.

Famous last words, you know.

Thread: report of mustard gas used by ISIS in Syria; someone comments about whether Obama will draw a "red line".

He won't.

He'll ignore it for another year and a quarter and then he'll shag his ass out of town...dump the problem onto someone else.

Again and again, an advanced search turns up Mycroft posts attacking Obama for all things ISIS.

And now, of course, he is required to claim that ISIS doesn't matter / isn't our problem. And by extension, he is also now required to say that the imminent release of all ISIS members the kurds and Iraqis rounded up under our guidance is not a problem either.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Putin or Turkey told Trump to jump, and he jumped. Better hurry Putin, milk what you can out of Trump before he gets impeached!!

That's going a bit too far.

The Russians are totally dismayed by Mr. Trump's incredibly wise and courageous move that will save the lives of countless thousands of brave American soldiers at the hands of those Turkish Islamist Terrorists.

Why Mr. Trump has reactivated his commission

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and is taking personal charge of the defence of the human rights of everyone in Syria.

Right?

 

[Mycroft]

Terrorist threats would be least of your problems if the Soviet- Russian bloc had decided to go to war. Right?

That's correct, but that didn't diminish the terrorist danger that I and my family faced.

The Middle East is a virtual tinderbox now rife with the possibility of a miscalculation resulting in a clash between superpowers.

All the more reason to get out and leave it to others who actually have a dog in the fight.

 

[Mycroft]

Mycroft previously complaining that Obama isn't doing anything about ISIS:








Thread: Obama saying ISIS not getting stronger.





Thread: report of mustard gas used by ISIS in Syria; someone comments about whether Obama will draw a "red line".








Again and again, an advanced search turns up Mycroft posts attacking Obama for all things ISIS.

And now, of course, he is required to claim that ISIS doesn't matter / isn't our problem. And by extension, he is also now required to say that the imminent release of all ISIS members the kurds and Iraqis rounded up under our guidance but without much blood being spilled of our own is not a problem either.

Everything I said about Obama is true and after Obama shagged ass and left the mess to Trump, Trump destroyed ISIS, captured tens of thousands of them and have now turned the mess over to those who actually have a dog in the fight...which is not us.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

There's nothing moral about leaving former friends and allies and their families behind to be slaughtered. This is a stain upon America's honor that won't be going away any time soon. Turkey agreed not to kill Kurds??? Are you really that naive? That's exactly what they're doing and they're doing it indiscriminately. Killing multiple numbers of civilians, including women and children. They are also deliberately shelling prison camps containing captured ISIS fighters so as to give them opportunities to escape and thus create further chaos and havoc behind the Kurdish lines along with providing support for undisciplined armed militias to go around terrorizing people all across the countryside. The Turks bracketed our troops with artillery fire and our President says and does nothing and now has our troops in retreat. And he neither is he going do anything because he has business interests in Turkey. It's absolutely shameful what is happening here and you wait and see. General Mattis's prediction that this may well to lead to ISIS's resurgence is going to be proven to be correct. End of story.

What you have to remember is that if ISISISILDAESHWHATEVER does "resurge" then it will only be because Clinton, Obama, Biden, and the Democrats conspired to make it happen because they cannot accept the fact that Mr. Trump (who is the best President that the United States of America ever hand [or will ever have between now and the heat death of the universe]) was elected to the office of President of the United States of America by the biggest landslide vote (and had the biggest inauguration crowd) in the history of the United States of America.

I know that this is true because I received the latest edition of The Current Response And Position Bulletin yesterday.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

12 Hours. 4 Syrian Hospitals Bombed. One Culprit: Russia. - The New York Times

For hospitals deliberately bombed by Russian warplanes in 12 hours in May and the silence from Comrade Trump and Moscow Mitch is deafening.

Can you tell me what this has to do with the Turks and the Kurds? I mean it did happen SIX MONTHS AGO.

 

[Atomic Kid]

That's correct, but that didn't diminish the terrorist danger that I and my family faced.



All the more reason to get out and leave it to others who actually have a dog in the fight.

It also doesn't diminish the fact that you were on the front lines of a cold war that had the potential of going hot at any moment. And the entire world has a dog in this fight as over a third of the world's seaborne oil supply flows through the Strait of Hormuz and humanitarian crisis caused by mass displacement with the potential causing political upheaval in Europe. This isn't the 1930's anymore where having oceans on each side of us helped insulate us from immediate threats. Those days are long gone.

