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Trump Admin No Longer Protecting Journalists Overseas

jpn said:
This was reported in September, but I just learned about it. I find it amazing.

During an address at Brown University, AG Sulzberger, the NYT publisher, related what happened when a Times journalist was endangered by the Egyptian government.



You can see his address at this link.

I believe a free press is an essential ingredient in any functioning democracy. Attacking it is the work of despots.

p.s. 18 months later another NYT reporter arrived in Egypt. He was detained and deported in apparent retaliation for exposing information that was embarrassing to the Egyptian government. When the NYT protested the move, a senior official at the US embassy in Cairo said, "what did you expect would happen? His reporting made the government look bad."
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Wait...the NYT hires an Irish guy...and someone expects the US government to save the guy?

The NYT people did the right thing...went to the Irish government for help. The reporter is one of their citizens, after all.
 
PirateMk1 said:
It IS NOT the job of the United States government to protect reporters overseas. It IS the job the United States government to preserve the freedom of the press here in the US.
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Amazing, absolutely amazing how a reporter is suddenly no longer regarded as an American citizen.

Well then I guess you won't mind getting all your news about Russia directly from the Russian press, all your news about Iran from Iranian press and all your news about North Korea from the North Korean press.

Yaaaaayyy, rope + three + journalist!!
You don't deserve to be well informed.

 
PirateMk1 said:
It IS NOT the job of the United States government to protect reporters overseas. It IS the job the United States government to preserve the freedom of the press here in the US.
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LOL It is the job of the US Govt. to protect all Americans both here and abroad. Where do you get such screwy ideas?
 
Lovebug said:
Something just froze over because I happen to agree with you. I am wondering though if freedom of the press is subject to interpretation. Is reporting monitored and/or censored in some nations?
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I've been in some Mexican states where journalists are more afraid of politicians murdering them than the narcos.

Anyone who says American journalist and those working for our press shouldn't be protected above all others overseas is a traitor to the idea of free speech.

Journalists reporting abroad should be offered the same protections as people working on construction projects or killing terrorists. Their contribution to policymaking and political analysis is unquantifiable.


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Hatuey said:
I've been in some Mexican states where journalists are more afraid of politicians murdering them than the narcos.

Anyone who says American journalist and those working for our press shouldn't be protected above all others overseas is a traitor to the idea of free speech.

Journalists reporting abroad should be offered the same protections as people working on construction projects or killing terrorists. Their contribution to policymaking and political analysis is unquantifiable.


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I guess some are questioning why the US should have come to his aid, although he is employed by the NYT, he is an Irish citizen.
I just found Walsh's account of the story, have only glanced at it.
 
Lovebug said:
I guess some are questioning why the US should have come to his aid, although he is employed by the NYT, he is an Irish citizen.
I just found Walsh's account of the story, have only glanced at it.
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I think he was making a mountain outta molehill.
 
Redbeard said:
I think he was making a mountain outta molehill.
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It seems that he expected the US embassy to help him out. I suspect that he should have called his own right away, but I am not sure what the standards are.
It seems his angst was for good reason. From my link
The New York Times Magazine had earlier published my article about the death of Giulio Regeni, an Italian student whose body had been found in Cairo with torture marks. The article cited American officials who linked the killing to Egypt’s security services.
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Rexedgar said:
What century are you living in?


WTF is a wheel-barrel?

Spell-check, amirite?
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I googled. What do you want from me? I'm old so the noggin ain't quite right.

There's a saying I learned from friends about trying to help people. "You can't push a wheel barrel with no wheel."
 
Lovebug said:
It seems that he expected the US embassy to help him out. I suspect that he should have called his own right away, but I am not sure what the standards are.
It seems his angst was for good reason. From my link
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The procedure is to contact your own Embassy first.
 
ecofarm said:
I googled. What do you want from me? I'm old so the noggin ain't quite right.

There's a saying I learned from friends about trying to help people. "You can't push a wheel barrel with no wheel."
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Ok, Gen Y’er
 
ecofarm said:
Cowardly nationalist garbage. All men are created equal. All men have rights to life, expression and self defense. All men should enjoy the protections afforded in our Constitution. That's called patriotism and it's nothing like nationalism.

Patriotism and nationalism, in the case of the US, are mutually exclusive. The former inclusive and the latter exclusive. Being exclusive, nationalists cannot honestly claim the ideals of this nation.
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You just spouted so much bull**** you need a movement. It is NOT our place to be imposing our ideals and will on others as that is antithetical to our own ideals.
 
jpn said:
It sounds like you're saying all we should care about is domestic news. Without foreign correspondents, how are supposed to know what's going on in the world? How would we know that the leader of Egypt, who our president supports, is a corrupt dictator? How do we, as citizens, evaluate our foreign policy if we don't know what's going on?
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Those are the risks those reporters take. They are sovereign nations that means they do as they please.
 
PirateMk1 said:
You just spouted so much bull**** you need a movement. It is NOT our place to be imposing our ideals and will on others as that is antithetical to our own ideals.
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Our ideals do not include regime rule.
 
Lovebug said:
The Story Behind the Times Correspondent Who Faced Arrest in Cairo - The New York Times
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Thanks for finding this. The first paragraph linked to a NYT op-ed by the publisher who delivered the address to Brown in the OP. He notes that more than 50 prime ministers, presidents and other government leaders across five continents have used the term “fake news” to justify varying levels of anti-press activity.

President Trump is no longer content to delegitimize accurate reporting as “fake news.” Now, he has taken to demonizing reporters themselves, calling them “the true enemy of the people” and even accusing them of treason. With these phrases, he has not just inspired autocratic rulers around the world, he has also borrowed from them.

The phrase “enemy of the people” has a particularly brutal history. It was used to justify mass executions during the French Revolution and the Third Reich. And it was used by Lenin and Stalin to justify the systematic murder of Soviet dissidents.

The treason charge is perhaps the most serious a commander in chief can make. By threatening to prosecute journalists for invented crimes against their country, President Trump gives repressive leaders implicit license to do the same.

In the United States, the Constitution, the rule of law and a still-robust news media act as a constraint. But abroad, foreign leaders can silence journalists with alarming effectiveness.
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And here is, in my opinion, the bottom line:

"But when the president decries “fake news,” he’s not interested in actual mistakes. He’s trying to delegitimize real news, dismissing factual and fair reporting as politically motivated fabrications. So when The Times reveals his family’s fraudulent financial practices, when The Wall Street Journal reveals hush money paid to a porn star, when The Washington Post reveals his personal foundation’s self-dealing, he can sidestep accountability by simply dismissing the reports as “fake news.”
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Amazing, absolutely amazing how a reporter is suddenly no longer regarded as an American citizen.

Well then I guess you won't mind getting all your news about Russia directly from the Russian press, all your news about Iran from Iranian press and all your news about North Korea from the North Korean press.

Yaaaaayyy, rope + three + journalist!!
You don't deserve to be well informed.

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If they are not being murdered or jailed wili nily,I dont care what another country does. Being told what and how they may report in another country, is the risk a reporter takes when they leave the protective confines of the US.
 
iguanaman said:
LOL It is the job of the US Govt. to protect all Americans both here and abroad. Where do you get such screwy ideas?
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To protect their lives, not their livelihoods, and when in Rome must obey the laws of Rome.
 
What does someone employed by the New York Times have to do with the press? It's just a corporate PR publication of the super rich.
 
Most countries do not allow slinging out attacks against the government. But, then, in most countries their press and media don't have the open goal of destroying the government, the economy and the country.
 
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