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um, my mother is gone too..she paid in as well...so, your point? I don't get Social Security, so the one who owes her a thank you is YOU....and you owe me a thank you because you can actually collect your check, because I pay social security...without that..you would have zero.

LOL, is that the intent of SS when it was created?? NO, your ignorance continues to have no ending. Why don't you take all your contributions to SS and Medicare along with your employers put them into an investment calculator and see how much your investment would have grown over the life of your employment. You are just too full of hatred of your own life and problems to grasp the reality of the end result and the fact that is your money. Keep reaching out and blaming others as I know that makes you feel better but the reality is your money in SS and Medicare is being borrowed by the federal bureaucrats to fund general budget items and that reality escapes you so you take it out on recipients of SS and Medicare for expecting their own money in return
 
let the rest of us know when you stop depending on welfare....

We all will recognize if and when you grow up and understand the difference between welfare and getting your own money back. Ooops, when I said we all, I should have corrected that to mean most of us excluding you
 
I don't hate anyone...especially people who have issues and cannot deal with being slapped back at with the treatment they love to dish out. It is a shame that you as an American think that only Conservatives count in this country....for the rest of us...we see the US as a whole...and that every citizen has an equal right and counts just as much as you.

Conservatives are the only ones that count on this country, count on pointing out the Constitution, requirements of the state and local governments, and the current ideology of today's democratic party, politics of personal destruction, blame placing, class envy, jealousy, hatred, and pure ignorance of almost every issue by people like you.
 
We all will recognize if and when you grow up and understand the difference between welfare and getting your own money back. Ooops, when I said we all, I should have corrected that to mean most of us excluding you

grow up? I am not a child. My oldest son is a 30 year old combat veteran of Afghanistan. So, perhaps your age is getting in the way of your ability to reason.
 
I wasn't FORCED to collect my SS and Medicare I was FORCED to contribute MY money and employers to SS and Medicare. You cannot seem to grasp that concept and believe it should be my responsibility to give my money to a bureaucrat in DC to be used at their discretion and used on things like the Vietnam War and then never pay back the borrowed funds with people like you demanding higher taxes. Your ignorance is staggering

When you talk about being greedy, I find it interesting that people in Blue states had no problem deducting your high state and local taxes from your federal returns, sounds like a little greed to me as well as ignorance as to the taxes you pay and their purpose.

People working for minimum wage are who??? How many are young kids staying at home, how many are making minimum wage for more than 90 days? How many are head of households? You have no problem applying your own principles to everyone else ignoring the context of anything you post. If someone is making minimum wage for over 90 days they are probably being paid too much at minimum wage. You don't seem to understand incentive and personal responsibility at all
well if you were not forced on to SS why did you say you were in your post 775?
you really have to get out and look around there are alot of people working at min wage NOT just kids
and there are people that are working at not much more then Min wage
Have a nice day
 
Conservatives are the only ones that count on this country, count on pointing out the Constitution, requirements of the state and local governments, and the current ideology of today's democratic party, politics of personal destruction, blame placing, class envy, jealousy, hatred, and pure ignorance of almost every issue by people like you.

No, Conservatives aren't the only ones who count in this country...you have a lot to learn in life...it is incredible that you still fail to understand that Constitution applies to EVERYONE, not just those you agree with....and citizens, Democrat, Conservative or even Communist for that matter all have an equal voice.
 
grow up? I am not a child. My oldest son is a 30 year old combat veteran of Afghanistan. So, perhaps your age is getting in the way of your ability to reason.

My oldest is 47 and I served during the Vietnam War, my father was at Pearl Harbor, and wife's father was at Normandy and we all learned to accept personal responsibilities and to not blame others for poor choices we make or made. I see no evidence that you know how to reason when you call someone taking their own money welfare. That is pure ignorance
 
My oldest is 47 and I served during the Vietnam War, my father was at Pearl Harbor, and wife's father was at Normandy and we all learned to accept personal responsibilities and to not blame others for poor choices we make or made. I see no evidence that you know how to reason when you call someone taking their own money welfare. That is pure ignorance

you aren't taking your own money....your money was already spent...you are effectively taking MY money, not yours....at least now you admit you are a closet socialist. Personal responsibility would be not taking the check period.
 
70% of working Americans live pay check to paycheck....most don't even have $500 extra to pay for an unexpected emergency.