 

[Athanasius68]

Obama: I Have Decided To Bomb Syria, But I Want Congress To Weigh In First

And it never happened...

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Have you already forgotten about the drone and missile attacks on Saudi oil facilities which these are being sent to now help defend?

Somehow it just doesn't appear all that plausible that the Iranians would be able to send drones across the Iran/Iraq border, through Iraq, across the Iraq/Saudi border, and into an incredibly well aimed attack at very small targets WITHOUT the US, Iraqi, or Saudi governments being able to detect them.

On the other hand, those pesky Poles DID attack a German border police station - right?

Or the recent alleged Saudi missile attack on a Iranian oil tanker?

The Saudis would no more attack a civilian cargo ship sailing in international waters, the safety of which the US government has made great public pronouncements that it was going to defend against ALL threats, than it would have someone murdered in one of its embassies.

So these troops certainly could be considered as potentially being placed in harm's way.

No more so than Lt. Col G.A. Custer did on Jun. 25, 1876.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Mycroft previously complaining that Obama isn't doing anything about ISIS:








Thread: Obama saying ISIS not getting stronger.





Thread: report of mustard gas used by ISIS in Syria; someone comments about whether Obama will draw a "red line".








Again and again, an advanced search turns up Mycroft posts attacking Obama for all things ISIS.

And now, of course, he is required to claim that ISIS doesn't matter / isn't our problem. And by extension, he is also now required to say that the imminent release of all ISIS members the kurds and Iraqis rounded up under our guidance is not a problem either.

If you hadn't let your subscription to The Current Response And Position Bulletin you wouldn't have been in the least bit surprised.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Can you tell me what this has to do with the Turks and the Kurds? I mean it did happen SIX MONTHS AGO.

Kind of funny that you would ask that after posting a picture of Trump in a Russian general's uniform. First we are just getting confirmation of it now. Second just further testament on how Trump turning a blind eye to Russia's conduct in Syria has further exacerbated the crisis in Syria. Not to mention Turkey's recent purchase of Russian S-400 missile systems and Kurdish threats to go to the Russians to ask for their assistance.

 

[Mycroft]

It also doesn't diminish the fact that you were on the front lines of a cold war that had the potential of going hot at any moment. And the entire world has a dog in this fight as over a third of the world's seaborne oil supply flows through the Strait of Hormuz and humanitarian crisis caused by mass displacement with the potential causing political upheaval in Europe. This isn't the 1930's anymore where having oceans on each side of us helped insulate us from immediate threats. Those days are long gone.

1. You don't have to tell me where I was...whether in Europe or in Vietnam. I've been on the front lines in both cold AND hot wars.

2. The US doesn't need any of that oil. We have more than enough. Perhaps those countries who DO need that oil should step up. We are out of it.

3. The "mass displacement"? Yeah...all the more reason for the EU to step up and act instead of just talking.

Lots of people with a dog in this fight...and the US isn't one of them.

 

[Atomic Kid]

And it never happened...

Oh it happened and Congress refused to give it's backing. Only in your own little world it didn't.

 

[Mr Person]

Everything I said about Obama is true and after Obama shagged ass and left the mess to Trump, Trump destroyed ISIS, captured tens of thousands of them and have now turned the mess over to those who actually have a dog in the fight...which is not us.

Are you genuinely incapable of understanding that with the US pulling out and the Kurds getting beaten back by Turkey - whose interest is killing Kurds and forcing out Assad, not protecting US/Europe from ISIS attacks - the tens of thousands of ISIS members captured by the turks we are now stabbing in the back are escaping in larger numbers?

Or are you just being dishonest again?


I'm going for the latter because someone who was being honest would cede first of all that it was mainly the Iraqis and Kurds that defeated ISIS with US oversight, which was the actual Obama battle plan and which actually worked. Someone who was being honest would thus contemplate the fact that ISIS had lost 60% of its territory and was in a full rout when Trump took office. And while Trump was in office, the Kurds finished cleaning up the ISIS mess.

Now we betray them. Now you contradict your prior mouth running with new lies lazily molded to the new reality and celebrate Trump's perfidity.

 

[dairyair]

ISIS isn't our problem anymore.

Then they were never our problem in the 1st place.

