Trump Fires Them All

[Fearandloathing]

And good riddance to. :2wave:

As a tax payer and a person saddled with $34,000/ year in health insurance from my provider under the ACA, I am glad I won't have to pay for a person with HIV with my ACA TAX money. Their poor choices no one but them should have to pay for. I lost a health insurance policy back in 1997 while my wife was 7 month pregnant and trust me, you don't forget that. That policy was over 30 years old, and had no life time caps, and it was affordable. It was canceled on 80,000+ policy holders because of the AIDS epidemic back then. Nothing against gay's personally, but I am sick and tired of paying out the nose for a life style choice I consider inappropriate...

So there you have it. Let them pay their own way or suffer the consequences.

You pay that?

I understand how you feel

 

[ultmd]

That's because it never happened. If an insurance company in 1997 just randomly decided to toss 80,000 policy holders out in the street because "da gays", it would have made news, and it would still be accessible online.

He probably lost his insurance, and his rage against "da gays" made him convince himself that it's all their fault.

He also said that "Principle (sic) Insurance" is now "defunked (sic)" because of the ACA. Principal Financial (not "Principle") which used to be Bankers Life, is not only not "defunked" (or defunct, as most people know is the right word), it still provides Medicare supplemental policies, among other things.

But...."the gays".

Yeah, color me skeptical too.

Exactly. And I see he appears to have quietly exited from this discussion, so............I think our skepticism is probably well-founded. Like someone else said, he may have lose his insurance, but it wasn't because of HIV/AIDS. Right-wingers these days are about as blissfully confused and miseducated as at any point in our history.

Why do we need commission dedicated to HIV/AIDS? Do we have commissions dedicated to any of the other far more prevalent causes of death in America?? What is so special about HIV/AIDS that a special gov't commission is needed?? Are there special gov't commissions for heart disease, cancer, chronic lower respiratory diseases, unintentional injuries, and stroke (the top 5)??

I'll answer that question. You need to understand the difference between chronic disease and an epidemic. HIV/AIDS represents the largest and most severe public health epidemic in the HISTORY of the U.S., surpassing the Spanish Flu epidemic of the pre-1920's. So while Cancer, heart disease, "unintentional injury", strokes, diabetes, etc. are definitely more prevalent, they are not diseases that spread by infection. It's really silly to equate ANY infectious disease (like HIV/AIDS) to any kind of chronic illness.

So, now that we've cleared that up..........what is your REAL issue with the HIV/AIDS panel?

 

[faithful_servant]

That you ask questions as your form of argument instead of back up your position shows you don't know what the hell you are talking about.



I answered your question.



Wow... exactly who are you a "faithful servant" to again?

So no answer to my questions and when I offer up a clear, accurate and simple answer to your question, you respond with an insult...

 

[poweRob]

So no answer to my questions and when I offer up a clear, accurate and simple answer to your question, you respond with an insult...

I answered your question. And now you roll out a victim card? Wow. I had no idea you were so fragile. I'll try to be more gentle in the future.

 

[faithful_servant]

I'll answer that question. You need to understand the difference between chronic disease and an epidemic. HIV/AIDS represents the largest and most severe public health epidemic in the HISTORY of the U.S., surpassing the Spanish Flu epidemic of the pre-1920's. So while Cancer, heart disease, "unintentional injury", strokes, diabetes, etc. are definitely more prevalent, they are not diseases that spread by infection. It's really silly to equate ANY infectious disease (like HIV/AIDS) to any kind of chronic illness.

So, now that we've cleared that up..........what is your REAL issue with the HIV/AIDS panel?

But why do we need a political commission to address it? This is a medical issue and as such should treated like a medical issue. Hep C is far more deadly and widespread than HIV/AIDS, yet we have no special commission for it (your statement about HIV/AIDS being the most deadly is incorrect). Additionally, with the newest treatments, HIV/AIDS no longer a guaranteed death sentence, most of the deaths occurring from HIV/AIDS are now older cases which progressed beyond treatment. New cases are far less likely to result in death than they were even 5 years ago. All of this menas that the threat posed by HIV/AIDS in the US is dropping quickly and that's due to MEDICAL efforts, not political efforts.

...and your lame attempt at making it sound like I have some kind of ulterior motive is just plain dumb. I've lost two friends to HIV/AIDS and as a result, I try to stay pretty well educated on the issue.

 

[faithful_servant]

I answered your question. And now you roll out a victim card? Wow. I had no idea you were so fragile. I'll try to be more gentle in the future.

... not fragile, just willing to point out your failures. You got handed a clear and accurate answer that you didn't like and your only response was to throw out insults.

