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Trump haters hate him because he often resembles a OMG Christian

Mr Person said:
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Trump is utterly corrupt scum who delights in breaking every commandment. I suppose we should thank him for revealing hypocrisy and dishonesty in claims of religious belief.
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***That awkward moment TDS gets the left to embrace religion.**
 
snakestretcher said:
There are no 'gods', so what is there to embrace? Religion is nothing more than a scam designed to separate you from your cash.
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On this Snake, we totally agree! I've been saying this since 2nd grade. I was merely pointing out the other member citing religion. A true god would not need worship.
 
soylentgreen said:
**** no, Why would i bother with the ridiculous worship of a fake god? Four of the commandments are about worshiping god and the rest are stolen ideas from others.

I have no interest in the neurotic morality of a christian.
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and yet we have people in our country who claim to but don't while preaching at others.

that's the rub.
 
2distracted said:
Liberals quote the Bible so as to get votes

Then once voted in, do the opposite of what any given Bible quote would indicate...

Little weasels
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Oh yeah and Trump clearing out a peaceful protest to show off his Bible in front of a church in front of cameras, backwards no less, is because he’s such a devoted believer. Yeah, OK. And he can quote us from “Two Corinthians” to prove it, I am sure.

“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.”
-Thomas Jefferson
 
2distracted said:
You are incredibly clueless... I have no idea what to say to someone who doesn't even get..or claims to not get Jesus...
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christianity is magical thinking. in the real world we have to deal with cause and effect. and do the best we can with what we have.
 
Questerr said:
You know what Christianity is all about?

Never admitting to being wrong and constantly claiming you are the best at everything.

In Christianity, Pride is a virtue and humility is a sin, right?
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blind faith teaches that you dont have to question your ideology

very dangerous
 
TobyOne said:
I don't think Trump resembles a Christian very much. He *is* on the side of freedom of religion, which is good - but resembles a Christian? No.
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he just gave 1.4 billion tax dollars to the catholic church.

seems like a violation of constitutions 'separation of church and state' to me

or just more of late stage capitalism to big to fail problem

the rich stay rich and the working class pay for it like slaves
 
ataraxia said:
No, that started with the founding fathers of this country.

"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes. ”
-Thomas Jefferson
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We have a secular government last I checked and will continue to have one. That isn't the point at issue. The point is that the founders, including Jefferson, sought to protect the free exercise of religion and they thought it so important that they put it in the 1st Amendment of the Bill of Rights. The left has waged a relentless assault on free exercise for 60 years. They seem to forget that most of the people who first came here did so in order to be able to worship as they pleased. They are the people who started this nation.
 
soylentgreen said:
No, it's more you have a belief without substance and lack the knowledge to understand that.
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You have to learn the difference between faith and facts. Christianity contains many facts but the ultimate belief must rest on faith. The people who reject God have no facts on that question. They only know they haven't seen Him so He can't exist. That's their faith.
 
azgreg said:
There isn't one single metric where Trump resembles a Christian. Not one.
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Donald Trump treats the Seven Deadly Sins as a To-Do list, but the evangelicals love him because they do the very same thing.

I have come to the realization if conservative christian were required to live by the teachings of the man that they believe to be the son of god and their personal savior that they would claim to be victims of religious persecution.

veritas1 said:
You have to learn the difference between faith and facts. Christianity contains many facts but the ultimate belief must rest on faith. The people who reject God have no facts on that question. They only know they haven't seen Him so He can't exist. That's their faith.
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There are no facts of theistic religion because if there were then faith and belief would be unnecessary. The Bible or any other revealed religious text is no more true than Harry Potter, despite your belief.

veritas1 said:
We have a secular government last I checked and will continue to have one. That isn't the point at issue. The point is that the founders, including Jefferson, sought to protect the free exercise of religion and they thought it so important that they put it in the 1st Amendment of the Bill of Rights. The left has waged a relentless assault on free exercise for 60 years. They seem to forget that most of the people who first came here did so in order to be able to worship as they pleased. They are the people who started this nation.
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I dare you to name even one time when the free exercise clause has been infringed.
 
