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Trump clashes with Pelosi, Schumer on border security

Is the Wall worth shutting down the US government?

  • Yes

    Votes: 11 26.2%
  • No

    Votes: 29 69.0%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other - see post below

    Votes: 2 4.8%

  • Total voters
    42
It also let's us know how many of our federal employees are deemed to be 'non-essential' but will (must?) be paid for not working.

You would be amazed at some of what is considered "essential", such as certain cafeteria workers. It's nuts... More than a few who get sent home with pay love it. I wonder why.
 
The problem here is that Trump has stated he won't sign any bill agreed to in Congress unless it funds his wall. Period. So Pelosi, Schumer and all other congressional members are doing their job. It's Trump who will put thousands of Americans out of work and stop paying thousands more unless he gets his 2000 mile Monument to Stupidity.

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So 64 Million americans don't think it's stupid.They voted for it as Trump's biggest pledge.
Take California out of the Popular vote and Trump beat Hillary quite handidly.
Hillary got around 4.5 Million more votes than Trump in California.
 
You would be amazed at some of what is considered "essential", such as certain cafeteria workers. It's nuts... More than a few who get sent home with pay love it. I wonder why.

Chow must be provided for those essential federal workers in their building because otherwise they would have to *gasp* bring their own lunch to work, order carryout or waste much of their lunch (hour?) break commuting to/from a restaurant.
 
Yeah. But the southern one with Mexico is the one we're talking about.
It's ridiculous to suggest a wall that's extremely hard to go over or crawl under wouldn't stop people from going over or crawling under it.
Those other things should be done but it should be obvious that stopping them beforehand needs to happen because those other things won't be done for reasons equally obvious.
Are you seriously suggesting a wall will have no effect on illegal southern border entry?

What's ridiculous is a single line defense when what we need is a defense in depth as noted above. A second point of ridiculousness is that there are cheaper, more effective measures that should be taken first before building a $50B white elephant of dubious effectiveness.

Besides, why is Trump demanding Americans pay for it when he promised the Mexicans would do so?
 
So 64 Million americans don't think it's stupid.They voted for it as Trump's biggest pledge.
Take California out of the Popular vote and Trump beat Hillary quite handidly.
Hillary got around 4.5 Million more votes than Trump in California.

Are you saying 128 million Americans do think it's stupid? Just so we're clear, most Americans agree national security and controlling immigration are important issues. Unlike Trump's lies about it, the problem isn't if a person is for or against but how best to handle the situation. I prefer a defense in depth along with legislation and enforcement making it illegal to hire, harbor or otherwise encourage illegal immigration. Why aren't we doing this first?


https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...-poll-want-trump-to-compromise-on-border-wall
An NPR/PBS Newshour/Marist Poll released early Tuesday found that 57 percent of respondents said Trump should compromise on the border wall, compared to 36 percent who believe he should remain firm in his demands, even if it means shutting down part of the government.
 
Chow must be provided for those essential federal workers in their building because otherwise they would have to *gasp* bring their own lunch to work, order carryout or waste much of their lunch (hour?) break commuting to/from a restaurant.

I made a joke of it, but can you imagine if all of the bureaucrats that work in the Pentagon tried to drive offsite for lunch or order pizza delivery? Chaos.
 
Yeah, maybe we could continue just paying for those illegals when they come over the border. Now that's smart money isn't it? Huh, isn't it? SMH

Disagreed. I think it's wrong to pay people to break the law. However, instead of chasing 11 million illegals around the country while employers and apartment renters get off scot free, we should be arresting those that support illegal immigration by hiring, renting to or otherwise encouraging immigrants to stay in the US illegally.
 
I made a joke of it, but can you imagine if all of the bureaucrats that work in the Pentagon tried to drive offsite for lunch or order pizza delivery? Chaos.

This just in: Trump signs government contract with Dominos!!! /joke

BTW, back in 1990, several news agencies figured the WH and Pentagon were preparing a military response to Saddam's attack on Kuwait because of the high number of pizza orders for both buildings.
 
