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trump close to pardoning Michael Flynn

TheDoctorWasIn said:
I'm not at all surprised that you would think that the FBI would say the above.

But they didn't.
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I didn't say they did.
Reread what I wrote:
I said I would be surprised if they admitted to losing Flynn's records.
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
He is trying to withdraw his guilty plea. It is decidedly an open question as to whether the judge will let him.
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His lawyers withdrew his guilt plea, so they did more than try. I didn't say their trying was successful though, did I?
 
A global Pandemic and the President is tweeting about Mike Flynn. Trump has the attention span of a 14 year old.
 
US&THEM said:
A global Pandemic and the President is tweeting about Mike Flynn. Trump has the attention span of a 14 year old.
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Try a 5 year old.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
First, your post was filled with snark, so you’re in no position to talk **** now.

Second, I’m well aware that transitioning/incoming staff consult with their foreign counterparts. That does not include conducting business/negotiating without authority.

Then there’s the whole lying thing, and of course, Flynn’s extracurricular activities that he did not disclose.
Turkey and Michael Flynn: Five things to know | TheHill

Post (w/link) Comey’s statement.
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Fishking said:
Btw, Comey himself said it wasn't obstruction so...another thing you need to get over.
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Wrong/lie.
Fishking said:
This is delicious irony. Comey himself said that in public testimony soooo....how about you just toddle along and embarrass yourself somewhere else.
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Wrong/lie. Continuing to publicly embarrass yourself.
Fishking said:
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I’ll do you one better. Below is a transcript of Comey’s testimony. Nowhere in it does Comey say there was no obstruction by Flynn or Trump.

Chairman BURR. Director Comey, did the President at any time ask you to stop the FBI investigation into Russian involvement in the 2016 U.S. elections?
Director COMEY. Not to my understanding, no.
Chairman BURR. Did any individual working for this Administra- tion, including the Justice Department, ask you to stop the Russian investigation?
Director COMEY. No.
Chairman BURR. Director, when the President requested that you, and I quote, ‘‘let Flynn go,’’ General Flynn had an unreported contact with the Russians, which is an offense. And if press ac- counts are right, there might have been discrepancies between facts and his FBI testimony. In your estimation, was General Flynn at that time in serious legal jeopardy? And in addition to that, do you sense that the President was trying to obstruct justice or just seek for a way for Mike Flynn to save face, given he had already been fired?
Director COMEY. General Flynn at that point in time was in legal jeopardy. There was an open FBI criminal investigation of his statements in connection with the Russian contacts and the con- tacts themselves. And so that was my assessment at the time.
I don’t think it’s for me to say whether the conversation I had with the President was an effort to obstruct. I took it as a very dis- turbing thing, very concerning, but that’s a conclusion I’m sure the special counsel will work towards, to try and understand what the intention was there and whether that’s an offense.
https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-con...ring-with-Former-FBI-Director-James-Comey.pdf

Time for you to toddle along. ;)
 
Mach said:
Deplorable. Abuse of power.
We all knew it was coming. Flynn was under federal investigation for his dealings in Turkey, after having left disgraced from the Obama administration.
Trump knew he was compromised, and still hired him...only to have him commit a needless felony as national security advisor.

Trump's pardon is pure-, political shenanigans...as usual, and as expected. Hurry up Trump, you're gonna have to pardon all your crooks after the election results (either way!!).
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does the president have the ability to pardon?
if he does then it isn't an abuse of power.

throwing out buzz words does not a strong argument make.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Wrong/lie.

Wrong/lie. Continuing to publicly embarrass yourself.

I’ll do you one better. Below is a transcript of Comey’s testimony. Nowhere in it does Comey say there was no obstruction by Flynn or Trump.

Chairman BURR. Director Comey, did the President at any time ask you to stop the FBI investigation into Russian involvement in the 2016 U.S. elections?
Director COMEY. Not to my understanding, no.
Chairman BURR. Did any individual working for this Administra- tion, including the Justice Department, ask you to stop the Russian investigation?
Director COMEY. No.
Chairman BURR. Director, when the President requested that you, and I quote, ‘‘let Flynn go,’’ General Flynn had an unreported contact with the Russians, which is an offense. And if press ac- counts are right, there might have been discrepancies between facts and his FBI testimony. In your estimation, was General Flynn at that time in serious legal jeopardy? And in addition to that, do you sense that the President was trying to obstruct justice or just seek for a way for Mike Flynn to save face, given he had already been fired?
Director COMEY. General Flynn at that point in time was in legal jeopardy. There was an open FBI criminal investigation of his statements in connection with the Russian contacts and the con- tacts themselves. And so that was my assessment at the time.
I don’t think it’s for me to say whether the conversation I had with the President was an effort to obstruct. I took it as a very dis- turbing thing, very concerning, but that’s a conclusion I’m sure the special counsel will work towards, to try and understand what the intention was there and whether that’s an offense.
https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-con...ring-with-Former-FBI-Director-James-Comey.pdf

Time for you to toddle along. ;)
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YOu didn't read what you posted did you? Comey just in what you quoted testified there was no obstruction.
that was pretty easy to read.

