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Trump moves to eliminate nearly all asylum claims at U.S. southern border

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trixare4kids said:
If that happens then the onus remains with congress to get off their asses and change the statute so that our immigration system is less burdened but we both know the Democrats will never give Trump what he wants.

Don't tell me that the Democrats care about the little children who are suffering from crowded conditions in detention camps until they work with Trump to tighten loopholes.
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Don't try to tell me or anyone else that Trump cares even one iota about the suffering of the children he has imprisoned and or estranged from their parents and families Or the suffering of anyone whose skin isn't as Lilly white as his own for that matter. He doesn't seem to think that anyone besides white Americans have human rights. Once again this Is yet another problem of how his divisive and inflammatory bigoted rhetoric and unwillingness to formulate any kind of sensible foreign policy approach to deal with or even acknowledge the factors driving this migration has resulted in only serving to having hugely exacerbated this issue. I'm sure every 'Coyote' south of border would tell you that no one has been a bigger boon to their business than Donald Trump. Every time he opens his racist mouth their profits go up. All Trump wants is his ego wall and that he is not going to get. So just get that through your heads now.
 
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Atomic Kid said:
That's a "death camp". If you knew your history you would know therein lies a distinct difference. The Nazi death camps represent the furthest most extreme in terms of the inhumane cruelty of the concentration camp concept known to mankind. Thus far anyway.
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hmm, I heard Nazi concentration camps, so show me a picture of your version of a concentration camp, if you know your history? Kid
 
Still waiting for someone to post a picture of these so called concentration camps
 
Phys251 said:
This is an implicit admission by the tRump administration that entering our country to seek asylum is legal under US and international law.
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Of course its legal. However asylum has a clear definition and clear rules. Coming here because your country sucks and you want a better life (aka want to mooch off American taxpayers) does not fit the definition.

Trump is doing the legal and morally right thing here. Go back to your home and fix your own country.
 
Sheepdog said:
Of course its legal. However asylum has a clear definition and clear rules. Coming here because your country sucks and you want a better life (aka want to mooch off American taxpayers) does not fit the definition.

Trump is doing the legal and morally right thing here. Go back to your home and fix your own country.
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You obviously don't know the rules of seeking asylum, nor do you understand the conditions from which these migrants are fleeing. ;)
 
Phys251 said:
You obviously don't know the rules of seeking asylum, nor do you understand the conditions from which these migrants are fleeing. ;)
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Asylum does not apply just because your country sucks. You have to be fleeing religions or political persecution, things like that. They are not fleeing persecution, they are just fleeing a ****ty country. I looked it up, you didnt.

If asylum rules applied to these people, they would apply to most of the world. If most of the world qualifies for asylum, we no longer have a country.
 
Thingfish said:
hmm, I heard Nazi concentration camps, so show me a picture of your version of a concentration camp, if you know your history? Kid
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You can read, right? Sorry for the inquiry but it seems to be an unfortunate necessity to establish that first so as to determine how much of my time I should waste on you. Look up,the history of the origins of Dachau. I think you would find that informative. That is if you can or are willing.
 
Sheepdog said:
Asylum does not apply just because your country sucks. You have to be fleeing religions or political persecution, things like that. They are not fleeing persecution, they are just fleeing a ****ty country. I looked it up, you didnt.

If asylum rules applied to these people, they would apply to most of the world. If most of the world qualifies for asylum, we no longer have a country.
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Why are you wrong? :)
 
Thingfish said:
Still waiting for someone to post a picture of these so called concentration camps
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Why do you need a picture? Are you that reliant being show being shown "killer graphics" instead of text like our current reading challenged Bigot in Chief?
 
Trump administration erects another barrier to immigrants seeking U.S. asylum

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Trump administration erects another barrier to immigrants seeking U.S. asylum
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NEW YORK/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Trump administration on Monday unveiled a new rule to bar almost all immigrants from applying for asylum at the southern border, requiring them to first pursue safe haven in a third country through which they had traveled on the way to the United States.

The Department of Homeland Security, in a statement issued with the Department of Justice, said the rule would set a “new bar” for immigrants “by placing further restrictions or limitations on eligibility for aliens who seek asylum in the United States.”

The American Civil Liberties Union called the new rule “patently unlawful” and vowed to file a lawsuit against it, while a host of experts also questioned its legality.

“The interim regulation violates the clear language of the law in several respects,” Stephen Legomsky, a former chief counsel of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, told Reuters in an email.

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Well, so much for international law, American law, and "The Rule of Law".

On the other hand, Mr. Trump's "base" will eat this up like Joey Chestnut eats hot dogs and that's all that counts as far as Mr. Trump is concerned.

PS - Expect the number of Republican Senators who speak out against this new order (and the consequential derogation of Congress' treaty approval power) to roughly equal the number of people you can comfortably seat in a "bargain airline" economy class international flight.
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....The American Civil Liberties Union called the new rule “patently unlawful” and vowed to file a lawsuit against it, while a host of experts also questioned its legality.

“The interim regulation violates the clear language of the law in several respects,” Stephen Legomsky, a former chief counsel of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, told Reuters in an email.
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So Trump can't follow the law? Color me shocked.
 