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veritas1 said:
You have to learn the difference between faith and facts. Christianity contains many facts but the ultimate belief must rest on faith. The people who reject God have no facts on that question. They only know they haven't seen Him so He can't exist. That's their faith.
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Christianity contains few facts and many embellishments that do not stand up to scrutiny. Faith gives you only the power to believe what ever it is you have faith in. It does not give you any ability to say you are right in your belief that you have facts to support your belief or that anyone is wrong to laugh in your face over your silly beliefs. Otherwise it would not be faith
 
soylentgreen said:
Christianity contains few facts and many embellishments that do not stand up to scrutiny. Faith gives you only the power to believe what ever it is you have faith in. It does not give you any ability to say you are right in your belief that you have facts to support your belief or that anyone is wrong to laugh in your face over your silly beliefs. Otherwise it would not be faith
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The NT is historically reliable. The real points at issue are the miracles and the resurrection. If God exists, those are certainly things He can easily do. The people who reject the claims do so because they refuse to admit that God can exist, yet they have no grounds for claiming that to be a fact. Not having seen God proves nothing. It can mean that He doesn't exist or it can mean that He simply hasn't revealed Himself yet. No claim can legitimately be made as to God's ultimate existence short of comprehensive and universal knowledge of the universe, which none of us possess.
 
veritas1 said:
The left has waged a relentless assault on free exercise for 60 years. They seem to forget that most of the people who first came here did so in order to be able to worship as they pleased. They are the people who started this nation.
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The left have no problems with people exercising whatever religion they want on their own time. The right want to impose Christian religion on the public and those that don't care for Christian religion. The right has been fighting separation of church and state for a long time.
 
veritas1 said:
The NT is historically reliable. The real points at issue are the miracles and the resurrection. If God exists, those are certainly things He can easily do. The people who reject the claims do so because they refuse to admit that God can exist, yet they have no grounds for claiming that to be a fact. Not having seen God proves nothing. It can mean that He doesn't exist or it can mean that He simply hasn't revealed Himself yet. No claim can legitimately be made as to God's ultimate existence short of comprehensive and universal knowledge of the universe, which none of us possess.
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What part of the New testament has been proven true? There is no objective proof of the existence of Jesus and the resurrection and miracles are myths. You can believe what you want but when you say that it is true then facts get to join the party and you dont like when that happens because neither your faith or your religious beliefs are sufficient to rebut them.

Jesus is just another in a long line of dying and rising d saviors born of a virgin birth.
 
Slavister said:
The left have no problems with people exercising whatever religion they want on their own time. The right want to impose Christian religion on the public and those that don't care for Christian religion. The right has been fighting separation of church and state for a long time.
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The Bill of Rights says that there can be no law infringing on the free exercise of religion. That means at any time in any place. It doesn't restrict people to only churches and homes, far from it. The only separation alluded to is that the government cannot, by law, establish a national religion. They haven't done so, aren't doing so and will not do so. Christians don't want to impose anything on anyone. They want their rights respected.
 
Lisa said:
What part of the New testament has been proven true? There is no objective proof of the existence of Jesus and the resurrection and miracles are myths. You can believe what you want but when you say that it is true then facts get to join the party and you dont like when that happens because neither your faith or your religious beliefs are sufficient to rebut them.

Jesus is just another in a long line of dying and rising d saviors born of a virgin birth.
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Claiming Jesus didn't exist as a real person is not a fact. It is an opinion and a rather absurd one which no really serious scholar supports. You can claim there were no miracles or resurrection but claiming there was no such person as Jesus is simply a product of personal bias.
 
veritas1 said:
The Bill of Rights says that there can be no law infringing on the free exercise of religion. That means at any time in any place. It doesn't restrict people to only churches and homes, far from it. The only separation alluded to is that the government cannot, by law, establish a national religion. They haven't done so, aren't doing so and will not do so. Christians don't want to impose anything on anyone. They want their rights respected.
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No, you are underplaying what it means.

"Separation of church and state" is a legal principle in the United States, which is related to, but not found within, the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, in the Bill of Rights". Here is just one link goes over more details with how this principle has been applied in various cases despite not being in 1st Amendment.

