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Trump defends Yovanovitch attack: 'I have freedom of speech'

Trump is an idiot.

He focuses only on what's right in front of him at the moment.

Giuliani told him she would oppose his plans. He smeared and dumped her, as he is wont to do.

He probably never even considered that others might object too.


Oppose what plans? And why would she be involved in any of them anyways?


Good grief, the amount of stupidity I see made up around here is unbelievable.
 
Being smeered by the most powerful man in the world while on the stand against him. That would be chilling to anyone.

Really? Quite frankly, Trump wasn't there, the ONLY reason that the witness had any friggin' idea what the President was tweeting about her is because the Democratic Chair of the committee READ the tweet to her. Trump had no reason to expect that the witness would know of his tweet until AFTER she was done testifying. If any one would be chilled, wouldn't that mean that anyone would recognize it's chilling power? If so, why on Earth would Schiff have read something to the witness that he would have every reason (according to you) to believe would be chillign to that witness?

But the FACT is that the witness was NOT chilled, and in fact said at one point in her testimony that regardless of the smears and insults, it would do nothing to deter her from her work.
 
On a scale of 1 - 10, how big of a snowflake bitch would you have to be to consider a tweet saying someone was bad at their job is witness tampering, harassment and/or a threat?

Asking for a friend.


I’ve got a better question.

What kind of snowflake bitch would be stupid enough to needlessly put himself in a position where that possiibility would even come up?
 
Trump's smearing of her go beyond yesterday's comments.

His remarks about the whistleblower, which like his comments about Yovonavich, serve to intimidate others.

Trump firing Comey in order to stop an investigation, amounts to obstruction of justice. It may not be illegal, due to lack of evidence concerning his intent, but we all know it is true, and we all know it's corrupt as hell.
But, okay. Let's see the list.

How exactly were they meant to intimidate? He was stating opinions. He was not threatening any action against these people, let alone any criminally coercive action.

Trump did not fire Comey to stop any investigation, he stated publicly numerous times that he did not expect that the investigation would stop because he fired Comey, that it may actually result in its duration.

The firing of any Executive branch subordinate REGARDLESS of the "intent" or reason can never be a criminal act on the part of the President, because the ability to fire subordinates is an absolute and unfettered inherent power of his office which may never be limited or proscribed by statute (the Constitution supersedes statutes always). Now, it may constitute an impeachable abuse of power, but it simply cannot be criminalized. This was my whole problem with the Mueller investigation, even if you accepted their theory of various criminal statutes, they were not validly applicable against the President ("corrupt intent" or not) when exercising his inherent Article II powers and therefore should not have been subject to a criminal investigation.
 
Really? Quite frankly, Trump wasn't there, the ONLY reason that the witness had any friggin' idea what the President was tweeting about her is because the Democratic Chair of the committee READ the tweet to her. Trump had no reason to expect that the witness would know of his tweet until AFTER she was done testifying. If any one would be chilled, wouldn't that mean that anyone would recognize it's chilling power? If so, why on Earth would Schiff have read something to the witness that he would have every reason (according to you) to believe would be chillign to that witness?

But the FACT is that the witness was NOT chilled, and in fact said at one point in her testimony that regardless of the smears and insults, it would do nothing to deter her from her work.

Trump’s objective was clearly to try and intimidate. And the witness herself said that it worked.

Trump’s objective is to intimidate the witnesses that are set to testify next week. Primarily, I’m sure, is Gordon Sondland.
 
She received a number of State Dept awards for her work over 33 years. She is now teaching at Georgetown while still a State Dept employee. Not bad recognition & she still has her job. Trump didn't have her fired.

I agree that Trump should not have tweeted this and there was no reason to attack her--even though it was a pretty mild critique. It was uncalled for and unhelpful, but the idea that it was somehow threatening is just absurd.
 
How exactly were they meant to intimidate?

Being smeared by a sitting president from the bully-pulpit is sufficient.

Remember, even the appearance of witness tampering is cautioned against by attorney's, they counsel clients to say *nothing*, and certainly not publicly, and certainly not directly disparaging the witness.

