Trump has scoreboard obsession. It hasn’t worked with coronavirus

[Conservative]

You know how we all know when your kind have been thoroughly frustrated about the reality we smack across your faces? You behave like Trump and lash out.

How old are you? Because I imagine a cantankerous ninety year-old who stopped actually thinking about his ideology back during the Reagan years; and as life went on and Party development occurred you simply viewed it as too difficult to understand, thus you buried your head in the sand...awaiting a political savior to tell you that its all just fake news.

I am not frustrated at all personal just in the attitude of people like you who whine, complain but never offer solutions. I am 73 years old, spending 35 years in the private sector, serving my country as did my father at Pearl Harbor and my father in law at Normandy. My father taught me personal responsibility and not to place blame but always accept responsibility for the choices I made. The military taught me that as well. Apparently you never learned from either source

What personal benefit do you expect from the President of the United States? I don't wait for a political savior I take personal action and when I fail I accept it. You see, I know what the responsibility and role of the President is, you don't seem to understand that role or that of the Congress along with your own state gov't. I don't pay any attention to news, just results and you have offered nothing to support your ideology and attitude. I see people like you as whiners, complainers and totally incapable of living in a free market society. What you promote is dependence, what I promote is personal responsibility

 

[Conservative]

Your first sentence is especially rich with your own projects.

Then explain to me what your city of Chicago is doing that shows your understanding of civics?

 

[Chomsky]

Hope is pretty much all we have in this country.

Pathetic leadership in the early stages has put us way behind the power curve.

The socialist system in China, including the leadership, did a far better job than our Clown in Chief and his evangelical staff.

Yes, unmanaged capitalism is indeed the problem. With the key word being "unmanaged", not "capitalism". We lack strategic leadership, which in turn allows capitalism to veer into modes that do not serve society's best interest. That lack of leadership is our fault.

 

[Conservative]

All that poster wants to do is derail every thread on trump’s blatant incompetence into a discussion where he dishonesty shades the numbers.

Red states like his Texas are lying about CORONAvirus stats under orders from trump to protect him. We’ll continue to see this illegal manipulation of economic numbers.

And all you people do it cast blame never accepting responsibility for state and local failures totally blaming Republicans but ignoring the worst states in the nation are led by Democrats. I live in TX so tell me how someone from Chicago, known for corrupt politics knows what is going on in TX? Seems just like another kid sitting in the parents basement blaming someone else for their own failures

 

[Thoreau72]

Pathetic lack of civics understanding is rampant in this country and you continue to show it. Pathetic leadership in liberal states like California, NY, NJ and Washington state where people like you believe in placing blame but never accepting responsibility. The socialist leadership in China doing a far better job?? OMG, that is one incredibly stupid statement

Because I'm more independent than you are, I prefer to stick to the facts. That is, I'm not married to a political party or view. I know dogma exists, but usually I reject dogma.

The facts are that through strong action the Chinese have endured the tsunami and survived. In contrast, Trump & Co shucked and jived before the cameras, ignored science and history as they always do, trimmed the government response in many ways while waging war all over the globe.

Donald could send troops to Saudi for whatever bull**** reason he offered, even as the US public health was ignored by the megalomaniac.

Enjoy!

 

[Tbird19482]

What is your vested interest in getting rid of Trump? Again placing blame is what people like you do

and YOU didn't do it when Obama was in office and still are
again if a Dem President is in office if it is a bad thing happening it is all his fault and if it is a good thing happening he had nothing to do with it
and IF it is a Republican President if something good happens he had everything to do with it and if it is something bad happening he had nothing to do with it
Sorry people you can't have it both ways IF you are going to blame a Dem president for something you have to do the same for Republican President
have a nice day

 

[Chomsky]

All that poster wants to do is derail every thread on trump’s blatant incompetence into a discussion where he dishonesty shades the numbers.

Red states like his Texas are lying about CORONAvirus stats under orders from trump to protect him. We’ll continue to see this illegal manipulation of economic numbers.

I know. But there is no "shading" the numbers. It is ugly beyond compare.

 

[Paradoxical]

"As the coronavirus raced around the globe and seized the world’s economy, he has cited numbers to suit his own story that the pandemic would quickly pass and that his administration was in control."

"It’s a playbook that hasn’t always worked."

Trump has scoreboard obsession. It hasn’t worked with coronavirus

Oh, it's working all-right. Maybe not technically, because it's lying. But a lot of people still have faith in Trump, even though he lies about the greatest public health threat of our lifetime.