Those aren't teens Con...those are working adults with children.
You do know everything you just said will go way over his head
I think he believes that there are no such people out there working like that just to survive and even if there is they should pay more in taxes so the rich and large corps don't have to
Have a nice day
 
well if you were not forced on to SS why did you say you were in your post 775?
you really have to get out and look around there are alot of people working at min wage NOT just kids
and there are people that are working at not much more then Min wage
Have a nice day

What the hell are you talking about, I was forced into SS and Medicare and to contribute for 35 years, have your kids try to opt out when they start their jobs. We have a work force of 164 million, 542,000 are being paid the federal minimum wage. You obviously as usual have no idea what you are talking about nor the fact that states have the authority to set their own minimum wages yet all you do is show ignorance about the role of the state and local governments

Characteristics of minimum wage workers, 2017 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
 
No, Conservatives aren't the only ones who count in this country...you have a lot to learn in life...it is incredible that you still fail to understand that Constitution applies to EVERYONE, not just those you agree with....and citizens, Democrat, Conservative or even Communist for that matter all have an equal voice.

Why don't you read the Constitution instead of making a fool of yourself here. Anything not in that Constitution is state and local gov't responsibilities something you and your radical friends don't understand. Equal voice? You have the right to say whatever you want and making a complete fool of yourself. Great job!!
 
you aren't taking your own money....your money was already spent...you are effectively taking MY money, not yours....at least now you admit you are a closet socialist. Personal responsibility would be not taking the check period.

LOL, so someone else is NOW taking my money, was that the intent when it was established? Do you know what a Ponzi scheme is?? This argument of yours is getting old and based up total and complete stupidity of the program that FDR set up. How it has evolved over the years and how willing you are to give bureaucrats more money to waste on their programs not yours
 
Yep, and you apparently have no understanding as to the concept of those contributions being YOUR money. Your support for massive central gov't control is on full display

How do you go through life this ignorant? Medicare is not a savings plan. When you were paying into it like some kind of savings plan, you paid for recipients at the time. Now, current workers are paying for you. It's a wealth transfer. It's no more your money than what you in an insurance premium is your money.
 
What the hell are you talking about, I was forced into SS and Medicare and to contribute for 35 years, have your kids try to opt out when they start their jobs. We have a work force of 164 million, 542,000 are being paid the federal minimum wage. You obviously as usual have no idea what you are talking about nor the fact that states have the authority to set their own minimum wages yet all you do is show ignorance about the role of the state and local governments

Characteristics of minimum wage workers, 2017 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
what is it? in one post you say you were FORCED it take your SS and then you say you weren't now you are changing it and saying you were forced into SS
Do you even know what you want to say
Figure it out and get back to us right now you are really messed up
Have a nice day
 
How do you go through life this ignorant? Medicare is not a savings plan. When you were paying into it like some kind of savings plan, you paid for recipients at the time. Now, current workers are paying for you. It's a wealth transfer. It's no more your money than what you in an insurance premium is your money.

Who said Medicare was a savings Plan?? You think private insurance premiums are savings plans? Stop the leftwing bull**** and answer the damn question, is it welfare to get your own money back that you were forced to contribute to for 35 Years. Please tell me this is an act and you really aren't this stupid? yes, current workers are paying me just like I paid for workers in the past. What gives you or anyone else the right to tell us whose money we are receiving after 35 years of contributions? Do you have a clue what program FDR created? Do you know what a retirement supplement is??
 
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what is it? in one post you say you were FORCED it take your SS and then you say you weren't now you are changing it and saying you were forced into SS
Do you even know what you want to say
Figure it out and get back to us right now you are really messed up
Have a nice day

NO, I was forced OFF my insurance plan and into Medicare. Your arguments are typical leftwing bull**** as you believe you are entitled to someone else's earnings and contributions.
 
NO, I was forced OFF my insurance plan and into Medicare. Your arguments are typical leftwing bull**** as you believe you are entitled to someone else's earnings and contributions.

No, actually you weren't...you can keep your private insurance...you just have to pay your premium and then Medicare is secondary.
 
No, actually you weren't...you can keep your private insurance...you just have to pay your premium and then Medicare is secondary.

No, you don't keep your private insurance you go on COBRA, why should I keep my private insurance when I paid PREMIUMS to Medicare for 35 years and never used those?
 
No, actually you weren't...you can keep your private insurance...you just have to pay your premium and then Medicare is secondary.

He has no idea what he is talking about
first he was forced on to SS
then he says he was forced into it
then he says he was forced OFF his ins.
man he is really messed up
Good luck with him
and have a nice afternoon
 
No, you don't keep your private insurance you go on COBRA, why should I keep my private insurance when I paid PREMIUMS to Medicare for 35 years and never used those?

you can call your insurance company and turn it into a private plan...it is just much more expensive.
 