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TU Curmudgeon said:
From Reuters

Trump administration erects another barrier to immigrants seeking U.S. asylum
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NEW YORK/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Trump administration on Monday unveiled a new rule to bar almost all immigrants from applying for asylum at the southern border, requiring them to first pursue safe haven in a third country through which they had traveled on the way to the United States.

The Department of Homeland Security, in a statement issued with the Department of Justice, said the rule would set a “new bar” for immigrants “by placing further restrictions or limitations on eligibility for aliens who seek asylum in the United States.”

The American Civil Liberties Union called the new rule “patently unlawful” and vowed to file a lawsuit against it, while a host of experts also questioned its legality.

“The interim regulation violates the clear language of the law in several respects,” Stephen Legomsky, a former chief counsel of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, told Reuters in an email.

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Well, so much for international law, American law, and "The Rule of Law".

On the other hand, Mr. Trump's "base" will eat this up like Joey Chestnut eats hot dogs and that's all that counts as far as Mr. Trump is concerned.

PS - Expect the number of Republican Senators who speak out against this new order (and the consequential derogation of Congress' treaty approval power) to roughly equal the number of people you can comfortably seat in a "bargain airline" economy class international flight.
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Your talking about a Safe Third Country Agreement with Mexico. Like we have had with Canada for a long time. So it is already current law, and the power was given to the AG and the President to make an agreement with a country if they deem them safe. So again this is the rule of law. Plus international law applying to refugees currently states a refugee or someone wanting asylum should apply for asylum at the first safe country they enter, this would be Mexico for all those countries south of Mexico.
 
Re: Trump administration erects another barrier to immigrants seeking U.S. asylum

TU Curmudgeon said:
From Reuters

Trump administration erects another barrier to immigrants seeking U.S. asylum
​

NEW YORK/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Trump administration on Monday unveiled a new rule to bar almost all immigrants from applying for asylum at the southern border, requiring them to first pursue safe haven in a third country through which they had traveled on the way to the United States.

The Department of Homeland Security, in a statement issued with the Department of Justice, said the rule would set a “new bar” for immigrants “by placing further restrictions or limitations on eligibility for aliens who seek asylum in the United States.”

The American Civil Liberties Union called the new rule “patently unlawful” and vowed to file a lawsuit against it, while a host of experts also questioned its legality.

“The interim regulation violates the clear language of the law in several respects,” Stephen Legomsky, a former chief counsel of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, told Reuters in an email.

COMMENT:-

Well, so much for international law, American law, and "The Rule of Law".

On the other hand, Mr. Trump's "base" will eat this up like Joey Chestnut eats hot dogs and that's all that counts as far as Mr. Trump is concerned.

PS - Expect the number of Republican Senators who speak out against this new order (and the consequential derogation of Congress' treaty approval power) to roughly equal the number of people you can comfortably seat in a "bargain airline" economy class international flight.
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Our asylum laws are being exploited, and have been for a long time now. Unquestionably there is a crisis on our southern border, so something needed to be done. It's obvious that the democrats have no desire to see the problem solved, so I think Trump's actions were more than justified.

Even far left, anti-Trump CNN host Fareed Zakaria agrees with the president that there is a crisis at the border, that our asylum laws are being gamed, and believes something needs to be done:

 
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If the liberals are so concerned about these people then take them in your own home.Feed them.House them.Pay for their medical.dental,education.I can't believe how cruel the liberals are.
 
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jdog21 said:
Your talking about a Safe Third Country Agreement with Mexico. Like we have had with Canada for a long time. So it is already current law, and the power was given to the AG and the President to make an agreement with a country if they deem them safe. So again this is the rule of law. Plus international law applying to refugees currently states a refugee or someone wanting asylum should apply for asylum at the first safe country they enter, this would be Mexico for all those countries south of Mexico.
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When did we sign a safe third country agreement with Mexico?
 
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Grim17 said:
Our asylum laws are being exploited, and have been for a long time now. Unquestionably there is a crisis on our southern border, so something needed to be done. It's obvious that the democrats have no desire to see the problem solved, so I think Trump's actions were more than justified.

Even far left, anti-Trump CNN host Fareed Zakaria agrees with the president that there is a crisis at the border, that our asylum laws are being gamed, and believes something needs to be done:

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Does that standard apply to a democratic president also? When they believe something needs to be done they can just violate federal law?
 
Sheepdog said:
Of course its legal. However asylum has a clear definition and clear rules. Coming here because your country sucks and you want a better life (aka want to mooch off American taxpayers) does not fit the definition.

Trump is doing the legal and morally right thing here. Go back to your home and fix your own country.
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We call those clear definitions and clear rules federal laws. This is a blatant violation of federal asylum law... This is the part where government is not run like a business...
 
BlueTex said:
We call those clear definitions and clear rules federal laws. This is a blatant violation of federal asylum law... This is the part where government is not run like a business...
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No it isnt. To qualify for asylum you have to go to a legal port of entry. If these people did not do that they entered illegally and are outta here byebye.
 
Sheepdog said:
No it isnt. To qualify for asylum you have to go to a legal port of entry. If these people did not do that they entered illegally and are outta here byebye.
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In the federal asylum statute where it says, whether or not at a designated port of arrival, what do you think that part of the statute means?

(a) Authority to apply for asylum
(1) In general
Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.

8 U.S. Code SS 1158 - Asylum | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute
 
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