Trump would already have been indicted on this already if DOJ could indict a sitting president...Trump did this before and it's documented in the Mueller report. The fact that Trump cannot be held to account due to presidents being above the law, just encourages that behavior, and his supporters...its a problem that will eventually be remedied one way or another.
 
Trump’s objective was clearly to try and intimidate. And the witness herself said that it worked.
Bull****. Trump had no way of knowing this tweet would be read by Schiff. If you want to charge Trump with witness intimidation then you have to include Schiff as his accomplice.

Trump’s objective is to intimidate the witnesses that are set to testify next week. Primarily, I’m sure, is Gordon Sondland.
Right, because saying you are bad at your job is sooo intimidating lol. Just once I would like to see you guys not go off the deep end when Trump says or does something you dont like.
 
I agree that Trump should not have tweeted this and there was no reason to attack her--even though it was a pretty mild critique. It was uncalled for and unhelpful, but the idea that it was somehow threatening is just absurd.

Trupm has sunk countless Republicans who have spoken out against him, by disparaging them on twitter. The viewership and power of a sitting president, makes this 100x worse.

For Pete's sake, you really would sit idle as a Democrat did this day after day? Please, you'd have taken to the streets by month 3 in protest.
 
Just the sort of thing that Trumpsters say when they’re doing exactly what they’re claiming others are doing.

Trump’s comments are false, vitriolic, vulgar and demeaning.

And you’re right there, singing off the sheet music he handed you to bray!

As for your vulgar claim, she failed her way to a standing ovation yesterday afternoon.

I wouldn't bank a standing "O" from maggots as a high point of my career.
 
I’ve got a better question.

What kind of snowflake bitch would be stupid enough to needlessly put himself in a position where that possiibility would even come up?


Would a soft pillow and a puppy help you get over it?
 
The President didn't send a text message to Marie. He simply commented on her dismal record.
What is that dismal record and what makes it so or you are just swallowing a big load of crap Trump is feeding you?
 
Trump’s objective was clearly to try and intimidate. And the witness herself said that it worked.

Trump’s objective is to intimidate the witnesses that are set to testify next week. Primarily, I’m sure, is Gordon Sondland.


Sounds like I can put you down for a 10?
 
On a scale of 1 - 10, how big of a snowflake bitch would you have to be to consider a tweet saying someone was bad at their job is witness tampering, harassment and/or a threat?

Asking for a friend.
Somebody called you that?
 
Oppose what plans? And why would she be involved in any of them anyways?


Good grief, the amount of stupidity I see made up around here is unbelievable.

She was the ****ing ambassador to ukraine.

Knows all the players and dynamics. Has established relationships.

Only an idiot would exclude her outright.

Oh wait.

Nevermind.
 
You Trumpsters really are pitiful.....

You have no evidence that she was bad at her job. You’re just parroting whatever belligerent made up crap your fool’s gold fuhrer bellows.

Trump said she was bad....all that matters:shrug:
 
Trump defends Yovanovitch attack: 'I have freedom of speech' | TheHill

President Trump on Friday defended his tweet earlier in the day attacking former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch in the middle of her public testimony in the House impeachment hearing, insisting he has the right to speak out.

"I have the right to speak. I have freedom of speech just like other people do," Trump told reporters at the White House after making remarks on a health care initiative, adding that he's "allowed to speak up" if others are speaking about him.
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Pressed on whether his words can be intimidating, as Yovanovitch and Democrats have said, Trump said no. He stated that he had 'freedom of speech' even if his speech is totally inappropriate given the circumstances.

Yes, mr. Trump, even even a president who is corrupt and unfit for office has freedom of speech but he is still corrupt and is still unfit for office
 
She was the ****ing ambassador to ukraine.

Knows all the players and dynamics. Has established relationships.

Only an idiot would exclude her outright.

Oh wait.

Nevermind.


Only an idiot would think a career do nothing diplomat who has over seen the status quo for the past 33 years would be involved in actually getting anything done.
 