He has no idea what he is talking about
first he was forced on to SS
then he says he was forced into it
then he says he was forced OFF his ins.
man he is really messed up
Good luck with him
and have a nice afternoon

Oh I know...I am about to go back to stripping paint off this wainscoting in my home...driving me more bananas than he is.
 
Who said Medicare was a savings Plan?? You think private insurance premiums are savings plans? Stop the leftwing bull**** and answer the damn question, is it welfare to get your own money back that you were forced to contribute to for 35 Years.

You are not getting your money back. Your money when you were working paid for Medicare beneficiaries at the time. Similarly, taxpayers now are paying for your Medicare benefits. It is a wealth transfer just like every other social program is.

Please tell me this is an act and you really aren't this stupid? yes, current workers are paying me just like I paid for workers in the past. What gives you or anyone else the right to tell us whose money we are receiving after 35 years of contributions? Do you have a clue what program FDR created? Do you know what a retirement supplement is??

FDR did not create Medicare. It was signed into law by LBJ. A Medicare Supplement is a supplementary insurance to Medicare that pays for the out of pocket fees that Medicare doesn't pay for. Medicare is just like any other insurance policy in this regard (actually its far more generous than most insurance policies today are). However, because your healthcare utilization is much higher in retirement than it is when you are younger, many beneficiaries carry a supplement to pay for their out of pocket expenses.

Let's say we didn't have Medicare. And you got to keep the 1.4% or so of your salary that went to the Medicare program. So you could invest that, just save it, whatever you wanted. You turn 65, what do you think your health insurance premiums on the private market would be?

At 65, assuming you were fairly healthy, you would be looking at around 25k a year. By the time you were 70, your risk to an insurer would mean your health insurance premiums would be around 35k a year. By age 75, they would be over 50k a year, by age 80, they would easily be over 80k a year due to the extremely high risk you would pose the insurers. A 70 year old to a health insurer is the same kind of risk a guy with 5 DUIs is to an Auto Insurer. Now the only way an insurer could lower your premiums would be if they were allowed to have an annual cap for what they could be out should you get sick.

Are you saying that had the government allowed you to keep your 1.4% of taxes that went into the Medicare program, you could have saved enough money to be totally self sufficient, to pay for your own subsidized health coverage in the private market once you hit retirement?
 
you can call your insurance company and turn it into a private plan...it is just much more expensive.

You know he does have a point.

Well, he has as much of a point as someone who asks "Why should I have to pay life insurance premiums so that I will get more than the minimum government benefits when I paid them for years and didn't die." does.
 
you can call your insurance company and turn it into a private plan...it is just much more expensive.

I can also use the premiums I paid and the supplemental payments for Medicare which I contributed to for 35 years. IF I want to help someone else with their retirement and insurance why should I give the money to a federal bureaucrat to spend it the way they want?
 
You are not getting your money back. Your money when you were working paid for Medicare beneficiaries at the time. Similarly, taxpayers now are paying for your Medicare benefits. It is a wealth transfer just like every other social program is.



FDR did not create Medicare. It was signed into law by LBJ. A Medicare Supplement is a supplementary insurance to Medicare that pays for the out of pocket fees that Medicare doesn't pay for. Medicare is just like any other insurance policy in this regard (actually its far more generous than most insurance policies today are). However, because your healthcare utilization is much higher in retirement than it is when you are younger, many beneficiaries carry a supplement to pay for their out of pocket expenses.

Let's say we didn't have Medicare. And you got to keep the 1.4% or so of your salary that went to the Medicare program. So you could invest that, just save it, whatever you wanted. You turn 65, what do you think your health insurance premiums on the private market would be?

At 65, assuming you were fairly healthy, you would be looking at around 25k a year. By the time you were 70, your risk to an insurer would mean your health insurance premiums would be around 35k a year. By age 75, they would be over 50k a year, by age 80, they would easily be over 80k a year due to the extremely high risk you would pose the insurers. A 70 year old to a health insurer is the same kind of risk a guy with 5 DUIs is to an Auto Insurer. Now the only way an insurer could lower your premiums would be if they were allowed to have an annual cap for what they could be out should you get sick.

Are you saying that had the government allowed you to keep your 1.4% of taxes that went into the Medicare program, you could have saved enough money to be totally self sufficient, to pay for your own subsidized health coverage in the private market once you hit retirement?

My money paid for Medicare premiums for my use when I retired. that was the purpose of Medicare, sorry but it isn't my obligation to pay for your insurance.
 
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