Link? First, unemployment is only two years. Yes, Obama extended it for two which I think was a big mistake, but 8? Is that state unemployment or are you claiming it's federal? If federal, why hasn't the Republican WH, Republican Senate and Republican House put a stop to it?

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Not one person for 8 years, just high number of folks getting it for 8 years


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Not one person for 8 years, just high number of folks getting it for 8 years


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So lots of people have been on unemployment for 8 years? Disagreed but still waiting for your links and/or references.

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What it actually does do (among other things) is give a lot of government workers free time off. They'll get paid anyway. The roads in the DC metro area will be easier for others to commute on.

I'm not sure why this works as a tactic(?).

On the Trump/Pelosi/Schumer thing - it really looked like Trump got pwnd bad. I didn't expect that.

Trump got pwnd? You must’ve only watched the MSMs cut a snip coverage.
Trump said he’s building the wall, what part was he pwnd?
He could use military funding to build it!


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Trump got pwnd? You must’ve only watched the MSMs cut a snip coverage.
Trump said he’s building the wall, what part was he pwnd?
He could use military funding to build it!


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Because he looked like a selfish assclown when he claimed he didn't care if the House and Senate agreed upon a budget, that if his wall wasn't in the budget he'd shut down the government for Christmas. Trump also volunteered to take the entire hit for the government shutdown, something the Republicans will not only let him have, but add to the stack of reasons to force him to resign.

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Have their been any hearings, any investigation any reports that say what the major problems are with illegal migration and the best way to handle them? I think not. What we have is Trump coming up with an attractive campaign slogan, “A wall that Mexico will pay for”, with nothing more. Therefore this ”Pharoh’s Tomb” must be built. Unless you support it, you are for open borders, terrorism and disease.

Best part is that, in apparent news to the agencies who should know about it, we have already caught ten terrorists. Said so right there on Trump’s index card.

This passes for MAGA?
 
What it actually does do (among other things) is give a lot of government workers free time off. They'll get paid anyway. The roads in the DC metro area will be easier for others to commute on.

I'm not sure why this works as a tactic(?).

On the Trump/Pelosi/Schumer thing - it really looked like Trump got pwnd bad. I didn't expect that.

It may work as a tactic since there has been so few of them since 1976. If I remember right we had 14 in a ten year period, the 4 since then. People I think when they hear government shutdown thinks everything comes to a halt. The world stops spinning. Us old foggies who been through a bunch know differently. Usually no one can tell if their honest. But when it comes to partisan politics or blaming the other party, honesty is no where to be found.

Americans are pretty much evenly divided on the wall. 51% for, 48% against. But that poll was taken way back in June. A lot has changed since then. I haven't seen any newer poll.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-ne...er-sharp-divides-over-immigration-separation/

Trump doesn't need Pelosi until January when the Democrats take over the House. Schumer is probably different. He can filibuster the any bill with the wall in it, requiring 60 votes for cloture. Both Pelosi and Schumer know Trump is up against a time limit. Come next year, he can kiss his wall goodbye. If I were a Democrat and against the wall, knowing the House is all Democratic next year, I think I'd tell Trump to stick it where the sun don't shine on cooperation.

But I would also tend to keep quiet on this and let time slip away. Trump may not be liked by a majority of Americans, but his favorable rating is much higher than either Pelosi and Schumer's. Making this battle between Trump and Pelosi would probably give Trump a slight advantage.
 
Have their been any hearings, any investigation any reports that say what the major problems are with illegal migration and the best way to handle them? I think not. What we have is Trump coming up with an attractive campaign slogan, “A wall that Mexico will pay for”, with nothing more. Therefore this ”Pharoh’s Tomb” must be built. Unless you support it, you are for open borders, terrorism and disease.

Best part is that, in apparent news to the agencies who should know about it, we have already caught ten terrorists. Said so right there on Trump’s index card.