A link from MSN. LOL

Instead of bluesmoke. This is blowingsmoke.

 

[Linc]

Wow, what ignorance of reality!! Typical Chicago political comment

Ignorance of reality is your specialty, Conservative, as you derail every thread into dishonestly representing trump’s flailing and failing economy.

republiecons would prefer to destroy our Nation than admit to trump’s malfeasance and make us whole again.

 

[Conservative]

Because I'm more independent than you are, I prefer to stick to the facts. That is, I'm not married to a political party or view. I know dogma exists, but usually I reject dogma.

The facts are that through strong action the Chinese have endured the tsunami and survived. In contrast, Trump & Co shucked and jived before the cameras, ignored science and history as they always do, trimmed the government response in many ways while waging war all over the globe.

Donald could send troops to Saudi for whatever bull**** reason he offered, even as the US public health was ignored by the megalomaniac.

Enjoy!

What facts??? these are facts. then there is the reality of what is actually happening in China, how someone living in this country under our freedoms can promote China is beyond comprehension. I feel sorry for people like you who can never accept the reality of their own failures. You have no understanding as to the role of the federal, state and local governments and are incapable of accepting responsibility for your own failures ignoring the dependence that massive gov'ts like China create

DP and Dollar change
2008 14712.8
2009 14448.9
2010 14992.1
GDP dollars and GDP dollar growth, 487 billion growth is what Trump inherited, what was it in 2017-2018-2019?

2011 15,542.6 +804.4
2012 16197.0 +562.4
2013 16784.9 +587.9
2014 17527.3 +652.4
2015 18224.8 +697.5
2016 18715.0 +487.2
2017 19519.4 +804.4
2018 20,580.2 +1060.8
2019 21427.1 +846.9

Then there is this which Trump inherited and the comparison today. Anyone that claims the GDP growth now is similar to what Obama had is the true hack and totally has no credibility

Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.6% today

Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 157.9 million today so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017(146 million to 152 million) is celebrated but 6.7 million growth I the last two years isn't!! LOL

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.9% today? Wow!! 2.4% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.2 million today? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs. Part time for economic reason jobs when the recession started 4.8 million, 5.7 million when Obama left office

African American unemployment 8.0% vs. 6.0% today? That explains the surge in support from African Americans for Trump

 

[Thoreau72]

Yes, unmanaged capitalism is indeed the problem. With the key word being "unmanaged", not "capitalism". We lack strategic leadership, which in turn allows capitalism to veer into modes that do not serve society's best interest. That lack of leadership is our fault.

If "our" means US citizens at the voting booth, you're right, but the extenuating circumstance is that our duopoly has long been intellectually and morally bankrupt. The system is rigged, and all it offers us is greedy and arrogant leaders.

Yes, we have capitalism run amok, and I think it descended into fascism years ago. We have been sold out by greedy leaders, and we are guilty of being extremely credulous.

 

[Conservative]

and YOU didn't do it when Obama was in office and still are
again if a Dem President is in office if it is a bad thing happening it is all his fault and if it is a good thing happening he had nothing to do with it
and IF it is a Republican President if something good happens he had everything to do with it and if it is something bad happening he had nothing to do with it
Sorry people you can't have it both ways IF you are going to blame a Dem president for something you have to do the same for Republican President
have a nice day

Post for me where I ever personally attacked Obama? Results matter but not to you, there is nothing independent in anything you post as everything is liberal, whining, complaining, promoting class envy, jealousy, politics of personal destruction. Results matter as does basic civics. Bet you are in a blue state that is a fiscal and social disaster which is prevalent in all Blue states

I blame Obama for economic policies that led to the worst recovery in American history from a major recession and left us with record debt, higher U-6, and more part time employees than the numbers when the recession began thus never getting us back to pre recession levels. I credit Trump for the following results all of which you ignore. Why does everything in your world have to be personal and based upon feelings never results?

DP and Dollar change
2008 14712.8
2009 14448.9
2010 14992.1
GDP dollars and GDP dollar growth, 487 billion growth is what Trump inherited, what was it in 2017-2018-2019?

2011 15,542.6 +804.4
2012 16197.0 +562.4
2013 16784.9 +587.9
2014 17527.3 +652.4
2015 18224.8 +697.5
2016 18715.0 +487.2
2017 19519.4 +804.4
2018 20,580.2 +1060.8
2019 21427.1 +846.9

Then there is this which Trump inherited and the comparison today. Anyone that claims the GDP growth now is similar to what Obama had is the true hack and totally has no credibility

Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.6% today

Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 157.9 million today so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017(146 million to 152 million) is celebrated but 6.7 million growth I the last two years isn't!! LOL

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.9% today? Wow!! 2.4% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.2 million today? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs. Part time for economic reason jobs when the recession started 4.8 million, 5.7 million when Obama left office

African American unemployment 8.0% vs. 6.0% today? That explains the surge in support from African Americans for Trump

 

[Captain Adverse]

There are only 20,000 tested cases. Let's be clear, in this.