 

[jet57]

Trump orders withdrawal of U.S. forces from northern Syria, days after Pentagon downplays possibility


Trump ordered a withdrawal of the about 1,000 U.S. troops left in northern Syria late Saturday. The president made the decision after indications that Turkey intends to expand its attack “farther south than originally planned and to the west,� Esper said, speaking on CBS News’s “Face the Nation.�


Heard at a traffic light, it won t get any greener!�

It was reported on CBS's Face the Nation this morning that the Kurds are making a deal with Russia for protection.

"Russia skews the election in favor of who they want = Trump". Arrests are made and prison time is handed out for crimes with respect Trump's people and washing money in the Ukraine; Trump shakes down the Ukraine. Trump for all intents and purposes hands over Syria to the Russians... Now they will have solid footing in the Middle East.

Follow the money.

 

[Atomic Kid]

1. You don't have to tell me where I was...whether in Europe or in Vietnam. I've been on the front lines in both cold AND hot wars.

2. The US doesn't need any of that oil. We have more than enough. Perhaps those countries who DO need that oil should step up. We are out of it.

3. The "mass displacement"? Yeah...all the more reason for the EU to step up and act instead of just talking.

Lots of people with a dog in this fight...and the US isn't one of them.

Don't be too sure of that. The shale oil boom is already showing signs of slowing and we have an administration that resisting the formation alternative energy enterprise and research. But we always go back to burning coal again, right? and it's now pretty to tell which which one is the US dog. It's the one with it's tail between it's legs.

 

[dairyair]

Mycroft previously complaining that Obama isn't doing anything about ISIS:








Thread: Obama saying ISIS not getting stronger.





Thread: report of mustard gas used by ISIS in Syria; someone comments about whether Obama will draw a "red line".








Again and again, an advanced search turns up Mycroft posts attacking Obama for all things ISIS.

And now, of course, he is required to claim that ISIS doesn't matter / isn't our problem. And by extension, he is also now required to say that the imminent release of all ISIS members the kurds and Iraqis rounded up under our guidance is not a problem either.

Wow, that shreds one's credibility on the subject of ISIS, doesn't it.
Is that poster a plant of the right?

 

[Rexedgar]

It was reported on CBS's Face the Nation this morning that the Kurds are making a deal with Russia for protection.

"Russia skews the election in favor of who they want = Trump". Arrests are made and prison time is handed out for crimes with respect Trump's people and washing money in the Ukraine; Trump shakes down the Ukraine. Trump for all intents and purposes hands over Syria to the Russians... Now they will have solid footing in the Middle East.

Follow the money.

I have pointed out before that I believe the Russian naval base in Tartus will undergo improvement to be able to accommodate the largest Russian naval vessels.

Russian naval facility in Tartus - Wikipedia

 

[Barnacle]

It was reported on CBS's Face the Nation this morning that the Kurds are making a deal with Russia for protection.

"Russia skews the election in favor of who they want = Trump". Arrests are made and prison time is handed out for crimes with respect Trump's people and washing money in the Ukraine; Trump shakes down the Ukraine. Trump for all intents and purposes hands over Syria to the Russians... Now they will have solid footing in the Middle East.
Follow the money.

Okay; does that mean Russia and Turkey will go to war against each other?

 

[OldFatGuy]

It was reported on CBS's Face the Nation this morning that the Kurds are making a deal with Russia for protection.

"Russia skews the election in favor of who they want = Trump". Arrests are made and prison time is handed out for crimes with respect Trump's people and washing money in the Ukraine; Trump shakes down the Ukraine. Trump for all intents and purposes hands over Syria to the Russians... Now they will have solid footing in the Middle East.

Follow the money.

Obviously the Kurds have read Metternich.

 

[Top Cat]

ISIS isn't our problem anymore.

Let's willful ignorance to your list.

 

[Mycroft]

Then they were never our problem in the 1st place.

That's correct. You can thank Obama for making it our problem.

 

[dairyair]

It was reported on CBS's Face the Nation this morning that the Kurds are making a deal with Russia for protection.

"Russia skews the election in favor of who they want = Trump". Arrests are made and prison time is handed out for crimes with respect Trump's people and washing money in the Ukraine; Trump shakes down the Ukraine. Trump for all intents and purposes hands over Syria to the Russians... Now they will have solid footing in the Middle East.

Follow the money.

And tRUMP towers to be built in Russia in the near future?