This passes for MAGA?

Yes because MAGA is whatever Trump says it is. :)
 
So lots of people have been on unemployment for 8 years? Disagreed but still waiting for your links and/or references.

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Ok, sorry you’re not understanding this, I’m not saying folks on a per person got unemployment insurance payments for 8 years, I’m saying for 8 years we had the highest unemployment rate and most unemployed folks got unemployment insurance ( not each person got it for 8 years).


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Because he looked like a selfish assclown when he claimed he didn't care if the House and Senate agreed upon a budget, that if his wall wasn't in the budget he'd shut down the government for Christmas. Trump also volunteered to take the entire hit for the government shutdown, something the Republicans will not only let him have, but add to the stack of reasons to force him to resign.

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Didn’t look selfish to us conservatives, looks like we finally got a republican with balls to finally stand up to the idiot liberals. We all were cheering Trump on, GO TRUMP.


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It may work as a tactic since there has been so few of them since 1976. If I remember right we had 14 in a ten year period, the 4 since then. People I think when they hear government shutdown thinks everything comes to a halt. The world stops spinning. Us old foggies who been through a bunch know differently. Usually no one can tell if their honest. But when it comes to partisan politics or blaming the other party, honesty is no where to be found.

Americans are pretty much evenly divided on the wall. 51% for, 48% against. But that poll was taken way back in June. A lot has changed since then. I haven't seen any newer poll.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-ne...er-sharp-divides-over-immigration-separation/

Trump doesn't need Pelosi until January when the Democrats take over the House. Schumer is probably different. He can filibuster the any bill with the wall in it, requiring 60 votes for cloture. Both Pelosi and Schumer know Trump is up against a time limit. Come next year, he can kiss his wall goodbye. If I were a Democrat and against the wall, knowing the House is all Democratic next year, I think I'd tell Trump to stick it where the sun don't shine on cooperation.

But I would also tend to keep quiet on this and let time slip away. Trump may not be liked by a majority of Americans, but his favorable rating is much higher than either Pelosi and Schumer's. Making this battle between Trump and Pelosi would probably give Trump a slight advantage.

I don't have any polls per se, but here's something.
But not only do most Americans oppose risking a government shutdown over a wall, but more than two-thirds (69 percent) do not believe building a wall should even be an immediate priority for Congress. That includes half who do not believe it should be a priority at all.

https://northcountrypublicradio.org...promise-on-border-wall-amid-possible-shutdown

I'm not sure, but it seems to me that now that we don't have the GOP news media and Trump 24/7 fearmongering about the migrant invaders, things have calmed a bit. That fearmongering stopped as soon as the midterms were history.

Edit: I'm not even sure Trump can get his wall funding through the House while the GOP has it.
 
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Trump has done more to fix what Obama and the Democrats broke in record time.
Fixed the Isis situation.The Economy.All those snarky Rules & regulations that cost
americans huge electricity bills.Plus Small business.Got us freed-up from this Global
Cabal that has literally Ruined Britain,Germany and France.
Off shore big money is now willing to gamble on this Country.
However California is Lost.It's gone.Those voting Nixon and Reagan where a Sunny Bright
day was ever-present and anticipated in California.Now California is a Hell hole like Newark
and Detroit.People are fleeing the nutty state run by incompetent.selfish Democrats.

Thanks for the talking points. Ping me when Mexico pays for the wall like Trump promised.
 
Are you saying 128 million Americans do think it's stupid? Just so we're clear, most Americans agree national security and controlling immigration are important issues. Unlike Trump's lies about it, the problem isn't if a person is for or against but how best to handle the situation. I prefer a defense in depth along with legislation and enforcement making it illegal to hire, harbor or otherwise encourage illegal immigration. Why aren't we doing this first?


https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...-poll-want-trump-to-compromise-on-border-wall
An NPR/PBS Newshour/Marist Poll released early Tuesday found that 57 percent of respondents said Trump should compromise on the border wall, compared to 36 percent who believe he should remain firm in his demands, even if it means shutting down part of the government.