What religious rights have not been respected exactly by the left? Can you give specific examples?
 
veritas1 said:
Claiming Jesus didn't exist as a real person is not a fact. It is an opinion and a rather absurd one which no really serious scholar supports. You can claim there were no miracles or resurrection but claiming there was no such person as Jesus is simply a product of personal bias.
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There is no empirical proof that Jesus ever existed. The person in the bible of Jesus is likely the plagiarized and embellished story of a radial Jewish rabbi who was killed by the Romans because of his unorthodox religious beliefs and his failure to obey roman law.

Please read the work of Bart Ehrman.
 
veritas1 said:
The NT is historically reliable. The real points at issue are the miracles and the resurrection. If God exists, those are certainly things He can easily do. The people who reject the claims do so because they refuse to admit that God can exist, yet they have no grounds for claiming that to be a fact. Not having seen God proves nothing. It can mean that He doesn't exist or it can mean that He simply hasn't revealed Himself yet. No claim can legitimately be made as to God's ultimate existence short of comprehensive and universal knowledge of the universe, which none of us possess.
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No, i disagree the nt is more about justifying the existence of an imaginary god than it is about history. At best it could be said that it has taken real people and events and weaved a fiction about it.

I do not refuse a god exists i just point out that theists have never provided any evidence or even a good reason for one. Therefor i have no reason top believe there is one.

And no, it is nonsense to say something does exist on the mere basis that no one can prove it does not. Which is basically all you have.
 
Lisa said:
There is no empirical proof that Jesus ever existed. The person in the bible of Jesus is likely the plagiarized and embellished story of a radial Jewish rabbi who was killed by the Romans because of his unorthodox religious beliefs and his failure to obey roman law.

Please read the work of Bart Ehrman.
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Bart Ehrman is a guy who was a Christian and then rejected the faith. That he'd now be looking for reasons as to why Jesus never really existed, is not that surprising.
 
2distracted said:
This is, I believe the primary reason for all the hate

Yes, there's the fact he can't be controlled...can't make him acquiesce to the anti American, anti-life huge government morons

But the main thing seems to be his friendship with Christians...and worse ... OMG...he may even .... OMG be one...

Boy, dobwe need to stop him, say the antiChrists

We like our tyrannical, regulation loving, baby murdering system...
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Isn't there something in the Bible about not committing adultery, not lying, etc.?
 
soylentgreen said:
No, i disagree the nt is more about justifying the existence of an imaginary god than it is about history. At best it could be said that it has taken real people and events and weaved a fiction about it.

I do not refuse a god exists i just point out that theists have never provided any evidence or even a good reason for one. Therefor i have no reason top believe there is one.

And no, it is nonsense to say something does exist on the mere basis that no one can prove it does not. Which is basically all you have.
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I never made the claim in your last sentence and do not do so now. As for God, there are ample reasons for why His existence makes sense and that includes creation and human life. The chances that either could happen randomly, which is what's required without an intelligent agent, are mathematically impossible. Much more has been written on that topic than I can go into in a brief post.
 
2distracted said:
This is, I believe the primary reason for all the hate

Yes, there's the fact he can't be controlled...can't make him acquiesce to the anti American, anti-life huge government morons

But the main thing seems to be his friendship with Christians...and worse ... OMG...he may even .... OMG be one...

Boy, dobwe need to stop him, say the antiChrists

We like our tyrannical, regulation loving, baby murdering system...
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It really true. People are saying that behind the scenes trump likes to claim that MAGA really does stand for Maximum American Gullibility Always. Believe me.
 
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veritas1 said:
I never made the claim in your last sentence and do not do so now. As for God, there are ample reasons for why His existence makes sense and that includes creation and human life. The chances that either could happen randomly, which is what's required without an intelligent agent, are mathematically impossible. Much more has been written on that topic than I can go into in a brief post.
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Your understanding of evolution is as with most theists a poor understanding if you think randomness is the only factor. Randomness simply tells us that there is in fact no intelligence behind it.

And true you did not make any such claim in words but it still is all you have.

And no, if you are trying for the ID as a good reason then that is as always a fail.
 
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