Marie Yovanovitch testified that the president had the authority to remove her as ambassador. That is not in dispute. She however asked why she needed to be humiliated as opposed to just removed?

What is enlightening about this affair is what's rising to the surface for all to see, is that apart from Trump's laughable mantra that he was fighting corruption in Ukraine, is that he was trying to FOSTER CORRUPTION in the Ukraine -- for his own personal and financial benefit. Marie Yovanovitch wouldn't play along -- so she had to go.

Comey's firing, for not being nice to Mike Flynn, can be argued as an official act with a corrupt purpose. It would be like a mayor of a city receiving a speeding ticket from a police officer that he has the right to fire -- and firing her so she can't go to court. He has the right to fire but not for a corrupt purpose.

How is Trump trying to foster corruption in Ukraine? Does ANYONE think that the hiring of Hunter Biden a completely unqualified drug addict was for any reason other than to curry favor with his father, an influential senior official in the U.S. Government? I am not a parent, but I can recognize that the overwhelming majority of parents place a higher premium on the well-being and happiness of their children than on their own (look at how many wealthy people have risked jail time to get their children into ivy league schools of late). So of course funneling benefits to the family of a politician is an indirect way of providing benefits to them. That there was nothing "illegal" and that so much of the establishment dismisses it is EXACTLY what Trump refers to as the "swamp" and is the sort of routinely accepted (and defended) corruption that the entrenched political establishment (on a bi-partisan basis) wallows in and the very sort of self-dealing Trump was elected, in part, to go after.

Humiliating someone is not a criminal nor impeachable act.

Comey's firing, again, was an official act, within the absolute discretion of the President under Article II of the Constitution. No statute can criminalize the exercise of an inherent power of the Presidency. It should never have been subject to a criminal investigation by an Executive branch subordinate. If Congress felt like investigating it as a potentially impeachable abuse of power, so be it, but the DoJ is not an investigative arm of the Congress.

In fact, part of the problem is that Congress long ago sought to farm out the investigative function insofar as oversight of the executive to "special" or "independent" actors in the Executive branch (the practical reason was to mask what were often highly partisan investigations which were viewed as such by the public) and to provide a veneer of legitimacy from criminal justice investigatory tactics to what are really political investigations of political differences. It needs to stop.

Watergate at least had some actual criminal acts by the President which were outside the exercise of his inherent powers (active engagement in the cover-up of the Watergate break-in). All of the allegations against this President have been nothing more than efforts to provide a pretext for initiating a process by which subsequent "process crimes" could be further contrived (and even these have been based on paper-thin taffy-pulling of statutes and precedent).

Trump could have flat out ordered an end to the investigations for any reason he wanted. He is the President of the United States, ever single bit of authority that any and ever Executive Branch employee exercises is HIS authority, delegated to them to exercise on HIS behalf. Every bit of prosecutorial discretion that exists is also legitimately exercise by the President.

Now, unless you are going to argue that anytime a President exercises their power in a manner that is to their personal political benefit it is an impeachable abuse of power, you are on very unsound footing. If you ARE going to argue that, I would challenge you to find ANY President in history that has not more often than not exercise their power in a manner to their political benefit at some point in their Presidency.
 
To the morons kissing his ass yes, otherwise it is just his vindictive crap that the degenerates love gobbling up.

Too idiots that don’t respect their bosses....good luck:2wave:
 
That was great yesterday when Schiff had Trumps tweets put up on a white-board right during the Ambassador's testimony.

The entire country could see Trump being the total asshole that he is in real time.

Trump lacks the savvy and intelligence to avoid shooting himself in the foot.
 
I agree that Trump should not have tweeted this and there was no reason to attack her--even though it was a pretty mild critique. It was uncalled for and unhelpful, but the idea that it was somehow threatening is just absurd.

Especially when she went on to admit that none of the smears or other things would stop her from "doing her job".
 
Only an idiot would think a career do nothing diplomat who has over seen the status quo for the past 33 years would be involved in actually getting anything done.

And you got that "do nothing" bit from what conservative outlet again?

Because you and I both know you have no idea whether she was a do nothing or not.
 
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