Director COMEY. Not to my understanding, no.
Chairman BURR. Did any individual working for this Administra- tion, including the Justice Department, ask you to stop the Russian investigation?
Director COMEY. No.
Chairman BURR. Director, when the President requested that you, and I quote, ‘‘let Flynn go,’’ General Flynn had an unreported contact with the Russians, which is an offense. And if press ac- counts are right, there might have been discrepancies between facts and his FBI testimony. In your estimation, was General Flynn at that time in serious legal jeopardy? And in addition to that, do you sense that the President was trying to obstruct justice or just seek for a way for Mike Flynn to save face, given he had already been fired?
Director COMEY. General Flynn at that point in time was in legal jeopardy. There was an open FBI criminal investigation of his statements in connection with the Russian contacts and the con- tacts themselves. And so that was my assessment at the time.
I don’t think it’s for me to say whether the conversation I had with the President was an effort to obstruct.

what do we know about Comey?
he is a lying sack of crap that should be in jail like other people are for the same crimes.

DOJ watchdog says Comey violated FBI policies | TheHill
A scathing report released Thursday by the Justice Department’s Office of Inspector General found former FBI Director James Comey violated bureau policies and his employment agreement with his handling of official memos.

The investigation concerned memos detailing Comey’s interactions and conversations with President Trump.

“We conclude that Comey’s retention, handling, and dissemination of certain Memos violated Department and FBI policies, and his FBI Employment Agreement,” the report states. It noted that “much of the content of the Memos was directly tied to FBI investigative activities.”

to bad the IG doesn't have investigative powers.

same goes for McCabe.
 
Fishking said:
Let's have some more pearl clutching. As a an advisor for the President-elect, it was his job to calm tensions that were needlessly and spitefully increased by Obama, just days before he left office. A perfectly reasonable thing to do. The only thing he did wrong was lie about it, which obviously was not an acceptable thing to do. It's just not the end of the world like you Neo-McCarthyists are trying to make it out to be.

Btw, Comey himself said it wasn't obstruction so...another thing you need to get over.
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You have to realize taht these people do not care about facts.
 
ludin said:
does the president have the ability to pardon?
if he does then it isn't an abuse of power.throwing out buzz words does not a strong argument make.
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Abuse of power by definition involved a power the official has. Abuse of THEIR POWER, is precisely that.

Why are you so wrong in everything you post? Poor Conservatives, built an entire party on falsity, all to give corporations/wealthy big tax cuts.
 
Mach said:
Abuse of power by definition involved a power the official has. Abuse of THEIR POWER, is precisely that.

Why are you so wrong in everything you post? Poor Conservatives, built an entire party on falsity, all to give corporations/wealthy big tax cuts.
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Abuse of power or abuse of authority, in the form of "malfeasance in office" or "official misconduct", is the commission of an unlawful act, done in an official capacity, which affects the performance of official duties.

There is no malfeasance in office or official misconduct going on. Trump is allowed to pardon people.
why are you so wrong on everything you post?

you have no clue what the words you are using even mean.
as i said using buzz words does not a strong argument make.

you really should look up the definition of what you are saying and look to see if it fits in your argument.
as we can see here it does not.
 
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ludin said:
YOu didn't read what you posted did you? Comey just in what you quoted testified there was no obstruction.
that was pretty easy to read.

Director COMEY. Not to my understanding, no.
Chairman BURR. Did any individual working for this Administra- tion, including the Justice Department, ask you to stop the Russian investigation?
Director COMEY. No.
Chairman BURR. Director, when the President requested that you, and I quote, ‘‘let Flynn go,’’ General Flynn had an unreported contact with the Russians, which is an offense. And if press ac- counts are right, there might have been discrepancies between facts and his FBI testimony. In your estimation, was General Flynn at that time in serious legal jeopardy? And in addition to that, do you sense that the President was trying to obstruct justice or just seek for a way for Mike Flynn to save face, given he had already been fired?
Director COMEY. General Flynn at that point in time was in legal jeopardy. There was an open FBI criminal investigation of his statements in connection with the Russian contacts and the con- tacts themselves. And so that was my assessment at the time.
I don’t think it’s for me to say whether the conversation I had with the President was an effort to obstruct.

what do we know about Comey?
he is a lying sack of crap that should be in jail like other people are for the same crimes.

DOJ watchdog says Comey violated FBI policies | TheHill
A scathing report released Thursday by the Justice Department’s Office of Inspector General found former FBI Director James Comey violated bureau policies and his employment agreement with his handling of official memos.

The investigation concerned memos detailing Comey’s interactions and conversations with President Trump.

“We conclude that Comey’s retention, handling, and dissemination of certain Memos violated Department and FBI policies, and his FBI Employment Agreement,” the report states. It noted that “much of the content of the Memos was directly tied to FBI investigative activities.”

to bad the IG doesn't have investigative powers.

same goes for McCabe.
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Take reading comprehension courses.

At no point did Comey say there wasn’t obstruction, as fishking falsely asserted.

Comey very specifically said “I don’t think it’s for me to say”.
 
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