 

[Diving Mullah]

And good riddance to. :2wave:

As a tax payer and a person saddled with $34,000/ year in health insurance from my provider under the ACA, I am glad I won't have to pay for a person with HIV with my ACA TAX money. Their poor choices no one but them should have to pay for. I lost a health insurance policy back in 1997 while my wife was 7 month pregnant and trust me, you don't forget that. That policy was over 30 years old, and had no life time caps, and it was affordable. It was canceled on 80,000+ policy holders because of the AIDS epidemic back then. Nothing against gay's personally, but I am sick and tired of paying out the nose for a life style choice I consider inappropriate...

So there you have it. Let them pay their own way or suffer the consequences.

I totally agree with you...we should do like what Reagan did...don't talk about it, don't acknowledge it. and it will definitely go away. Actually we should do that with all diseases. Just disbanding the CDC. That means more money to blow up brown people and pay the rich!


Diving Mullah

 

[ultmd]

But why do we need a political commission to address it? This is a medical issue and as such should treated like a medical issue. Hep C is far more deadly and widespread than HIV/AIDS, yet we have no special commission for it (your statement about HIV/AIDS being the most deadly is incorrect).

Many reasons, but just a couple of points to start:

1. First, if ANY other infectious disease were epidemic to the levels of the HIV/AIDS epidemic, there would be a "political commission" to address it, as well.
2. Secondly, HIV and HepC share some similarities and some distinct differences. 25% of HepC patients resolve the disease naturally. No one with HIV is ever considered cured (at this point). But it's true that in the vast majority of cases, both types of infections result in chronic, long-term disease with a shortened life-span.
3. Also, because HepC is a different kind of retrovirus, and does NOT integrate itself into the DNA of it's host, it can be cured in some cases.
4. HepC is more prevalent, yes. "More deadly" is a subjective term. I'm not sure what you mean by that. Fact is, HIV is an infection of the blood, while HepC infects primarily just the liver. HIV, left untreated, kills quickly. HepC, left untreated, takes decades (if it kills at all).

So again, I must ask, what is your REAL issue with the HIV/AIDS panel?

Additionally, with the newest treatments, HIV/AIDS no longer a guaranteed death sentence, most of the deaths occurring from HIV/AIDS are now older cases which progressed beyond treatment. New cases are far less likely to result in death than they were even 5 years ago. All of this menas that the threat posed by HIV/AIDS in the US is dropping quickly and that's due to MEDICAL efforts, not political efforts.

I'm well aware of the medical science related to both deseases, but I'm still not sure why you are focused on "political efforts".

..and your lame attempt at making it sound like I have some kind of ulterior motive is just plain dumb. I've lost two friends to HIV/AIDS and as a result, I try to stay pretty well educated on the issue.

I'm asking a question. You're just avoiding it, and I'm wondering why.

 

[faithful_servant]

Many reasons, but just a couple of points to start:

1. First, if ANY other infectious disease were epidemic to the levels of the HIV/AIDS epidemic, there would be a "political commission" to address it, as well.
2. Secondly, HIV and HepC share some similarities and some distinct differences. 25% of HepC patients resolve the disease naturally. No one with HIV is ever considered cured (at this point). But it's true that in the vast majority of cases, both types of infections result in chronic, long-term disease with a shortened life-span.
3. Also, because HepC is a different kind of retrovirus, and does NOT integrate itself into the DNA of it's host, it can be cured in some cases.
4. HepC is more prevalent, yes. "More deadly" is a subjective term. I'm not sure what you mean by that. Fact is, HIV is an infection of the blood, while HepC infects primarily just the liver. HIV, left untreated, kills quickly. HepC, left untreated, takes decades (if it kills at all).

So again, I must ask, what is your REAL issue with the HIV/AIDS panel?




I'm well aware of the medical science related to both deseases, but I'm still not sure why you are focused on "political efforts".



I'm asking a question. You're just avoiding it, and I'm wondering why.

I don't have "REAL" issue with HIV/AIDS, I have an issue with one disease getting all this attention while other, more deadly diseases get none. The question should be "Why not a commission for any of the other, more damaging diseases?"

 

[ultmd]

I don't have "REAL" issue with HIV/AIDS, I have an issue with one disease getting all this attention while other, more deadly diseases get none. The question should be "Why not a commission for any of the other, more damaging diseases?"

Your question has been answered.

Epidemic diseases are COMPLETELY different animals, from a public health policy-making standpoint, than diseases like cancer, or HepC or diabetes.

You just don't understand that, I guess.

 

[faithful_servant]

Your question has been answered.

Epidemic diseases are COMPLETELY different animals, from a public health policy-making standpoint, than diseases like cancer, or HepC or diabetes.

You just don't understand that, I guess.

HepC and HIV/AIDS are both communicable diseases, but HepC is far more widespread and causes more deaths here than HIV/AIDS. So what makes HIV/AIDS so special that it deserves a special commission???