I dunno what yer stumble bumbing on about.All Dems talk about is Going after
Trump and making sure Illegals are given safe passage into America and then Dem
Sanctuary cities.Dems can't talk about Jobs just Pathetic Public schools to make sure
and keep Americans dumbed-down.Or idiotic notions like Global Warming.Just had one of
The Coldest Thanksgivings on record.Trump is getting things done for a Better Country.
Jobs and the Economy and making sure we have a strong Military.
That is a Presidents Most important duty.To Protect America and Americans.
Obama and Hillary did the exact opposite.Benghazi was the proof.They had to Lie about that
like it was a Cartoon.
 
I dunno what yer stumble bumbing on about....

Is it because you don't want to know or are unable to know? You said:
So 64 Million americans don't think it's stupid.They voted for it as Trump's biggest pledge.
Take California out of the Popular vote and Trump beat Hillary quite handidly.
Hillary got around 4.5 Million more votes than Trump in California.
Just under 129 million Americans voted in 2016 but that's only 58% of the total number of eligible voters meaning there are about 222M voters in the US with only 64M of them, by your own claim, supporting the wall.
 
Thanks for the talking points. Ping me when Mexico pays for the wall like Trump promised.

Sorry to break it to ya.But the issue is not that Trump Once said that we'll have
mexico pay for the wall.That's Old news.Old hat.There is no Reasonable or rational
reason for 2 sick puppies like Dem Leaders Pelosi and Schumer NOT going along with a mere
$ 5 Billion for a Border wall.The only reason they are pulling this Publicity stunt is to
act like they have power.In fact,that is their entire reason for being Politicians.
To prove how they can bend and shape this country into whatever Big Brother
gummybear they choose.
They think { always do } that they have Trump on the ropes over this " Mexico will
pay for it " comment.Americans know the truly important thing here.That we must have
a Wall { since a fence and border security Hasn't worked }.
The Obama style of approaching politics was just mouthing platitudes and blaming
others.Being The Biggest Presidential Demogogue in American History.Getting almost
nothing accomplished for the betterment of Joe American.Just Obama's Political
cronies.Like Silicon Valley and certain Banks and the Uber powerful like in the media
and Hollywood.
 
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Didn’t look selfish to us conservatives, looks like we finally got a republican with balls to finally stand up to the idiot liberals. We all were cheering Trump on, GO TRUMP.


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Define "us conservatives" since I'm both conservative and a retired Naval officer from a family of career military members yet I think the Wall is a bad and inefficient strategy. There are better ones as I've posted several times before.

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Sorry to break it to ya.But the issue is not that Trump Once said that we'll have
mexico pay for the wall.That's Old news....

Agreed, we all know Trump is a big fat blowhard and liar. Old news. So you now think the American taxpayers should fully fund this wall like Trump does?
 
Sorry to break it to ya.But the issue is not that Trump Once said that we'll have
mexico pay for the wall.That's Old news.Old hat.There is no Reasonable or rational
reason for 2 sick puppies like Dem Leaders Pelosi and Schumer going along with a mere
$ 5 Billion for a Border wall.The only reason they are pulling this Publicity stunt is to
act like they have power.In fact,that is their entire reason for being Politicians.
To prove how they can bend and shape this country into whatever Big Brother
gummybear they choose.
They think { always do } that they have Trump on the ropes over this " Mexico will
pay for it " comment.Americans know the truly important thing here.That we must have
a Wall { since a fence and border security Hasn't worked }.
The Obama style of approaching politics was just mouthing platitudes and blaming
others.Being The Biggest Presidential Demogogue in American History.Getting almost
nothing accomplished for the betterment of Joe American.Just Obama's Political
cronies.Like Silicon Valley and certain Banks and the Uber powerful like in the media
and Hollywood.

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