So far only 260 have died in the USA as of this date. Coronavirus updates: Millions of Americans are being told to stay home in fight against COVID-19

Meanwhile I'd like to point out again what the reports of cases actually seems to show.

That is this virus affects primarily those over 70 with weakened immune systems (as do most current diseases), and those under 70 with serious lung diseases or otherwise significantly weakened immune systems.

That the vast majority (so far) simply catch what they consider/believe to be a mild to moderate form of the cold or Flu, if they don't notice the specific difference of shortness of breath.

So even factoring the cases by a multiplier of 10 times unreported cases, that would be in the 200,000 currently infected range, but I'd be willing to go up to a 400,000 infected range at this time.

With the increased "isolation" efforts, this could pare down increases by a significant factor as well.

I am not trying to dismiss the issue, but I also don't like alarmism.

 

[Kushinator]

Trump didn't cause the problem

Trump didn't take it seriously until it was too late. It took the stock market losing all the gains during his presidency for him to wake up... not the science behind this situation... but the stock market. Talk about incompetence.

Your ideology is a failure

On the contrary, we are all watching the unraveling of your ideology as it descends into the realm of complete and utter failure. Why don't you put up the poll about Trump and the economy?:lol: It's over conman. Your worthless ideology will be swept away this November, once and for all. It's over... this piece of trash President

 

[Linc]

I know. But there is no "shading" the numbers. It is ugly beyond compare.

We already know trump shades the monthly numbers since they are continually revised to the negative. Because of repubLIEcon sabotage to Obama; because of GOPuke behavior throughout trump; etc.;

No mercy for these bastards. No quarter for these traitors. Treat them as they treated Obama; as they’d treat a Dem President right now. That’s all they understand.

They’ve put my health at risk. I’ll do everything I can to politically eviscerate the gop.

 

[Conservative]

Ignorance of reality is your specialty, Conservative, as you derail every thread into dishonestly representing trump’s flailing and failing economy.

republiecons would prefer to destroy our Nation than admit to trump’s malfeasance and make us whole again.

And in every post I make of OFFICIAL Data it is ignored. Failing economy by whose standards, yours?? You want to talk malfeasance look at your own state and local gov't. The city of Chicago is a nightmare but obviously it makes you feel better to attack Trump and try to divert from that reality

 

[Conservative]

Trump didn't take it seriously until it was too late. It took the stock market losing all the gains during his presidency for him to wake up... not the science behind this situation... but the stock market. Talk about incompetence.



On the contrary, we are all watching the unraveling of your ideology as it descends into the realm of complete and utter failure. Why don't you put up the poll about Trump and the economy?:lol: It's over conman. Your worthless ideology will be swept away this November, once and for all. It's over... this piece of trash President

Again placing blame doesn't solve any problems. I am not watching the unraveling of my ideology, on the contrary, we will recover faster than anything your ideology would ever create. You are simply too immature and arrogant to admit when wrong.

Per your request

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval - Economy

 

[MSgt]

You don't seem to realize that your ideology is placing blame but never accepting responsibility or proposing solutions to any problem. What is your vested interest in getting rid of Trump and who is the alternative?

Blame...as in not merited and earned? We all know your obtuse childish game. From ignoring the tax fiasco he caused by saying "what's wrong with keeping more of your money" to now ignoring Trump's historical record by obtusely demanding "solutions." I have answered your obtuse questions, but I will give you the short list again. And once again you can embarrass yourself and show us your personal need to deny:

- Trump walked away from a billion dollar deal in TPP, only to create a million dollar deal with Japan.

- Trump's Tax-Cut and Jobs Act has proven to have relieved the wealthy elite of paying their taxes. I assume you paid yours for 2018.

- Trump to acknowledge that Trump has long taken undue credit for the economic trend he clearly inherited.

- Trump's war on immigration is clearly a matter of exploiting your emotional irrationality as he sends Marines to fill sandbags.

- Trump's NAFTA reform is going to increase illegal immigration from the car industry, just like NAFTA increase illegal immigration from the farm industry.

- Trump's clear treason over Ukraine was excused by you and your petrified Senators, thus your quest for a "solution" is transparent garbage.

