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Trump: "Kurds Not Angels... PKK Worse Than ISIS"

OldFatGuy said:
You'll find more gas and oil in Pennsylvania or western NYS where the first oil wells were erected. Certainly not enough to be of import locally. There is more oil by the La Brea Tarpits and no one is bothering to harvest what is there.
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The oil in central Syria was enough to keep the ISIS Caliphate in the black.

Convoys of ISIS fuel-oil trucks wound up at Turkish ports on the Mediterranean to be loaded into tankers.

Erdogan had no problem at all with the arrangement. He got his cut.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Would you prefer a thesis or would you accept a quote from Leon Gelb, chairman of the American CP 1936-41? He said "Communism and fascism are sisters of the same coin, in guise to appear different, but fraternal twins." He was praised by both Stalin and Mussolini. Of course, his tune changed when Germany invaded Russia, and he was deported in 1947 back to Romania.

Gelb's partners in crime, George Lincoln Rockwell and infamous California pimp/pastor Martin Luther Mimms, the Al Sharpton. (No relation to King)
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Communists cannot possibly be fascists because who fascist is automatically authoritarian, communism is not required to be. Fascism is capitalism, while communism cannot be capitalist because that would be an oxymoron.
 
OldFatGuy said:
You'll find more gas and oil in Pennsylvania or western NYS where the first oil wells were erected. Certainly not enough to be of import locally. There is more oil by the La Brea Tarpits and no one is bothering to harvest what is there.
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I live in the Clinton sandstone which overlies the Utica shale. I am well aware of the geology and the drilling process. The only club that I was in during high school was the egology club.
The Utica shale in this area is not financially profitable for extraction. 3 wells have been drilled and none have been frac'd because they are either dry or so low in gas that it was a waste of money.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Would you prefer a thesis or would you accept a quote from Leon Gelb, chairman of the American CP 1936-41? He said "Communism and fascism are sisters of the same coin, in guise to appear different, but fraternal twins." He was praised by both Stalin and Mussolini. Of course his tune changed when Germany invaded Russia, and he was deported in 1947 back to Romania.

Gelb's partners in crime, George Lincoln Rockwell and infamous California pimp/pastor Martin Luther Mimms, the Al Sharpton . (No relation to King)
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More like a quote from marx, engles, lenin, kropotkin, etc. also you should properly source your claim.
 
bomberfox said:
More like a quote from marx, engles, lenin, kropotkin, etc. also you should properly source your claim.
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I have read Kropotkin, Bakunin, Prodoun, Chomsky and Daniel Gurein. That would be another thread.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Would you prefer a thesis or would you accept a quote from Leon Gelb, chairman of the American CP 1936-41? He said "Communism and fascism are sisters of the same coin, in guise to appear different, but fraternal twins." He was praised by both Stalin and Mussolini. Of course his tune changed when Germany invaded Russia, and he was deported in 1947 back to Romania.

Gelb's partners in crime, George Lincoln Rockwell and infamous California pimp/pastor Martin Luther Mimms, the Al Sharpton . (No relation to King)
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It cannot be denied that Fascism and similar movements aimed at the establishment of dictatorships are full of the best intentions and that their intervention has for the moment saved European civilization. The merit that Fascism has thereby won for itself will live on eternally in history. Ludwig Von Mises

Hitler privatized several state owned industries and he was supported by German capitalists just not jewish capitalists. Zyklon B is a brand name made by a private company. Krupp, Flick, and others still kept their private fortunes all through the third reich. Krupp only lost his fortunes and his company after being found guilty in the Nuremberg trials. Unlike you, i dont quote mine. Fascism is powered by capitalism and did several favors for capitalists. Its why Milton Friedman and Frederick Hayek saw fit to test their theories in Pinochet’s Chile.

Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism to which unity within the State (which amalgamates classes into a single economic and ethical reality) is unknown, and which sees in history nothing but the class struggle. Fascism is likewise opposed to trade unionism as a class weapon. But when brought within the orbit of the State, Fascism recognizes the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonized in the unity of the State (16).