- Trump & Co. routinely denigrates the military that they pretend to support, so that you can pretend too.

- Trump's walking away from the Iran deal and deepening economic sanctions only endangered Israel and pushed Iran closer to China's orbit.

- Trump paraded himself around as peacemaker, North Korea was still developing its missile program.

- Trump's walking away from the Kurds handed the Syrian territory over to Iranian and Russian influence, thus endangering Israel.

- Trump's trade war with China resulted in bailouts to American farmers and a deal that resets us to the beginning.

- Trump cannot maintain a professional core around him because he insists on seeing expertise as a threat to his autocratic ego.

- Trump played down the virus while denigrating the media and Democrats, only to flip-flop and issue an emergency while embracing Democrat plans.

Oh, but...."blame" is my ideology? I blame a piece of **** for being a piece of ****, while you lick that piece of **** like an ice cream cone.

The solutions to the above would have been not to have done them at all, and the solution to Trumps existence is the November election. And there is so much more to his poor leadership, ego-driven decision making processes, and personal scandals. The man can't make a good deal to save his life and has proven that only tearing deals apart is his true talent. For three years, your only strength has been to fudge economic numbers in order cling to Trump's economic lie, ignore foreign policy blunders, ignore his constant denigration of the military, and dismiss the impeachment as just another case where Trump is the victim. I blame what should be blamed. The fact that you actually choose to ignore all of this and pretend that anybody else on the planet would be an improvement show us all exactly who and what you are.

And the very clear thing is this: You gushed undue praise upon the man for the economic trend he inherited, but now seek to remove Trump from the economy as it flails. That is your only worth to the man.

You apparently don't realize that companies employ people and those billion dollar companies employ millions of people and benefit millions of shareholders. My ideology promotes personal responsibility, yours dependence. which one of us is ignorant of reality

It is obnoxiously clear, that you have no ideology and that you are quite probably the most ignorant individual on the site. You only have the idea of an ideology. And despite the many holes we all punch through it, you cling desperately to your delusions. I just embarrassed you again, and your only response will be to deny and re-ask obtuse questions. Or...are you just senile and can't remember when you have kicked the dead horse a few dozen times too many already?

 

[Kushinator]

Then there is this which Trump inherited and the comparison today.

Nominal GDP will fall by roughly $3 trillion for 2020. Trump's economy was based on bastardized Keynesianism. Drive deficits and lower interest rates during good times so that we have little to no ammunition to deal with a real emergency. And now you have it. Unemployment is set to spike above 20% and rGDP will fall by roughly 20%. You must be proud!

 

[Conservative]

Blame...as in not merited and earned? We all know your obtuse childish game. From ignoring the tax fiasco he caused by saying "what's wrong with keeping more of your money" to now ignoring Trump's historical record by obtusely demanding "solutions." I have answered your obtuse questions, but I will give you the short list again. And once again you can embarrass yourself and show us your personal need to deny:

- Trump walked away from a billion dollar deal in TPP, only to create a million dollar deal with Japan.

- Trump's Tax-Cut and Jobs Act has proven to have relieved the wealthy elite of paying their taxes. I assume you paid yours for 2018.

- Trump to acknowledge that Trump has long taken undue credit for the economic trend he clearly inherited.

- Trump's war on immigration is clearly a matter of exploiting your emotional irrationality as he sends Marines to fill sandbags.

- Trump's NAFTA reform is going to increase illegal immigration from the car industry, just like NAFTA increase illegal immigration from the farm industry.

- Trump's clear treason over Ukraine was excused by you and your petrified Senators, thus your quest for a "solution" is transparent garbage.

- Trump & Co. routinely denigrates the military that they pretend to support, so that you can pretend too.

- Trump's walking away from the Iran deal and deepening economic sanctions only endangered Israel and pushed Iran closer to China's orbit.

- Trump paraded himself around as peacemaker, North Korea was still developing its missile program.

- Trump's walking away from the Kurds handed the Syrian territory over to Iranian and Russian influence, thus endangering Israel.

- Trump's trade war with China resulted in bailouts to American farmers and a deal that resets us to the beginning.

- Trump cannot maintain a professional core around him because he insists on seeing expertise as a threat to his autocratic ego.

- Trump played down the virus while denigrating the media and Democrats, only to flip-flop and issue an emergency while embracing Democrat plans.

Oh, but...."blame" is my ideology? I blame a piece of **** for being a piece of ****, while you lick that piece of **** like an ice cream cone.