Mussolini - THE DOCTRINE OF FASCISM

Dinesh D’souza is that you?!
 
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Bucky said:
They are not a country, thus, they are not an ally.
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Lessee, George Washington didn’t have a country but the French were our allies, the Contras didn’t have a country, yet Reagan made them our allies against Nicaragua, ditto the Solidarity movement in Poland, the resistance to the Nazis in France, etc. History shows that there doesn’t seem to be a “you must be a country” requirement to be an ally of another country.
 
apdst said:
There you go, defending terrorists. :lamo
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Give me a break. Terrorist is what Somoza labeled a broad based revolution against him. Contras who sought to overturn that revolution were obviously terrorists, to judge by the woman I knew whom they raped, but freedom fighters to Reagan. Were the Polish resistance to the Nazis “terrorists” when they planted bombs? It’s an old cliche, but one man’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter. Depends whose ox is gored. Plant a bomb on a plane and kill 300 civilian passengers = obvious terrorist. Drop that same bomb out of the plane and kill 300 civilian villagers = obvious war hero.
 
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apdst said:
No, the issue of this is to claim that there are no terrorist factions within the Kurdish population and that claim is absolutely incorrect.
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The thread is titled: 'Trump: "Kurds Not Angels... PKK Worse Than ISIS" ' So, you agree with Agolf Twitler.

The New York Times Fact-check says this:

The Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or P.K.K., is a separatist group primarily composed of Turkish Kurds with deep ties to Kurdish militias that joined with other groups to form the Syrian Democratic Forces, which has been fighting the Islamic State, or ISIS, in Syria.
The United States considers those Kurdish-led militias key allies in the fight against ISIS, but has designated the P.K.K. a terrorist organization since 1987. Still, it’s a huge stretch to compare the group to ISIS.

The director of national intelligence has called ISIS a global terrorism threat every year since 2015, while the P.K.K. has been noted as a regional security threat to Turkey or Syria. The State Department’s latest annual terrorism report contains over 500 references ISIS, including a lengthy introduction assessing its influence in the region, compared with under 30 mentions of the P.K.K.
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The prez is merely trying to justify his reckless decision to throw the Kurds under the bus and as a loyal cult member, you buy into anything he says.
 
PoS said:
The PKK are indeed terrorists. Are you denying that they are?
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Are you siding with Trump in the claim that they are worse than ISIS? That is what my thread is about. Not whether or not the PKK are terrorists (which is not as black and white as you want to make it). But then again, as a puritanical libertarian, everything is black and white to you, isn't it?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Isis May be bad, Erdogan may be bad, but the PKK are communists and there’s only one good form of communist
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They are libertarian-socialists/communist. Which is a world of difference from Stalinist or other totalitarian communists. Understand ideologies before you expose your ignorance.
 
PoS said:
The YPG and the SDF are closely allied with the PKK since their aims are the same- an independent Kurdish country- this is fact.
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They have fought for independence while being oppressed for years. Hmmm, what other country went through that, I wonder?
 
apdst said:
You just proved that you condone the conscripting of child soldiers. How disgusting.
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How disgusting that you state Uptower in any way endorsed child soldier conscription.
 
Lisa said:
The Communism definition is correct, The definition of Socialism isn't totally correct. The workers can control the means of production as private groups without the state being involved. You also forgot to note that neither groups need or even desire an authoritarian abusive government, despite what many people appear to believe.
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Actually, the communism definition isn't 100% correct either. Communist theory did not derive from Karl Marx, but he did bring it into the mainstream. Marxism (a branch of communist), however, was obviously derived from Karl Marx.
 
apdst said:
The bottomline is: both are the same
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BZZZZT. Wrong. But I won't deprive you of your simplistic view of the world.
 
Dans La Lune said:
Trump is like a Game of Thrones villain.
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He certainly has the narcissistic characteristics of Cersei and Joffrey, but he is so much dumber.
 
apdst said:
The bottom line is: both are the same and both deprive the citizenry of it's civil liberties, to one degree, or another. I oppose both.
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No, they do not inherently deprive citizens of their rights.
 
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