The solutions to the above would have been not to have done them at all, and the solution to Trumps existence is the November election. And there is so much more to his poor leadership, ego-driven decision making processes, and personal scandals. The man can't make a good deal to save his life and has proven that only tearing deals apart is his true talent. For three years, your only strength has been to fudge economic numbers in order cling to Trump's economic lie, ignore foreign policy blunders, ignore his constant denigration of the military, and dismiss the impeachment as just another case where Trump is the victim. I blame what should be blamed. The fact that you actually choose to ignore all of this and pretend that anybody else on the planet would be an improvement show us all exactly who and what you are.

And the very clear thing is this: You gushed undue praise upon the man for the economic trend he inherited, but now seek to remove Trump from the economy as it flails. That is your only worth to the man.



It is obnoxiously clear, that you have no ideology and that you are quite probably the most ignorant individual on the site. You only have the idea of an ideology. And despite the many holes we all punch through it, you cling desperately to your delusions. I just embarrassed you again, and your only response will be to deny and re-ask obtuse questions.

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval - Economy

Obviously another blue state liberal diverting from your own state problems by blaming the President. Accept your own failures and stop blaming a term limited President

 

[Paradoxical]

"Quickly" is relative. The first case in the USA occurred on January 21,2020. It is now March 21,2020 and there are only 20,000 cases out of a population of 330 million. Coronavirus update: Tax Day, Mexico border, California lockdown, NY

Hardly a major effect so far; not even close to 1% affected as of today. There are also suggestions that as the weather warms up the virus may die down to a seasonal form, much like other viruses (Colds, Flu) which flare up in the cold months.

I prefer to hope for either a cure, or that we adapt to it's seasonal effects much as we've already done with the common cold and the flu, likely through the eventual discovery of treatments similar to Flu shots.

It is a mathematical fact that those who live in cities that are heavily populated in the United States and in the world are more prone to infection. I can almost see them shutting down places like Vegas or major events, but it also a known and provable fact that the most susceptible are the elderly and those with compromised immune systems AND that 97% or MORE do not die from this. In the 1889-90 RUSSIAN flu there was about a million deaths worldwide and it didn't end in one year. It either died out or humanity developed it's own immunity because there was no scientists around then who could come up with a cure in short order.

All we (society) are doing now is keeping the virus at bay by not allowing people to heavily congregate because in close quarters with lots of people, your chances go up exponentially, but this alone will not eradicate Corona Virus. All it will do is to stop a more rapid spread until we can find a vaccine or we find a drug that will kill it if you get it and are in that small group of people who die, since more than 97% of people who get it don't die. I believe that the death rate is lower than 1% because many people had it and didn't know it and never bothered to go to the doctor to get tested, meaning that far more people have/had the Corona Virus and experience just mild symptoms.

Unless we develop a vaccine for this drug and/or a cure, it will come back next November and after that. People are freaking out because of the media hysteria.

 

[Kushinator]

Again placing blame doesn't solve any problems.

This is an election year, and Trump has already blew his load stimulating an already growing economy. Now we have to deal with this reality. It's over conman. Pack your ****... because you and your fellow Trump bots bought a one way ticket to political irrelevance. :2wave:

 

[Conservative]

Nominal GDP will fall by roughly $3 trillion for 2020. Trump's economy was based on bastardized Keynesianism. Drive deficits and lower interest rates during good times so that we have little to no ammunition to deal with a real emergency. And now you have it. Unemployment is set to spike above 20% and rGDP will fall by roughly 20%. You must be proud!

Nominal GDP is irrelevant except in the mind of a book smart street stupid liberal. Trump's economy is based upon allowing people to keep more of what they earn and accepting their own personal responsibility not creating dependence on the gov't which apparently is what you need. The current economy is being hurt by fear of the unknown, not conservative economic policies. Keep focusing on gloom and doom, blaming the President for your own personal failures. You have a vested interest in getting rid of Trump that is self serving as I see someone incapable of competing in the private sector

 

[Paradoxical]

[video=youtube;ch7_t2Ri2Zg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?ch7_t2Ri2Zg[/video]

The richest country in the world needs to rely on fashion designers to sew masks for medical providers.

WHO should make them?

 

[Kushinator]

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval - Economy

Obviously another blue state liberal diverting from your own state problems by blaming the President. Accept your own failures and stop blaming a term limited President

:lamo

Trump is toast in November. It is going to be rather amusing watching the GOP attempt to distance themselves as the election approaches. But by then, it won't matter. The damage is already done, and **** will continue to get worse before it gets better.